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i like tacos posted:EMH is doing such a good job in this invasion story line compared to the YJ version. I wish more people watched EMH. YJ just seems like a complete mess. It took them pretty much an entire season to work out the cast dynamics and then that's all blown up for a five year time skip. I wonder how much the time skip can be blamed on Weisman and the Vietti and how much can be blamed on it being a "suggestion" from Warner Bros. so the game could tie into the show and by having it fill in the gap (I believe it's supposed to take place during the five year period anyway) and there'd be more reason to buy it.
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May 14, 2012 22:43
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Suben posted:YJ just seems like a complete mess. It took them pretty much an entire season to work out the cast dynamics and then that's all blown up for a five year time skip. I wonder how much the time skip can be blamed on Weisman and the Vietti and how much can be blamed on it being a "suggestion" from Warner Bros. so the game could tie into the show and by having it fill in the gap (I believe it's supposed to take place during the five year period anyway) and there'd be more reason to buy it. I will give credit to the time skip that at least it doesn't seem like the Connor/Megan breakup is Superboy's fault. That I'm happy about because it'd be too drat cliche. I am definitely into Megan pretty much being a bitch with her powers who seems to have no respect for life. Getting more and more into EMH. Every time I read something about it being canceled I just want to go sucker punch every exec at Disney.
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May 14, 2012 22:58
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Liar posted:I will give credit to the time skip that at least it doesn't seem like the Connor/Megan breakup is Superboy's fault. That I'm happy about because it'd be too drat cliche. I am definitely into Megan pretty much being a bitch with her powers who seems to have no respect for life. Those two statements seem kind of at odds. EMH is good, clean Marvel Age-y adventure stories, with the best of what came later for flavour and scope. YJ seems like everything people hate about modern DC, taking light, optimistic characters and settings and making them DARK and GRITTY and REALISTIC. Ms Martian once battled her own darker nature with psychic kittens. I don't think you need to make that character your amoral lobotomy machine.
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May 15, 2012 00:43
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Ms. Martian did very, very little before YJ. I think someone pointed out that she'd yet to even appear in the same panel with Martian Manhunter in any comic issues when the series was first announced.
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May 15, 2012 00:58
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Cliff Racer posted:Ms. Martian did very, very little before YJ. Uh, this is really incorrect. Miss Martian has been around since 2006 and was used in Teen Titans. YJ premiered 2010. She's actually done LESS since the series started.
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May 15, 2012 01:27
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Gaz-L posted:Those two statements seem kind of at odds. EMH is good, clean Marvel Age-y adventure stories, with the best of what came later for flavour and scope. YJ seems like everything people hate about modern DC, taking light, optimistic characters and settings and making them DARK and GRITTY and REALISTIC. Ms Martian once battled her own darker nature with psychic kittens. I don't think you need to make that character your amoral lobotomy machine.
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May 15, 2012 01:35
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Codependent Poster posted:Uh, this is really incorrect. Miss Martian has been around since 2006 and was used in Teen Titans. YJ premiered 2010. She's actually done LESS since the series started. Existing in one comic for three or four years is not a lot. Heck I don't think she was even in the Teen Titans all that time, though I must admit to not having read Teen Titans back then because of quality issues. I remember a lot of people scratched their heads when she was announced on the team though.
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May 15, 2012 01:44
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Gaz-L posted:Those two statements seem kind of at odds. EMH is good, clean Marvel Age-y adventure stories, with the best of what came later for flavour and scope. YJ seems like everything people hate about modern DC, taking light, optimistic characters and settings and making them DARK and GRITTY and REALISTIC. Ms Martian once battled her own darker nature with psychic kittens. I don't think you need to make that character your amoral lobotomy machine. If they really wanted to mindfuck the audience, they could suggest that Miss Martian is a light, optimistic character... for a white martian. She's a literal alien after all, why should she have identical moral values to humans? Maybe "regular" white martians drop psychic bombs the same way our heroes throw punches and she's a naive softie to them, and that's why she came to Earth.
