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Guinness
Sep 15, 2004

Nippashish posted:

I could see myself turning down a job if I wasn't allowed to check my personal email or whatever. Not because I spend all day doing that, but because gently caress you rear end in a top hat stay out of my life.

Totally agreed. Maybe I've just been spoiled, but I would definitely turn down a job, especially a low salary position, where I wouldn't be trusted to have unfettered internet access. As long as I'm doing my job well, who cares if I check my personal email, use Facebook, or browse a bit of SA on the side? A part of the freedom and flexibility of a mature, professional job is being trusted to get the job done without nannies, watchmen, and micromanagers.

But I'm also not desperately unemployed, and beggars can't be choosers.

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Problem!
Jan 1, 2007

I am the queen of France.

The Experiment posted:

This is anecdotal but a friend of mine turned down a $40,000 a year job when she found out going on Facebook and texting was against the company rules. She couldn't find a job for months and then once she got another offer, at a much lower starting salary, she pounced on it. I guess she wizened up.

So don't think it doesn't happen.

I'm not even allowed to bring my phone into the building where I got my job, but that's because of security reasons (government contractor) rather than the company being overbearing. I guess I could see people who always have to have their phone in their hand getting upset about that.

I have no idea what their policy on personal email/Facebook is, I guess I'll find out on my first day. If they have it blocked I guess I'll just deal with it. I still can't wrap my head around turning down employment over Facebook :psyduck:

tolerabletariff
Jul 3, 2009

Do you think I'm spooky?
Given the premium prop trading firms pay for quants I can't understand why any engineer would want to take a "$20,000 lab bitch job." My friend was a chem-engineering major that got picked up by Citi (okay, a bank) and starts at $70 plus a bonus which is likely bring total comp to six figures. A kid I grew up with went to a generously second-tier state school for systems engineering, but also took some finance classes and will be starting at a prop shop out in Chi-city. I interviewed at the same place but couldn't handle the math, but I did learn that median income (based on trades, etc.) for a trainer-in-trading is just under $100.

My biggest regret is not being a quant in college. If your major is in the maths or hard sciences you can probably out-earn anyone else coming out of college today by a good margin. Most of these firms (there are a gazillion) won't expect in-depth financial knowledge, because that's a lot easier to teach than ridiculous quant skills. Every prop trading I interview I had was 35% fit, 50% math/brainteasers/probability, 15% markets.

The Experiment
Dec 12, 2010


Aquatic Giraffe posted:

I'm not even allowed to bring my phone into the building where I got my job, but that's because of security reasons (government contractor) rather than the company being overbearing. I guess I could see people who always have to have their phone in their hand getting upset about that.

I have no idea what their policy on personal email/Facebook is, I guess I'll find out on my first day. If they have it blocked I guess I'll just deal with it. I still can't wrap my head around turning down employment over Facebook :psyduck:

My friend's thought was that she could find another job that paid just as well that would let her use Facebook and would let her text. I don't remember the exact salary number she told me that she accepted for this new job but it was in the high 20s. So she threw away about 1/3 of her starting earning potential because she wanted to be on Facebook while at work.

bytebark
Sep 26, 2004

I hate Illinois Nazis

Ninja Bob posted:

If I want to be charitable, I can stretch to understand this. Generally jobs where the company feels the need to block websites and restrict things like Facebook are going to be crappier jobs where your employer doesn't trust you to get the job done (barring something like working with classified data, or other such unusual situations). On the whole, jobs that allow Facebook are probably also going to treat you as an adult in other ways. That said, I suspect these people who were surveyed aren't really thinking about that.

My current employer is non-Facebook (but they do allow Gchat). Their problem is that at least half the company is 8-10 years from retirement, and so it's basically run like I would expect my baby boomer parents to run it, with all of the stigma against social networking, cell phones that do more than just call people, "kids these days," etc. If I settle back and listen carefully I can often hear co-workers conversing amongst themselves about the side affects of various medications middle-agers take.

