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Chunk posted:There is a little bit to this in that one of Dany's prophecies is revealing the lie about a blue eyed king with a red sword. Now that's probably Stannis (which goes to show he's not dead by Ramsay's hand), but oh man it would be awesome if that meant Jon was a wight king (don't they have blue eyes?) Nah Stannis is one dead mother fucker. Blue eyes and red sword is Brienne, who becomes Azor Ahai post-killing Jaime/Stoneheart/both. And then proceeds to kill the dragons and knock down the wall and continue looking for Sansa up in wildling territory or Essos.
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Klungar posted:Are the "Winds of Winter" excerpts spoilers in this thread? Typically The Bad Thread doesn't spoil preview chapters, but I'm honestly not sure whether anyone cares anymore after ADWD. I know I don't.
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May 15, 2012 03:36
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But you don't get it, man, it's totally empowering to women for the lead woman in this series to be an ineffectual moron whom the vast majority of people even aware of her existance despise. If it was Viserys, how would GRRM beat off?
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May 15, 2012 03:37
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Martin Van Buren posted:Nah Stannis is one dead mother fucker. I invite you to read the aforementioned Winds of Winter chapter posted in GURMS blog.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:But you don't get it, man, it's totally empowering to women for the lead woman in this series to be an ineffectual moron whom the vast majority of people even aware of her existance despise. If it was Viserys, how would GRRM beat off? Women's priorities, in order: Babies, ~Cute boys~, ruining men's spots
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May 15, 2012 03:40
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With any other author that raven discussion in the Theon sample chapter would be an obvious chekhov's gun setup but knowing GRRM he probably just wanted to write about ravens.
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May 15, 2012 03:42
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El Hefe posted:I invite you to read the aforementioned Winds of Winter chapter posted in GURMS blog. Not canon. Chapter had no mention of oral rape of a minor or nipple removal.
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May 15, 2012 03:42
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SammyWhereAreYou posted:Well, I gotta give the Institute for Gifted and Talented Goons thread one thing: they managed to catch on right away that the burned kids weren't Bran and Rickon but the orphan kids. I tried to hint to my husband that it was a fakeout ("where are Hodor and Osha though?" What about the orphan kids they were going to visit in the previous scene?") and he didn't catch on at all. Did I really somehow manage to marry someone dumber than the average goon or is he actually smarter than all of us because he doesn't care enough about this stupid fantasy series to pay very close attention to it? I watch each week with 3 non-book readers, and while none of them saw Renly's death coming, I was surprised when there was zero belief on their parts that those kids were Bran and Rickon. I had gotten myself all excited about bathing in their tears when they thought Theon had really killed the kids, but not a single one of them bought it for even a second. The camera hadn't even cut away from the bodies when one of them said "Oh come on, it's not like we'd really think those were the Stark kids." You can temper your disappointment over your husband's credulousness with the fact that you at least got to experience him being upset over the deaths. I was totally denied and it made me sad.
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empty sea posted:Speaking of Stannis, I think the show is portraying his character as actually buying into all that Azor Ahai poo poo. I always thought in the books Stannis was just going with what would give him the throne, come hell or red bitches. I think it's less that he buys into the myth and religion, and more that he's aware that Melisandre has actual demonstrable powers that no normal person could wield. He might not worship R'holler, but he has a healthy respect for the power that he seems to give to his followers. It's not like the Seven were doing anything for him.
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May 15, 2012 03:44
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Mnemosyne posted:I watch each week with 3 non-book readers, and while none of them saw Renly's death coming, I was surprised when there was zero belief on their parts that those kids were Bran and Rickon. I had gotten myself all excited about bathing in their tears when they thought Theon had really killed the kids, but not a single one of them bought it for even a second. The camera hadn't even cut away from the bodies when one of them said "Oh come on, it's not like we'd really think those were the Stark kids." Yeah it was awfully done by HBO.
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Maarak posted:I think it's less that he buys into the myth and religion, and more that he's aware that Melisandre has actual demonstrable powers that no normal person could wield. He might not worship R'holler, but he has a healthy respect for the power that he seems to give to his followers. It's not like the Seven were doing anything for him. I don't know. The crazy table-loving he gave her kind of made me think he bought into it. I know it's hard to act out grinding his teeth and all, but Stannis is way too emotional. I never saw Stannis as religious in any way. In fact, I pretty much got the vibe from everyone worshiping the Seven that they were just mouthing along. Ned Stark was probably the most religious person in the books, IMO. And we didn't get the loving peach. "Is he a ham?" was awesome but would've been far more awesome if he ate a peach while laying down that sweet burn, HBO, just sayin'.
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May 15, 2012 03:55
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I don't think I like or dislike HBO since they did things great and terrible. Let's make a list: Pros: Ned Stark total badass King Robert Syrio Cat Littlefinger Mormont Ygritte total babe/great actress I guess literally every other casting than Jon Snow is great Greyjoy subplot totally  Cons: Jon Snow Ros Cutting Jojen and Meera Reed Cutting flashbacks, memories, fantasies
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May 15, 2012 03:56
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empty sea posted:Ned Stark was probably the most religious person in the books, IMO. I think you forgot crazy-rear end Lancel.
