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Abugadu posted:You'd be amazed at the disparity in how viciously the rich fight child support compared to the poor and middle class. I would assume that is because they can afford to
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entris posted:No one has ever asked about my journal experience except when they were clearly running out of things to ask. I have gotten a lot more questions about my interest in martial arts and/or japanese haiku. Weren't you on GJLE? Everyone on GJLE publishes a note as a 2L, which is helpful for the resume.
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I was on a secondary journal and 2L it is a ton of work because we had to write something each semester. 3L is not bad at all unless you want to be on the executive board.
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May 15, 2012 03:17
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Couldn't disagree more with some of the recent SA advice. Never, ever say no. Someone is waiting if you say no. That person will be hired. Will you? Maybe. But maybe not. I know smart, successful people disagree, but I stand behind this advice.
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May 15, 2012 03:41
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Agree with FS. If you aren't taking it, someone else is. You've only got so long in law school to put yourself in the best place for the rest of your career. Don't let it drift by. PS: don't forget university is a pretty good time as well, though
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May 15, 2012 04:00
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nm posted:I would assume that is because they can afford to That's what I would have thought too, but this happens regardless of whether they hire an attorney or not. Also, the openbook link popped up one of our custodial parents. At least she wasn't complaining.
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May 15, 2012 04:44
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Draile posted:Weren't you on GJLE? Everyone on GJLE publishes a note as a 2L, which is helpful for the resume. Yeah, pretty much every interview I've had, I've gotten asked about my GJLE note. It's not a bad thing to have on the resume and to talk about because while *you* know everyone gets published, that's not really common knowledge outside of GULC.
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Feces Starship posted:Couldn't disagree more with some of the recent SA advice. Never, ever say no. Someone is waiting if you say no. That person will be hired. Will you? Maybe. But maybe not. Besides, the idea that someone is watching how earnest you are and how many hours you bill is completely wrong and misunderstands how firms operate and how they hire. You're not being judged on how many assignments you take on. You're being judged on doing a good job / not loving up, and on people liking you. Taking on every bullshit research assignment some 2nd year associate can give out isn't going to make anyone think any more of you.
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Why can't I find a relatively recent Australian law journal article relating to same sex marriage/civil unions what is wrong with me there must be hundred of them oh god I am doing it wrong this is terrifying my assignment is due tonight I'm a terrible student. E: nm should've used AGIS Plus Text from the beginning 
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May 15, 2012 07:41
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Draile posted:Weren't you on GJLE? Everyone on GJLE publishes a note as a 2L, which is helpful for the resume. I was on the gender and law journal - I was one of two straight dudes, the rest of the journal staff was women and gay dudes. My required note, which is now on Lexis (and which has been cited! ha!) ((by people disagreeing with my note and basically calling me an idiot  )), focused on the intersection of LGBT folks and certain family law issues. It's a terribly written note on a semi-controversial topic that will haunt me if I try to get into politics. I took it off my resume as soon as I could, but I never got asked about it anyway. So that's another thing: if you are going to write a note that gets published on Westlaw or Nexus, make drat sure you can live with the note attached to you forever. If you write on a controversial topic, or if you take a radical position, that will be attached to you forever.
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May 15, 2012 14:02
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Feces Starship posted:Couldn't disagree more with some of the recent SA advice. Never, ever say no. Someone is waiting if you say no. That person will be hired. Will you? Maybe. But maybe not. As Ani pointed out, the prior advice is targeted to summer associates. For normal associates, I agree with you. You take on work when it's handed to you, and you work more hours to get stuff pushed through (if you have to). For one thing, you don't know if you will have the same amount of work next month, so you need to get billables in the bank whenever you can. For another, you want to be a person who is always accessible and responsive. In my opinion, the only time that it is acceptable to turn down work is when you have a series of time-sensitive projects that will take precedence over the offered work, and the offered work is also time-sensitive. Then you say to the partner/senior associate "I can take it, but I have X/Y/Z on my plate that have to be done by [Tomorrow/End of Week/etc] so I won't be able to get to your project until [the future]." If you use this line sparingly, then people will respect the boundary. If you constantly use this line, people will wonder about your time management skills.