At 26 I'm the youngest person on the floor, the only "millennial" in sight and quite frankly I'm not happy there because of it. Today I saw another guy about my age walking around and he kept glancing at me cube as if he was thinking "NO WAY, there's someone else under 30 who works here!!" No access to social networking may seem like a deal killer but you need to consider why that policy is there before you make a decision over it.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
You seem to be under the impression that only young people use facebook. My office is like yours, and all these people have facebook and talk about funny posts that were posted on one of their walls. I'm not a big fan of internet filtering at work, but really things like facebook and youtube can just burn a ton of a workers time without them even knowing it.

LeafyGreens
May 9, 2009

the elegant cephalopod

I'm looking to break into the heritage and tourism industry, basically as a tour guide or similar profession and work my way up from there. I recently got a casual job in a museum on a 3 month basis as I've been volunteering for a conservation organisation for a while there now.

I graduated with a degree in Archaeology/Palaeoecology, I'd like to do a Masters in Cultural Heritage/Museum Management but I simply don't have the funds to do so.

Would anyone coming from an Archaeology background know anything about the kinds of careers I could feasibly achieve within the heritage sector? Or any advice for breaking into a full-time job? (Any of the few posts that come up are casual with very little hours). Would a Masters be an absolute necessity to get anywhere in this field?

Shipon
Nov 7, 2005

tolerabletariff posted:

Given the premium prop trading firms pay for quants I can't understand why any engineer would want to take a "$20,000 lab bitch job." My friend was a chem-engineering major that got picked up by Citi (okay, a bank) and starts at $70 plus a bonus which is likely bring total comp to six figures. A kid I grew up with went to a generously second-tier state school for systems engineering, but also took some finance classes and will be starting at a prop shop out in Chi-city. I interviewed at the same place but couldn't handle the math, but I did learn that median income (based on trades, etc.) for a trainer-in-trading is just under $100.

My biggest regret is not being a quant in college. If your major is in the maths or hard sciences you can probably out-earn anyone else coming out of college today by a good margin. Most of these firms (there are a gazillion) won't expect in-depth financial knowledge, because that's a lot easier to teach than ridiculous quant skills. Every prop trading I interview I had was 35% fit, 50% math/brainteasers/probability, 15% markets.

How much of breaking into that industry is connections or going to the right schools though?

purpleandgold
Apr 13, 2012

The Experiment posted:

This is anecdotal but a friend of mine turned down a $40,000 a year job when she found out going on Facebook and texting was against the company rules. She couldn't find a job for months and then once she got another offer, at a much lower starting salary, she pounced on it. I guess she wizened up.

So don't think it doesn't happen.

Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me. I'd take a job in which I can't drift around on the internet during the day; I was under the impression that that's normal, especially if you have a job where you're busy all day. To me that sounds suspiciously like entitled college grad. In this economy, getting a job is sufficiently difficult that being overly picky might not be a great strategy.

Crazyweasel
Oct 29, 2006
lazy

Shipon posted:

How much of breaking into that industry is connections or going to the right schools though?

I have noticed some that strictly say top GPA from top school, but it may not be unheard of to pop in with the right skills. I think what the poster is maybe missing is that I'm quite certain most quants basically are forced to be hardcore workers and usually live in more expensive urban areas.

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

I'm not sure why TolerableTariff is throwing around the word "quant" but desk quant positions usually require a PhD and pay a decent chunk of change.

It sounds like he's just referring to trading positions at places like GetCo or Jane St which look for math heavy backgrounds.

Anyway, the reason why more engineers/tech people don't go into finance is because the industry is full of douchebags like him and the pay/hour sucks compared to Silicon Valley jobs. Total comp at places like FB/Google start at 6 figures these days.

Where would you rather be? Working for the vampire squid in NYC? Or actually building poo poo in California?

Doctor Dope
Oct 4, 2005

timey-wimey fruity booty
What have peoples' experience been with unpaid volunteering? While my partner was unemployed (and then underemployed at a lovely pizza place) he got involved with various nonprofits around the area, helping with a bike trail association, a few crisis/homeless/HHS connections services and the like. He met a lot of neat people and was actually paid for his tech services here and there (he has a BS in computer science), including by the local Occupy and Move to Amend groups for helping set up their websites.
I've looked into a few opportunities to help with the kind of stuff I want to do for a career (graphic design, writing, film editing, other content creation) but I only have a half-rear end 2-year degree so far (Applied General Studies, blah) and was wondering how others have fared going this route. I'm also looking for unpaid internships, since in the area I moved to (Grand Rapids, MI) drat near everything related to my interests in the want ads are internships for only college credit.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
I've heard a couple of stories of people getting jobs through contacts through volunteering, but I wouldn't count on it personally.