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May 15, 2012 03:57
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Lancel hasn't gone crazy yet. And anyway, who ever gave a gently caress what Lancel thought? E: My god. After watching the whole Tywin and Arya scene, am I the only one that thinks if Arya had been older they would have been some badass unstoppable force across Westeros? Both of them stone-cold killers. empty sea fucked around with this message at 04:15 on May 15, 2012 |
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May 15, 2012 04:03
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Dead Man Posting posted:I don't think I like or dislike HBO since they did things great and terrible. Littlefinger has been completely screwed over this season, as all of his plans are just laid bare and he makes his desires known to just about everyone ever. He's definitely a con in this season.
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May 15, 2012 04:28
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Dead Man Posting posted:I don't think I like or dislike HBO since they did things great and terrible. I think the PRO column we should give HBO credit for keeping lots of not-really-necessary Dolorous Edd lines. Since they're so pressed for time, it would have been really easy to cut him entirely. I believe the earlier discussion about how it's unfair to compare anyone else to Hodor because he's clearly superior to everyone else is incorrect. Dolorous Edd is obviously the greatest character in the books. In the Cons column, we might want to put Peter Dinklage's accent. Though I guess it doesn't bother everyone. EDIT: I don't think Littlefinger can be in the Pro column either. Either the way they've written him is weird, or the way he's being played is weird. Mnemosyne fucked around with this message at 05:17 on May 15, 2012 |
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May 15, 2012 05:13
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empty sea posted:I don't know. The crazy table-loving he gave her kind of made me think he bought into it. I know it's hard to act out grinding his teeth and all, but Stannis is way too emotional. I never saw Stannis as religious in any way. In fact, I pretty much got the vibe from everyone worshiping the Seven that they were just mouthing along. Ned Stark was probably the most religious person in the books, IMO. The table loving was more about his desire for a son, mixed with Melisandre lusting after him for months, and the demands of preparing for war. He finally gives up resisting her, and his standing only improves as a result. He's no wild eyed fanatic, but this is the first religion that's ever helped him in a concrete way. As far as emotional, I remember him show emotion all the time in the books, it's only his decision making that is cold.
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Soothing Vapors posted:Jaime doesnt stop being a douche until he loses his hand That's all right, he also grows a beard, so it's all even.
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May 15, 2012 05:23
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A beard and no hand is worth two hands on Brienne's bush.
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holy poo poo...l cant believe Jaime killed Gendry last episode, this show is loving nuts! hope brienne kills that honorless sack of crap for insulting her like that!!
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May 15, 2012 05:35
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Lars Blitzer posted:That's all right, he also grows a beard, so it's all even. Maybe season 3 of GoT will feature a bearded That should give them the cast synergy to make it all the way to a lackluster season 7.
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May 15, 2012 05:39
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I found it hilarious that Jaime was already fixating on Brienne immediately after meeting her. I guess it's not that huge of a leap, if Cersei wants to gently caress a male version of herself, why wouldn't Jaime want the same? Cersei sees all the bad qualities of Jaime and thinks they are awesome and also that she could make them more awesome if only she had a penis. Jaime sees all his flaws and recognizes them, making him a jaded motherfucker. Brienne may not be pretty like he is, but otherwise she's the female version of everything Jaime Lannister was supposed to represent and I think he would love to realistically be--loyal, honorable and absolutely kickass with a sword. Brienne is even a cast-out member of a King's Guard charged with killing her former King. I am so looking forward to awkward boners and not just from Jon Snow.
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May 15, 2012 05:52
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empty sea posted:I found it hilarious that Jaime was already fixating on Brienne immediately after meeting her. I guess it's not that huge of a leap, if Cersei wants to gently caress a male version of herself, why wouldn't Jaime want the same? Cersei sees all the bad qualities of Jaime and thinks they are awesome and also that she could make them more awesome if only she had a penis. Jaime sees all his flaws and recognizes them, making him a jaded motherfucker. Jon's was just awkward because it wasn't from Ygritte... he was just dreaming of Edd.
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empty sea posted:Brienne may not be pretty like he is, but otherwise she's the female version of everything Jaime Lannister was supposed to represent and I think he would love to realistically be--loyal, honorable and absolutely kickass with a sword. Brienne is even a cast-out member of a King's Guard charged with killing her former King. Does he even know that about her though? I think Brienne ended up making a name for herself after Jaime was already imprisoned. There's nothing to indicate to him that she's loyal, honorable, or good with a sword –- to him, she's just an ugly woman wearing armor like a man.