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May 15, 2012 08:26
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The lobotomy thing is interesting, because I remember several people being really mad about the similar end to the 'hyperclan' arc in Morrison's JLA days. That said, I do not watch Young Justice, so maybe I'm missing a specific piece of context here.
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May 15, 2012 08:49
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Dan Didio posted:The lobotomy thing is interesting, because I remember several people being really mad about the similar end to the 'hyperclan' arc in Morrison's JLA days. It's a little different here. Once in the first season, Miss Martian was psychically assaulted by a villain and had six months of memories temporarily erased (along with the rest of the team), and in the rematch barely defeated the villain with the help of one of her teammates. Later in the season, after she'd learned a bit more about her own abilities, she went mano-y-mano with him and ended up reducing him to a drooling vegetable. That was kinda brutal, but understandable as a combination of a personal vendetta and her powers getting out of hand in the heat of the moment. Then in the second season she did it again, except this time it definitely wasn't an accident, and it wasn't a do-or-die struggle against a powerful psychic foe. She just mind-crushed an alien general seemingly because she could, to remove him from the picture without straight up killing him. It's implied that it wasn't the first time she did it so casually, and also that she may not be fully aware of why this is a bad thing.
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May 15, 2012 09:31
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It seems weird though because she did it to the other alien in the interrogation room right in front of Martian Manhunter and Batman and they either didn't notice (seems unlikely) or didn't give a poo poo. So far Superboy seems to be the only one who has a problem with it, if he broke up with her because she was leaving a trail of vegetables in her wake you'd think one of the other heroes would have said something or noticed.
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May 15, 2012 12:33
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Cliff Racer posted:Existing in one comic for three or four years is not a lot. Heck I don't think she was even in the Teen Titans all that time, though I must admit to not having read Teen Titans back then because of quality issues. I remember a lot of people scratched their heads when she was announced on the team though. A lot of the stuff involving her and the white martian heritage comes from story arcs prior to the TV show. Saying that she did very little before the show is wrong, because as I said, she's actually done less since the show started. Which shows how dumb DC can be. "We're rebooting our comics, we have this TV show that's popular, maybe we can have the lineups match a little? Nah! We'll just put Superboy on the cover for the first issue and not actually have him join the team for a year! Not when we have the breakout character of the century, Solstice!"
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May 15, 2012 14:06
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Codependent Poster posted:A lot of the stuff involving her and the white martian heritage comes from story arcs prior to the TV show. Saying that she did very little before the show is wrong, because as I said, she's actually done less since the show started. Which shows how dumb DC can be. Again, this bugs me. Why was it a bad idea to introduce another character of colour, who wasn't super-gritty, and give her a push? If anything, ditching that idea in this sad attempt to recapture the 90s is the problem. And yes, I say this while reading and enjoying Batman and Animal Man, neither of which are exactly light and fluffy, but there's something almost offensive to me about the idea of an optimistic character being so 'unrealistic' that you have to crank the lever 180 to GRRR.
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May 15, 2012 14:22
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Gaz-L posted:Again, this bugs me. Why was it a bad idea to introduce another character of colour, who wasn't super-gritty, and give her a push? If anything, ditching that idea in this sad attempt to recapture the 90s is the problem. And yes, I say this while reading and enjoying Batman and Animal Man, neither of which are exactly light and fluffy, but there's something almost offensive to me about the idea of an optimistic character being so 'unrealistic' that you have to crank the lever 180 to GRRR. That is why Brave and the Bold was so great it was just fun.
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May 15, 2012 14:26
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Gaz-L posted:Again, this bugs me. Why was it a bad idea to introduce another character of colour, who wasn't super-gritty, and give her a push? If anything, ditching that idea in this sad attempt to recapture the 90s is the problem. And yes, I say this while reading and enjoying Batman and Animal Man, neither of which are exactly light and fluffy, but there's something almost offensive to me about the idea of an optimistic character being so 'unrealistic' that you have to crank the lever 180 to GRRR. I'm not sure what you're complaining about? I wasn't saying anything about not including Solstice, just making fun of the way DC hyped her up. And made this series super gritty. With the reboot, they should have put Miss Martian, Superboy, and Aqualad front and center in the comic series. And they can still have the other characters currently in the title. It was just completely dumb of them to not even try to get watchers of the TV show to pick up an in-continuity title with some of the same characters. And I wish both the TV show and comic were more light-hearted.