WTBCzero
Oct 20, 2008
I managed to get a temporary job through volunteering (as a 'administrator'; basically low level office work), as my boss left soon after I started and I was appointed as a cover.


Of course this is pretty unlikely to happen, and depends where you volunteer. I would try to find a organisation with some paid staff though, to keep this open as a possibility.

Great Metal Jesus
Jun 11, 2007

Got no use for psychiatry
I can talk to the voices
in my head for free
Mood swings like an axe
Into those around me
My tongue is a double agent
I need some serious help, jobs thread.

I graduated college in 2009 with a BA in anthropology. I know, I know. For what it's worth I graduated with honors and department distinction. I also managed to graduate with under $10,000 in debt. While I'm not explicitly looking for a job in my field it would be nice to be able to use my degree in some way.

Professionally I have a really eclectic mix of work experience. While working through college I spent several years as a lab tech for a geotechnical laboratory. I worked the US census in 2010. I spent last fall working harvest in a winery and if all else falls through I'll probably be doing quite a bit more of that. Right now I'm a night manager and cleaner for a small resort but this position is temporary and won't last past November at the very latest.

I honestly have no idea what the gently caress to do and I'm at my wit's end. I feel like I must have acquired some useful skills somewhere between the education and the various jobs but I can't figure out how to utilize them or put them into terms employers will want to hear. The good news is I have enough saved up so that I can relocate.

Lately I've been looking at going back to school and retraining in something more practical. Is this my best bet?

joebuddah
Jan 30, 2005

Prism_Pink posted:

I'm looking to break into the heritage and tourism industry, basically as a tour guide or similar profession and work my way up from there. I recently got a casual job in a museum on a 3 month basis as I've been volunteering for a conservation organisation for a while there now.

I graduated with a degree in Archaeology/Palaeoecology, I'd like to do a Masters in Cultural Heritage/Museum Management but I simply don't have the funds to do so.

Would anyone coming from an Archaeology background know anything about the kinds of careers I could feasibly achieve within the heritage sector? Or any advice for breaking into a full-time job? (Any of the few posts that come up are casual with very little hours). Would a Masters be an absolute necessity to get anywhere in this field?
You might want to check out Savannah. There are several historical tour groups.

Xachariah
Jul 26, 2004

I'm not sure how much assistance this thread can be, as I live in Northern Ireland. I'm graduating in a couple of months, but I've finished my exams and such. I will be graduating with a BSc in Economics.

Stupid question time... what jobs can I apply for with a BSc in Economics? Few jobs seem to have the helpful moniker "Economist". I'm assuming office administration, finance companies, banks, office jobs, insurance and regulation.

All great, unless you live in bumfuck nowhere. I'm deaf, and a pussy about moving away from home. Childish, yes, but I don't wanna be up poo poo creek without a paddle and deaf. At least I live in the capital of Northern Ireland, but it's not exactly Dublin or London.

I've worked for a year at the Northern Ireland Water utility in the finance and regulation directorate. It was part of industrial placement for the university course. That's pretty much all I've got in the way of experience. My A-level qualifications are crap, but I should get a 2:1 honours degree from the uni

I've sanitised my Facebook account, made it private and I'm trying to come up with a more professional sounding email address. I'll update my CV and sort that out. I'll attend a uni job fair in June, and look for jobs through the conventional channels in the meantime.

Am I missing anything? What should I do regarding the email address if all the reasonable permutations of my name are taken? Erm, any suggestions would be more than welcome.

Fanged Lawn Wormy
Jan 4, 2008

SQUEAK! SQUEAK! SQUEAK!
My Fiancee and I are trying to start our careers in the Nashville area. I'm an Audio Production guy (record/mix/anything) and she has a background in Post-production that she's trying to rev up into a career, since she's been doing marketing/management for the last year or so while I finish my Masters Degree.


Fortunately, we have a great internship coordinator, and we've both done internships a few years ago. We've got great resources for recommendations, well-vamped cover letters and resumes, good tips on networking, all that.