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Azure_Horizon posted:Littlefinger has been completely screwed over this season, as all of his plans are just laid bare and he makes his desires known to just about everyone ever. He's definitely a con in this season. I'm still hoping they intentionally have him being unsmooth and kind of a bungler this season so it makes his Joffrey-killing and Sansa-abducting seem more impressive. Also where the gently caress is Dontos 
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May 15, 2012 05:58
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Azure_Horizon posted:Littlefinger has been completely screwed over this season, as all of his plans are just laid bare and he makes his desires known to just about everyone ever. He's definitely a con in this season. Eh, yes and no. I think he's just setting things up for the Three Queens. The only time he was maybe too revealing was in his talks with Margaery, but that's because they're really, really obviously planning to cut the Queen of Thorns out and have Margaery absorb her role in the story, which is a fantastic decision.
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May 15, 2012 06:38
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Scuzzywuffit posted:Does he even know that about her though? I think Brienne ended up making a name for herself after Jaime was already imprisoned. There's nothing to indicate to him that she's loyal, honorable, or good with a sword –- to him, she's just an ugly woman wearing armor like a man. Well, I doubt Lady Stark would run with anyone who wasn't up to the Stark standards of unrealistic crap. He doesn't know about Brienne yet, but he will. No awkward boners until later.
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Sophia posted:Women's priorities, in order: Babies, ~Cute boys~, ruining men's spots Men's priorities, in order: Mah Legacy, ~hot girls~, killing things Azure_Horizon posted:Littlefinger has been completely screwed over this season, as all of his plans are just laid bare and he makes his desires known to just about everyone ever. He's definitely a con in this season. What do you mean, "this" season? Last season he spilled everything to a prostitute he had just hired. Hedrigall posted:A beard and no hand is worth two hands on Brienne's bush. That is all.
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Mnemosyne posted:In the Cons column, we might want to put Peter Dinklage's accent. Though I guess it doesn't bother everyone. It's bad, but I am so conditioned to expect bad from ASOIAF at this point that it doesn't bother me. Also he's such a badass on the show that it's easily forgivable. Just smack Joffrey around a bit and all is well.
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Dinklage could just drop the accent all together, no one would notice or care. If terrible actress Halle Berry could suddenly make Storm not-African anymore and get away with it, why can't Emmy-winning actor Peter Dinklage?
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Dinklage was hammy as gently caress for the first couple of episodes. He's gotten better since.
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Mnemosyne posted:EDIT: I don't think Littlefinger can be in the Pro column either. Either the way they've written him is weird, or the way he's being played is weird. Yeah, I've never liked Littlefinger and I can't quite put my finger on why. The casting is perfect, but something is just off.
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It's both. Bookfinger is always joking, always happy with the way things are, always at ease. Showfinger is wound up tighter than Ned Stark was. Even his smile is forced. Also, he's too clearly obsessed with power. Look at how Varys always found him in the first season, staring at the Iron Throne while fantasizing about what he'd do on it. I mean, really? Really? How the hell does he manage to be overlooked in the show? In the books he gets away with everything because he seems harmless, while in the show even Ned could figure out he was a rat.
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Junkenstein posted:Yeah, I've never liked Littlefinger and I can't quite put my finger on why. The casting is perfect, but something is just off. Could it be because he's a creepy, shady scheming motherfucker with ulterior motives?
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IRQ posted:Watching last night's episode on my DVR right now, why are they making Tywin so totally sympathetic? I don't get it. But more Arya is more Arya so ok. Maybe HBO has a deal where they have their version of how the books play out, and as the gurm does not write they have liberty to simply change more to their version of the story. Ultimately resulting in HBO finishing the series their way. They full well gurm will not live to complete another book so they may as well start putting things in the order they want. /ramble...
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FrozenVent posted:Could it be because he's a creepy, shady scheming motherfucker with ulterior motives? As mentioned above, Showfinger's motives are anything but ulterior. I think him being so wound up in the show is a good point as well. In the books, he's so relaxed and confident everything will go exactly to plan, and they do. It feels like he could snap at any moment on the show.
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May 15, 2012 14:31
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FrozenVent posted:Could it be because he's a creepy, shady scheming motherfucker with ulterior motives? I was watching the bonus interviews in the Season 1 blu-ray and when interviewed every actor seemed natural and different from their character but Littlefinger's actor looked like a HUGE creep, the way he talked and looked and the camera, it was disturbing.
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Hey now Carcetti might not be the most effective politician but he's doing his best. Creepy, shady scheming motherfucker is a little harsh.
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whowhatwhere posted:It's both. Bookfinger is always joking, always happy with the way things are, always at ease. Showfinger is wound up tighter than Ned Stark was. Even his smile is forced. I completely agree with this. Have you listened to the audiobook voiced by Roy Dotrice? His Littlefinger is spot on, in my opinion. He always sounds a bit bored, and is the first one to crack a quip.
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Actually, did I say tighter than Ned Stark? I should have said tighter than Stannis. STANNIS is more at-ease than Littlefinger.
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