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May 15, 2012 14:06
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Ani posted:The guy who overburdens himself and misses a deadline gets fired. The guy who bills fewer hours that are written off anyway gets hired. This isn't about slacking for its own sake, it's about not making big mistakes that will get you noticed in a bad way. As a summer associate, you are not going to do anything that someone will say "Oh, that Feces Starship, he did a great job finding that critical case." But, depending on what you gently caress up, someone might say "loving Feces Starship, he said he'd send changes to the client on Friday, and he didn't." You want to avoid that at all costs, and that's why we're suggesting you not take on too much work. Also there's a difference between not refusing work and seeking more out. If the partner calls and says he needs something done and love you so much he wants you to do it, it's probably a good idea to do it. But don't actively seek out work to make yourself busy all the time: don't think you're going to impress people by doing twice the work of the next guy. If you try that, you're risking getting yourself in a crunch where you turn in something sub-par, and theres no real upside.
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May 15, 2012 14:32
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I'm considering law school for energy/natural resources law- I have an undergraduate degree in geology, and would really rather be on the legal end of energy than the production end. Any advice for applying/looking at schools? Is it even worth it?
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purpleandgold posted:I'm considering law school for energy/natural resources law- I have an undergraduate degree in geology, and would really rather be on the legal end of energy than the production end. Any advice for applying/looking at schools? Is it even worth it? There seems to be a lot of work right now in oil and gas in North Dakota. Can you handle living in North Dakota?
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May 15, 2012 19:32
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Possibly. I'd rather be in Oklahoma or Texas, but stable employment can make me overlook a lot of things...
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evilweasel posted:Also there's a difference between not refusing work and seeking more out. If the partner calls and says he needs something done and love you so much he wants you to do it, it's probably a good idea to do it. But don't actively seek out work to make yourself busy all the time: don't think you're going to impress people by doing twice the work of the next guy. If you try that, you're risking getting yourself in a crunch where you turn in something sub-par, and theres no real upside. This is the right answer. We have non-offered summer associates because they said no to work too often.
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May 15, 2012 19:46
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purpleandgold posted:Possibly. I'd rather be in Oklahoma or Texas, but stable employment can make me overlook a lot of things... Excepting the weather, I'd take Fargo over anywhere in those states except austin. Fargo's a nice small city.
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purpleandgold posted:I'm considering law school for energy/natural resources law- I have an undergraduate degree in geology, and would really rather be on the legal end of energy than the production end. Any advice for applying/looking at schools? Is it even worth it? http://www.chambersandpartners.com/USA/Editorial/42635 Go to whatever school and get whatever grades that will get you into one of these law firms.
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May 15, 2012 20:44
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yadayadayada posted:http://www.chambersandpartners.com/USA/Editorial/42635 Oh look, Dewey is in Band 1 for a lot of those areas. I wonder what law school / gpa combo will get him in there...
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The summer associates at my firm are apparently the most boring people on the planet. Here are their personal interests, as listed on their bios:quote:Movies, parks, wine, baseball (Pirates Fan) quote:Reading, football, golf quote:Reading, sailing, sports, travel quote:Reading, sports, movies quote:Running, road races, traveling, spending time with friends and family Movies? Reading? Running? Sports? Spending time with friends and family??? WTF do career services people no longer warn people about putting such vague and stupid poo poo on their resumes?? here is a tip, law students: if you like reading a particular genre of book, and it's an interesting icebreaker, list that. Otherwise, don't put "reading" as an interest because it makes you look incredibly stupid. Same goes for "travel" - if you have a real connection with a particular part of the world, that you regularly visit and/or read about, list that (maybe), but never put down that you "like to travel" because that doesn't tell anyone anything about you. You should never, ever put "movies" as an interest because that is one of the most meaningless interests to have. Everyone likes movies. If you have a hard-on for film noir from the 1940s through 1950s, list that. If you like a similarly well-defined and unusual genre of movies, list it. I think listing "sports", "football", and "baseball" is similarly retarded. Those three things are so mainstream that they do not convey anything meaningful. Sailing and golf are, I suppose, more interesting - but I probably wouldn't mention golf. ugh kids these days
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entris posted:ugh kids these days
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Wanna hang out with road racing dude (if that means cars, not something else) and maybe sailing guy (esp if rich). Who puts interests sections on resumes? I probably should have (auto racing and bicycled across america) but that seemed dumb. We have a former NFL player applying for an unpaid clerkship. He didn't need to put "interest: Football" on his resume. Just put [Nfl team] in his work history.