Our plan was to move to Nashville first, and then job hunt. We have enough money saved up to cover about 2-3 months of rent/utilities while we are down there. We've been advised that the industry is getting more insular in the economy - that is, they won't be hiring people from out of state, so you have to move there first. After all, there's hundreds of audio people there looking for work, why should they pull in a new outsider? Furthermore, our field almost REQUIRES an internship first at our experience level, even if we've already done one.

Now comes the catch.
Most likely, we'd like an apartment, but almost everything that is in our price range/neighborhood acceptance range is requiring that we have a job offer/proof of income before we come down. We have about 3k saved up for a 2 month-job hunt spree when we come down, but I doubt anybody will accept that kind of thing.

I've gotta be there to compete, but I can't be there until I'm already being paid. Any advice on what I should do?

Problem!
Jan 1, 2007

I am the queen of France.

Fanged Lawn Wormy posted:

I've gotta be there to compete, but I can't be there until I'm already being paid. Any advice on what I should do?

Have you looked into an extended stay hotel for a month or two? You just pay that up front and you can be in the area and still have an "apartment" of sorts with a kitchen and stuff while you look for employment.

Atma McCuddles
Sep 2, 2007

Nessa posted:

I have been going to temp agencies, but they offer no feedback and never get back to me. Some of them also refuse to accept hardcopy resumes anymore. One of them specifically requested a Microsoft Word file instead of just a PDF.

Another problem is that I'd only be able to make changes to emailed resumes since I don't have a functioning printer at the moment and can't afford a new one.

I also don't want to phrase my resume in such a way to make it untrue. I am eager to learn new things, but I am certainly not a fast learner. I require writing down steps and a lot of repetition to learn new things. The last thing I want to do on a resume is lie about my abilities.

Okay, first off: are you volunteering anywhere? Make sure that makes it onto your resume. If you're not, start. Fill your time up. Volunteer at multiple places. Do all the volunteering. It's fun, you'll meet people, and it's a commitment that impresses employers and can easily be dropped for paid work! These places always take volunteers: retirement homes, soup kitchens/shelters, charities that help the disabled (e.g. Best Buddies), community centres. Another bonus: it'll prove that you can pass a police check.

There's an art to editing resumes. It's not necessarily lying. Here's the trick: unless it's a measurable variable ("I speak fluent French"), the person hiring you will probably never be in a situation where they can directly observe you not living up to the adjectives on your resume. You're not performing open-heart surgery, your credentials are not going to risk anyone's life! If you're someone who needs directions, say that you prefer to be precise. You're an artist, after all!

some6uy008
Sep 2, 2004

Aquatic Giraffe posted:

Both were blindly through job boards on the internet, but both had an email address to send my application to in the job posting so I knew an actual human had to look at them at some point. One of them I emailed to the email address listed and she sent me to the company's online job page to apply that way and they called me a week or so later to schedule an interview. I've sent out over 80 applications and this is the fourth interview I've gotten and these are the first two from just blindly applying without any contacts at the company beforehand. Just keep trying.

I have never gotten an interview through filling out the online forms. I suspect it might be because my resume is a PDF with non-traditional formatting and the resume robots probably get confused by it and immediately discard it. Once I submitted my application through an external site and it vanished somewhere between hitting submit and the company's HR department, so if there's a job you really want I'd recommend finding a way to get in touch with HR to verify it actually got there.

I've had much better luck with going through job boards tailored to my field (coroflot for design stuff, dice for computer people, etc) rather than the huge sites like indeed or monster.

Did you send a custom cover letter with all of those applications or just your resume?

Problem!
Jan 1, 2007

I am the queen of France.

some6uy008 posted:

Did you send a custom cover letter with all of those applications or just your resume?

I wrote a new cover letter for each one, custom tailored to the position, making sure to hit each bullet point on their qualifications list in the "this is why I am awesome and why you should hire me" paragraph. I didn't do much resume editing. On that note, if you're sending out multiple applications at once give each letter a unique filename so you don't accidentally attach the wrong letter. Not that I accidentally sent a letter meant for Radio Flyer to Hasbro or anything :doh:

WTBCzero
Oct 20, 2008
Is there much point in writing out a cover letter when applying for jobs advertised by recruitment agencies on sites like monster.com? I can see that a good cover letter could up your chances, but from what I've read, recruitment agents often don't bother reading them.