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May 15, 2012 16:55
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McSpanky posted:It's a little different here. Once in the first season, Miss Martian was psychically assaulted by a villain and had six months of memories temporarily erased (along with the rest of the team), and in the rematch barely defeated the villain with the help of one of her teammates. Later in the season, after she'd learned a bit more about her own abilities, she went mano-y-mano with him and ended up reducing him to a drooling vegetable. That was kinda brutal, but understandable as a combination of a personal vendetta and her powers getting out of hand in the heat of the moment. You did leave out the part about her doing it those last two times to gather intelligence from beings who you couldn't just go into normally.
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May 15, 2012 17:07
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Codependent Poster posted:I'm not sure what you're complaining about? I wasn't saying anything about not including Solstice, just making fun of the way DC hyped her up. And made this series super gritty. With the reboot, they should have put Miss Martian, Superboy, and Aqualad front and center in the comic series. And they can still have the other characters currently in the title. It was just completely dumb of them to not even try to get watchers of the TV show to pick up an in-continuity title with some of the same characters. But that was basically the last time I can think of where the comics proper tried to synergize with the cartoons on TV.
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May 15, 2012 17:14
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Cliff Racer posted:You did leave out the part about her doing it those last two times to gather intelligence from beings who you couldn't just go into normally. Actually I had forgotten about that, sorry. But still, she shows a rather disturbing lack of concern for the consequences of those actions, to the point of possibly not even fundamentally understanding how others could see a problem with them.
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May 15, 2012 23:37
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I'm enjoying how Miss Martian is being used in YJ. I felt Martian Manhunter is one of the most poorly used characters in the DCU. Everyone loves to gush over Batman and Superman and totally ignore a super-strong shapeshifting mind-reader who could easily eclipse both of them. Martian Manhunter should be the most feared superhero on the planet.
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May 16, 2012 01:40
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Baron Bifford posted:I'm enjoying how Miss Martian is being used in YJ. I felt Martian Manhunter is one of the most poorly used characters in the DCU. Everyone loves to gush over Batman and Superman and totally ignore a super-strong shapeshifting mind-reader who could easily eclipse both of them. Martian Manhunter should be the most feared superhero on the planet. Yet if you have a match you can beat him
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May 16, 2012 01:47
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bobkatt013 posted:Yet if you have a match you can beat him You could kill Batman with a match too, but of course he'd have a fire extinguisher in his utility belt... Or he'd use ninja stop-drop-and roll moves.
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May 17, 2012 00:49
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Baron Bifford posted:I'm enjoying how Miss Martian is being used in YJ. I felt Martian Manhunter is one of the most poorly used characters in the DCU. Everyone loves to gush over Batman and Superman and totally ignore a super-strong shapeshifting mind-reader who could easily eclipse both of them. Martian Manhunter should be the most feared superhero on the planet. Superman has actually stated that this is true, I believe. Everyone underestimates J'onn, but he's really amazingly powerful. He's even a cool enough guy that he does a lot of superheroing in countries that don't have the League or their own superheroes to pick up the slack; he's famous worldwide, but overshadowed in the USA.
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May 17, 2012 01:45
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Liar posted:You could kill Batman with a match too, but of course he'd have a fire extinguisher in his utility belt... Or he'd use ninja stop-drop-and roll moves. He'd probably figure something was up once you doused him in gasoline, anyways
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May 17, 2012 01:53
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Kurui Reiten posted:Superman has actually stated that this is true, I believe. Everyone underestimates J'onn, but he's really amazingly powerful. He's even a cool enough guy that he does a lot of superheroing in countries that don't have the League or their own superheroes to pick up the slack; he's famous worldwide, but overshadowed in the USA. The best thing that Mark Millar ever wrote (Or Grant Morrison wrote for Mark Millar) is a 6 page story where J'onn goes through a day off from JLA duty. That's the one where he talks about his recognition factor is greater than Superman's in Australia and parts of Asia.