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entris posted:Movies? Reading? Running? Sports? Spending time with friends and family??? Seriously. I've been on the other side of the table in my own job (it's much of my job, actually). One of the things I've learned is to be yourself and be specific about it. You run the risk of turning people off but if you turn them off with yourself than you are going to have to be someone else if you work there and that's usually not worth it. Additionally, if you are yourself and specific to yourself then you are going to hook more people than if you're just another bland offensiveless resume in a sea of bland offensiveless resumes.
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entris posted:The summer associates at my firm are apparently the most boring people on the planet. Here are their personal interests, as listed on their bios: How do I put "I play a shitton of rugby" on my resume and make it stand out?
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:How do I put "I play a shitton of rugby" on my resume and make it stand out? Instead of reading, sports and travel just be honest and put "Beer, titties, chicken wings" on your resume as interests instead. Especially if you graduate law school and have to apply to be a cook at hooter's.
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evilweasel posted:Also there's a difference between not refusing work and seeking more out. If the partner calls and says he needs something done and love you so much he wants you to do it, it's probably a good idea to do it. But don't actively seek out work to make yourself busy all the time: don't think you're going to impress people by doing twice the work of the next guy. If you try that, you're risking getting yourself in a crunch where you turn in something sub-par, and theres no real upside.
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I write "long distance running." I also list the specific kind of coaching, etc I've done under the sports I play, as well as particular mountains I've climbed. I know that last one seems weird, but it has been a surprising conversation starter just because people often try to climb ALL THE THINGS in ADK - at least in the upstate NY area. Running pretty much consumes the majority of my free time these days and I've no idea how else to elaborate outside of adding "I WORK OUT SO MUCH." EDIT: What's wrong with golf, out of curiosity? I played competitively, was an instructor, worked in golf retail, and still play casually so it's on my resume... Solid Lizzie fucked around with this message at 04:55 on May 16, 2012 |
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Solid Lizzie posted:EDIT: What's wrong with golf, out of curiosity? I played competitively, was an instructor, worked in golf retail, and still play casually so it's on my resume... Do you include your handicap?
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Zarkov Cortez posted:Do you include your handicap? EDIT: gently caress it. I'm just gonna run an ultramarathon between now and August or something epic and put that on there. It's just weird that it's considered not much of a conversation starter since I almost always can peg another runner and have an enjoyable conversation, easily. Same with golf. Solid Lizzie fucked around with this message at 05:36 on May 16, 2012 |
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I think putting things like golf and other sports are fine, it's the ones like 'reading' that would make me roll my eyes. Oh really, you're a lawyer, and you read things. I'd also lump 'running' or 'going to the gym' into that, unless you can put 'marathon running' or 'started my own gym', something that can actually start a conversation. Baruch Obamawitz posted:How do I put "I play a shitton of rugby" on my resume and make it stand out? "Zulu Warrior"
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Necromancy. I'm putting necromancy. I typically run half marathon distances and more but it seems like lying if I put that down since I do it independently. Hence, "long distance."
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:How do I put "I play a shitton of rugby" on my resume and make it stand out?
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:How do I put "I play a shitton of rugby" on my resume and make it stand out?
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nm posted:"Missing 2/3 of an ear." Suffering from cauliflower ear
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Is it even possible to get a decent gig after 3L ends but before admission to a bar?
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sigmachiev posted:Is it even possible to get a decent gig after 3L ends but before admission to a bar? Yes, as long as you took NY and admission takes months after you know you passed.
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Depends on your definition of decent.... Document review is what most of my class did for the 6 months. It pays OK, but has no other redeeming qualities other than it exists and it pays.
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This interest thing has me curious. If you were a legitimate professional and have six figure wins, are you allowed to put "poker" on there? 
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Homebrewing is a good one to list, people seem interested in it.
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