DukAmok
Sep 21, 2006

Using drugs will kill. So be for real.

Xachariah posted:

I'm not sure how much assistance this thread can be, as I live in Northern Ireland. I'm graduating in a couple of months, but I've finished my exams and such. I will be graduating with a BSc in Economics.

Stupid question time... what jobs can I apply for with a BSc in Economics? Few jobs seem to have the helpful moniker "Economist". I'm assuming office administration, finance companies, banks, office jobs, insurance and regulation.

All great, unless you live in bumfuck nowhere. I'm deaf, and a pussy about moving away from home. Childish, yes, but I don't wanna be up poo poo creek without a paddle and deaf. At least I live in the capital of Northern Ireland, but it's not exactly Dublin or London.

I've worked for a year at the Northern Ireland Water utility in the finance and regulation directorate. It was part of industrial placement for the university course. That's pretty much all I've got in the way of experience. My A-level qualifications are crap, but I should get a 2:1 honours degree from the uni

I've sanitised my Facebook account, made it private and I'm trying to come up with a more professional sounding email address. I'll update my CV and sort that out. I'll attend a uni job fair in June, and look for jobs through the conventional channels in the meantime.

Am I missing anything? What should I do regarding the email address if all the reasonable permutations of my name are taken? Erm, any suggestions would be more than welcome.

Your name can't be that common, do like first initial second initial last name or something.

Anyway, a degree in Economics is interesting. The market for "Economists" is pretty slim, but luckily that skill set works in a ton of industries, like you've said. Look for stuff like Business Analyst, Statistician, Sales Forecaster or something. It's not strictly economics, but a lot of the same skill carry over into business intelligence type work. And don't let your deafness hold you back. I knew guy that worked as an analyst that was extremely hard of hearing, and he's great. If you can lip read, great, but so much stuff is done via e-mail and written documents these days that it's not as big of a hurdle as it used to be.

WTBCzero posted:

Is there much point in writing out a cover letter when applying for jobs advertised by recruitment agencies on sites like monster.com? I can see that a good cover letter could up your chances, but from what I've read, recruitment agents often don't bother reading them.

Even if they won't read it, do it anyway. It's good practice for the times when they do read it. A great cover letter certainly won't hurt your chances, and on the off chance they do read it, you've given yourself an advantage. They don't need to be personal essays, just a few short paragraphs.

Great Metal Jesus posted:

I need some serious help, jobs thread.

I graduated college in 2009 with a BA in anthropology. I know, I know. For what it's worth I graduated with honors and department distinction. I also managed to graduate with under $10,000 in debt. While I'm not explicitly looking for a job in my field it would be nice to be able to use my degree in some way.

Professionally I have a really eclectic mix of work experience. While working through college I spent several years as a lab tech for a geotechnical laboratory. I worked the US census in 2010. I spent last fall working harvest in a winery and if all else falls through I'll probably be doing quite a bit more of that. Right now I'm a night manager and cleaner for a small resort but this position is temporary and won't last past November at the very latest.

I honestly have no idea what the gently caress to do and I'm at my wit's end. I feel like I must have acquired some useful skills somewhere between the education and the various jobs but I can't figure out how to utilize them or put them into terms employers will want to hear. The good news is I have enough saved up so that I can relocate.

Lately I've been looking at going back to school and retraining in something more practical. Is this my best bet?

If you're grasping at straws for a direction, going back to school probably isn't your best bet. You'll come out with a degree and more debt/less money in several years, and who knows if you'll even want to do the thing you went back to school for any more. If you were dead set on a particular field, I'd say go for it, but what I'm reading here says something more like "still need to figure it out", so blindly spending money and years of your life doesn't sound ideal.

There are a decent number of self-reporting aptitude tests that might give you a general direction, and if you're super serious, there are paid ones that are even more intensive and specifically tailored. Your anthropology degree doesn't mean you can only do anthropology, take a step back and really open your options up, what would you be doing if money/degree/whatever wasn't an issue? Or alternatively, ask friends family what they think you're really good at, they might tell you some stuff you didn't really think you were very good at, but to be honest, you don't have to be. All you have to do is convince people that you're good, the skill can come later with practice.