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May 17, 2012 07:38
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One of my favorite parts of Blackest Night came right at the beginning when Hal and Barry thought they had beaten an undead J'onn only for him to come back and say something to the extent of "I'm as strong as Superman. Why does everyone always forget that?"
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May 17, 2012 08:21
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I know some people will think this is weird, but I think my favorite Martian Manhunter was written by comedian Patton Oswalt. J'onn was a cop that hung out with the main characters firefighter father, and knew all along that he was stowed away on the JLA's moonbase. Welcome to the Working Week is one of those JLA stories that doesn't get talked about enough, like Heaven's Ladder.
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May 17, 2012 08:36
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Kurui Reiten posted:Superman has actually stated that this is true, I believe. Everyone underestimates J'onn, but he's really amazingly powerful. From Justice League: The New Frontier Batman posted:"I have a $70,000 sliver of radioactive meteor to stop the one from Metropolis. With you, all I need is a penny for a book of matches." ...except what the Fernus storyline taught us is that he doesn't, he needs Plastic Man just to stand a chance against the guy who can not just shape-shift himself but probably you too.
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May 17, 2012 09:17
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Beta Ray Bill is going to be in the next episode of Earth's Mightiest Heroes.
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May 17, 2012 14:53
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So I've binged through a bunch of EMH recently but I don't remember an episode or anything where they changed from 616 Fury to Ultimate Fury but I watched Sunday's episode yesterday and it Ultimate Fury. I don't mind that's who it is but there's no explanation for the change and it was a little disjointed that not only did everyone accept that's who that is but they acted like nothing happened. I bet Fury's a Skrull.
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RevKrule posted:So I've binged through a bunch of EMH recently but I don't remember an episode or anything where they changed from 616 Fury to Ultimate Fury but I watched Sunday's episode yesterday and it Ultimate Fury. He was always an africian american. Or is there a diffrent thing you are talking about?
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RevKrule posted:So I've binged through a bunch of EMH recently but I don't remember an episode or anything where they changed from 616 Fury to Ultimate Fury but I watched Sunday's episode yesterday and it Ultimate Fury. edit:  and he grew a stache. redbackground fucked around with this message at 18:01 on May 17, 2012 |
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I thought he was always drawn like 616 Fury, except black instead of white. It was a bizarre choice, in my opinion.
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May 17, 2012 17:59
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It's probably to associate the animated version more with how Nick Fury is portrayed in the film so people new to the series can relate the two more easily. But, yeah, it was pretty weird when I first saw it.
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May 17, 2012 18:04
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Nahxela posted:It's probably to associate the animated version more with how Nick Fury is portrayed in the film so people new to the series can relate the two more easily. But, yeah, it was pretty weird when I first saw it. You know who does not like it? Bryne. He said that he is not seeing th emovie and one of the complaints is that Fury is black.
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May 17, 2012 18:05
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I just figured Fury's new look is because he is undercover. EDIT: Considering that Asgard/Odin/Loki was a major plot point in the entire first season, I'm slightly disappointed that we're getting another big Asgard sub-plot so soon after the end of the first one.
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May 17, 2012 19:49
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notthegoatseguy posted:I just figured Fury's new look is because he is undercover. In the comics at one point Fury uses an image inducer to look like Ultimate Fury.
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May 17, 2012 19:50
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bobkatt013 posted:In the comics at one point Fury uses an image inducer to look like Ultimate Fury. That would've been a better way to merge the 2 than loving "Battle Scars." Wow, my memory's not as good as it used to be. Still, while those are two black men, they're two very different (drawn) black men and at least a nod to the change would've been nice.
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May 17, 2012 21:46
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RevKrule posted:That would've been a better way to merge the 2 than loving "Battle Scars." Could just be a change in animations styles.
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bobkatt013 posted:Could just be a change in animations styles. Well he's clearly drawn with lighter skin. I would certainly hope there's not some crazy racist reasoning behind that.
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