DukAmok fucked around with this message at 17:20 on May 22, 2012

Doghouse
Oct 22, 2004

I was playing Harvest Moon 64 with this kid who lived on my street and my cows were not doing well and I got so raged up and frustrated that my eyes welled up with tears and my friend was like are you crying dude. Are you crying because of the cows. I didn't understand the feeding mechanic.
Is it harder to find a job in a different state?

My wife just graduated with her Mechanical Engineering degree in St. Louis, and she has applied to a few jobs through her school's database, and almost all of them have given her interviews. We would ideally like to move to Baltimore, though, and she has been applying to jobs there with much less luck. We are not expecting them to pay for a trip there for an interview.

Is there anything we can do to get better results?

Problem!
Jan 1, 2007

I am the queen of France.

Doghouse posted:

Is it harder to find a job in a different state?

My wife just graduated with her Mechanical Engineering degree in St. Louis, and she has applied to a few jobs through her school's database, and almost all of them have given her interviews. We would ideally like to move to Baltimore, though, and she has been applying to jobs there with much less luck. We are not expecting them to pay for a trip there for an interview.

Is there anything we can do to get better results?

Did she say in her cover letter that she's planning to relocate to Baltimore? In my portfolio/resume/job-hunting class (more colleges should offer this sort of thing) the professor stressed putting that you're willing to relocate for the job in your cover letter if it's far enough away from where you are presently.

DukAmok
Sep 21, 2006

Using drugs will kill. So be for real.

Doghouse posted:

Is it harder to find a job in a different state?

My wife just graduated with her Mechanical Engineering degree in St. Louis, and she has applied to a few jobs through her school's database, and almost all of them have given her interviews. We would ideally like to move to Baltimore, though, and she has been applying to jobs there with much less luck. We are not expecting them to pay for a trip there for an interview.

Is there anything we can do to get better results?

A friend recently got a job out of state by just never mentioning that she didn't live in that particular state. She applied, crashed on a friend's couch for the initial interview, went home, and came back a few weeks later when they offered her the job. Not saying that was ideal for all situations, as she was able to take advantage of a free flight along the way, but it definitely can work if you're worried about the negative impact of saying you're out of state.

Fanged Lawn Wormy
Jan 4, 2008

SQUEAK! SQUEAK! SQUEAK!
When you are looking for a job out of state, it is best to give the impression that you are already there, and be prepared to go there the next day at a moments notice. Why should they bother coordinating with an it of state person, when they probably have plenty of applicants already there?

If you have a friend there, use their address for mail, if they'll let you.

Xachariah
Jul 26, 2004

DukAmok posted:

Your name can't be that common, do like first initial second initial last name or something.

For the more professional email address? Alas, I've tried. Every permutation of my initials and my last name is taken on gmail. I'm thinking of registering a domain name for the email addy, but again all permutations of my name are taken for domains.

I suppose I can come up with a business-y generic domain name in time.

DukAmok
Sep 21, 2006

Using drugs will kill. So be for real.

Xachariah posted:

For the more professional email address? Alas, I've tried. Every permutation of my initials and my last name is taken on gmail. I'm thinking of registering a domain name for the email addy, but again all permutations of my name are taken for domains.

I suppose I can come up with a business-y generic domain name in time.

Seriously? PM me your name I am intensely curious now.

Problem!
Jan 1, 2007

I am the queen of France.

Xachariah posted:

For the more professional email address? Alas, I've tried. Every permutation of my initials and my last name is taken on gmail. I'm thinking of registering a domain name for the email addy, but again all permutations of my name are taken for domains.

I suppose I can come up with a business-y generic domain name in time.

Have you tried breaking your name up into syllables? One of my friend's family has a domain name that's just the last syllable of their last name, and all the addresses are [firstname][first half of last name]@[second half of last name].com.

Xachariah
Jul 26, 2004

DukAmok posted:

Seriously? PM me your name I am intensely curious now.

For anyone who is curious, DukAmok gave it a bash and found a reasonable semi-professional permutation of my name for gmail. It's not exactly ideal, but it will suffice if I can't come up with a snazzy personal domain name.

A personal domain name would probably be the epitome of professional when it comes to email addresses, so I'll try to come up with something.

Aquatic Giraffe posted:

Have you tried breaking your name up into syllables? One of my friend's family has a domain name that's just the last syllable of their last name, and all the addresses are [firstname][first half of last name]@[second half of last name].com.

That's a good suggestion, thanks. My surname is two syllables, but the first one is "Mc" so it may not work optimally in my case. It's worth consideration though.

Xachariah fucked around with this message at 22:33 on May 22, 2012

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


No luck on the job front. Is the Boston area just tough to get an entry level job in, or am I completely off the mark? I know it's big on biotech and medical stuff but it seems more for high-level types rather than fresh graduates.

I'd heard that most college graduates are leaving or not staying in Massachusetts after graduation specifically because there are no entry level jobs in the area.

tolerabletariff posted:

Given the premium prop trading firms pay for quants I can't understand why any engineer would want to take a "$20,000 lab bitch job." My friend was a chem-engineering major that got picked up by Citi (okay, a bank) and starts at $70 plus a bonus which is likely bring total comp to six figures. A kid I grew up with went to a generously second-tier state school for systems engineering, but also took some finance classes and will be starting at a prop shop out in Chi-city. I interviewed at the same place but couldn't handle the math, but I did learn that median income (based on trades, etc.) for a trainer-in-trading is just under $100.

My biggest regret is not being a quant in college. If your major is in the maths or hard sciences you can probably out-earn anyone else coming out of college today by a good margin. Most of these firms (there are a gazillion) won't expect in-depth financial knowledge, because that's a lot easier to teach than ridiculous quant skills. Every prop trading I interview I had was 35% fit, 50% math/brainteasers/probability, 15% markets.

You got PMs or AIM or something? I'd like to talk to you more about this.

Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 09:34 on May 23, 2012

DukAmok
Sep 21, 2006

Using drugs will kill. So be for real.

Pollyanna posted:

No luck on the job front. Is the Boston area just tough to get an entry level job in, or am I completely off the mark? I know it's big on biotech and medical stuff but it seems more for high-level types rather than fresh graduates.

I'd heard that most college graduates are leaving or not staying in Massachusetts after graduation specifically because there are no entry level jobs in the area.

Undergraduate? I know a couple people who recently graduated into pretty nice biotech jobs in Boston, but I think they both had some advanced degrees. That said, have you thought about going into the business side of biotech? Sure, it's tough to grab an entry level lab/tech side job with all these advanced degrees floating around, but a more than passing familiarity with the industry can give you a big leg up for some entry level marketing/PM side jobs in the same companies.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


DukAmok posted:

Undergraduate? I know a couple people who recently graduated into pretty nice biotech jobs in Boston, but I think they both had some advanced degrees. That said, have you thought about going into the business side of biotech? Sure, it's tough to grab an entry level lab/tech side job with all these advanced degrees floating around, but a more than passing familiarity with the industry can give you a big leg up for some entry level marketing/PM side jobs in the same companies.

PM as in program/product/project management? I guess I could do that, yeah. Though I never studied marketing/business in uni.

And yeah, the fact that I have a BS means that biotech considers me unemployable. :v: If I have to spend an obnoxious amount of money to actually be able to make some amount of money, then I'm going to work in something completely different.

DukAmok
Sep 21, 2006

Using drugs will kill. So be for real.

Pollyanna posted:

PM as in program/product/project management? I guess I could do that, yeah. Though I never studied marketing/business in uni.

Yep, any of the above. You don't need to have studied marketing or business to know what to do, an undergraduate degree is more than enough to get you in there, and some common sense and some people skills are enough to help you succeed at it.

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

Pollyanna posted:

PM as in program/product/project management? I guess I could do that, yeah. Though I never studied marketing/business in uni.

And yeah, the fact that I have a BS means that biotech considers me unemployable. :v: If I have to spend an obnoxious amount of money to actually be able to make some amount of money, then I'm going to work in something completely different.
How to get your first biotech job:

Biotech only cares about one thing: biotech experience. Advanced degrees aren't worth the time it takes to get them. Ask anyone in biotech if they'd rather have someone with 2 years of experience and a BS or someone with a MSci. They'll always hire the guy with 2 years of experience. Once you get your first job, they only care about what you did at your last job.

If you have no experience in biotech, the way you get a biotech job is temp-to-hire. Aerotek and Kelly both have tons of biotech-y temp positions. 95% of jobs listed as temp in biotech are temp-to-hire. I can't stress this enough. Most entry level biotech jobs that aren't at huge companies are staffed through staffing agencies as temp-to-hire.

Apply to a hundred temp-to-hire, and you should get a couple callbacks. When you apply, emphasize in your cover letter any familiarity with whatever techniques they listed in the job posting. Use specific examples of accomplishments. Don't just say you're proficient at X. For example: "I purified 3 recombinant human proteins, including BclX, from E. coli expression systems using liquid chromatography techinques to >95% purity at milligram quantities." carries much more weight than, "I'm proficient at protein expression and purification." You should be modifying your resume to match the requirements and qualifications of each job you apply to. If you aren't spending at least an hour researching the company, modifying your resume, and writing a custom cover letter for each job, you're doing it wrong.

If you have a BS and no research experience, you are probably out of luck until you get some lab-based experience. If you're reading this and haven't graduated yet, the number one thing you can do to make yourself more hireable is to work as an undergraduate research assistant in a research lab. Talk to your adviser for how to make that happen. It also makes a great summer job. Any lab is better than no lab, but analytical skills are the most sought after right now. If you can learn HPLC, GC, and MS, you'll have a very in-demand skill set.

Also, be flexible. Boston, California, and Portland/Seattle are much tougher to crack into than other places with lots of great biotech jobs like St. Louis, Houston, and Raleigh.

I hope that helps.

Dik Hz fucked around with this message at 22:59 on May 24, 2012

Dire Straights
Aug 7, 2010

DukAmok posted:

Undergraduate? I know a couple people who recently graduated into pretty nice biotech jobs in Boston, but I think they both had some advanced degrees. That said, have you thought about going into the business side of biotech? Sure, it's tough to grab an entry level lab/tech side job with all these advanced degrees floating around, but a more than passing familiarity with the industry can give you a big leg up for some entry level marketing/PM side jobs in the same companies.
Yeah, this is the same path I'm taking because I figured there was little I could do with a BSc other than lab positions. I'm really interested in the business side so I'm just finishing up a 1-year Master's in Biotech and Business Management and starting my job search soon for marketing/project management positions.

Anybody know if it's worth searching for entry-level jobs outside in other countries (especially non-English speaking)? Any special steps involved in this? I want to work in the EU for a while since I just got my right to work there (except England).

edit: Hey Pollyanna I found this to be a pretty helpful site in looking at all the biotech companies: http://biopharmguy.com/company_by_location.php

Dire Straights fucked around with this message at 00:41 on May 25, 2012

Fanged Lawn Wormy
Jan 4, 2008

SQUEAK! SQUEAK! SQUEAK!

Dik Hz posted:

How to get your first biotech job:

When you apply, emphasize in your cover letter any familiarity with whatever techniques they listed in the job posting. Use specific examples of accomplishments. Don't just say you're proficient at X. For example: "I purified 3 recombinant human proteins, including BclX, from E. coli expression systems using liquid chromatography techinques to >95% purity at milligram quantities." carries much more weight than, "I'm proficient at protein expression and purification." You should be modifying your resume to match the requirements and qualifications of each job you apply to. If you aren't spending at least an hour researching the company, modifying your resume, and writing a custom cover letter for each job, you're doing it wrong.


This is great advice for ANY job application. The resume thread talks about this a lot, but really keep it in mind. It's a waste of time and space on your resume to give generic job descriptions and responsibilities for things like "Lab assistant" - if they are in your field, they know what a lab assistant does, so why tell them? Instead, give specific information about what you have dealt with.

Also, a suggestion I have heard: Don't let your cover letter be a repeat of your resume. List some information you couldn't fit into the resume it self.

Research every company and apply as if you were the dream employee for it.

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Chutch
Jan 1, 2008
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Last summer I graduated as master of science, management in the building industry and I also have a bachelor degree in transport engineering.

My girlfriend is going to spend a semester at San Diego State University and I want to travel along. Are my opportunities slim or non-existing if I want to work as a construction engineer in the states?

While I do not speak perfectly fluid english I can for sure get the message through.

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