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Shalebridge Cradle
Apr 23, 2008


Fried Chicken posted:

Ron Paul! (Kill ur parents)


Wasn't "pure strain gold" created here by TolberoneTriangle to parody Ron Paul and Libertarians? Is a goon trolling Conservapedia, or did this meme take on a life of its own?

Thats a troll, a really good one though.

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quiggy
Aug 7, 2010

[in Russian] Oof.


I just realized that I never saw the Conservapedia page for Occupy Wall Street, and I don't think it's been discussed in here. I think the first sentence really says it all:

Conservapedia posted:

Leftist protest Occupy Wall Street is an ongoing anti-capitalism rally and rapists' and murderers' playground, beginning as an astroturfing campaign funded by a George Soros group called Adbusters, with the ultimate goal of replacing the United States Constitution with a form of government akin to communist totalitarianism.

:allears:

Daktar
Aug 19, 2008

I done turned 'er head into a slug an' now she's a-stucked!

Shalebridge Cradle posted:

Thats a troll, a really good one though.

And it got me perfectly. The idea that you can tell which atoms of gold were the first to come into existence was just crazy enough for me to believe that libertarians believed it.

tote up a bags
Jun 8, 2006

die stoats die

The page on Dogs

quote:

Liberals often use dogs to their political advantage - Barack Hussein Obama keeps a dog in the White House. This is clearly a liberal ploy to win over dog owners in crucial swing states. In reality no true dog would voluntarily be a part of the liberal propaganda machine, especially given how many liberals are atheist and the proven link between atheism and bestiality.

NO TRUE DOG REPUBLICAN

Binowru
Feb 15, 2007

I never set out to be weird. It was always other people who called me weird.
Now that's how you troll.

Ying Par
Nov 13, 2005

Ut tandem populus R. verum Caesarem habeat
I've seen the Adbusters as puppeteer behind OWS thing before and I have to say really? Adbusters?

sass menagerie
Nov 29, 2008

Dear Diary, I'm sorry for all those hateful, racist things I said about you.

Ying Par posted:

I've seen the Adbusters as puppeteer behind OWS thing before and I have to say really? Adbusters?

Well, it actually was Adbusters who originally suggested occupying Wall Street, but the occupiers basically just agreed that was a good idea and did so; it's not as if Adbusters controlled it.

Bobby Digital
Sep 4, 2009

Daktar posted:

And it got me perfectly. The idea that you can tell which atoms of gold were the first to come into existence was just crazy enough for me to believe that libertarians believed it.

The market will decide which gold atoms came first :colbert:

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

sass menagerie posted:

Well, it actually was Adbusters who originally suggested occupying Wall Street, but the occupiers basically just agreed that was a good idea and did so; it's not as if Adbusters controlled it.

It's not as if Rick Santelli controlled the Tea Party, either!

Bruce Leroy
Jun 10, 2010

VideoTapir posted:

It's not as if Rick Santelli controlled the Tea Party, either!

But don't Freedomworks and other organizations funded by wealthy individuals and corporations directly fund, if not explicitly control, tea party organizations like the Tea Party Express?

Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

I AM NOT BEING PAID TO CORRECT OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS! DONKEY!!

Bruce Leroy posted:

But don't Freedomworks and other organizations funded by wealthy individuals and corporations directly fund, if not explicitly control, tea party organizations like the Tea Party Express?

NO! ALL TEA PARTY ORGANIZATIONS ARE ONE HUNDRED PERCENT INDEPENDENT AND SPONTANEOUS WITH NO INVOLVEMENT FROM THE WEALTHY!

modig
Aug 20, 2002
Conservapedia doesn't have a page on Diablo :( I'm hoping they'll at least put up some inane blurb about how fat liberals play Diablo 3 when it releases. Their Baal page does mention that he was a boss in Diablo 2, but thats all the coverage they have.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
Their coverage of video games is pretty much surface level.

http://conservapedia.com/Video_games

This and the related articles at the bottom are pretty much the extent of it, they dont really talk about any games in particular

The Video Game Industry Article is pretty funny though:

quote:

The video game industry has a long history of unintentionally spreading liberal values and extremist ideals to children.
Examples

Overusing profanity (Many games rated "T" for "teen")
Meticulous designs of blood and gore (Virtually every game rated for 17+ players)
Allowing players to be terrorists and perform terrorism (Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2)
Allowing players to have fornication with prostitutes (All Grand Theft Auto video games)
Welcoming to more violence, such as providing bonus points for extra murders (Grand Theft Auto IV)
Over reliance on violence than story (Gears of War)
Overtones of Hollywood Values (Grand Theft Auto: The Ballad of Gay Tony)
Allowing players to gamble in Las Vegas themed casinos and borrow money from mafia bosses (Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas after completing a flight school).
Godless protagonists, religious antagonists. (Sins of a Solar Empire)
Encourages radical terrorism (Red Faction: Guerrilla)
Promotes idolatry (Black and White)

Even then it says this stuff is unintentional.

Edit: This list used to be longer I think, included stuff like calling dieties deceitful in God of War and cracks about God in Starcraft.

Tartarus Sauce
Jan 16, 2006


friendship is magic
in a pony paradise
don't you judge me
What, no mention of Postal 2? For shame.

It promotes blowing up celebrities with rocket launchers, napalming both Catholic priests and jihadists, using cats as silencers, and pissing on people.

But, they referenced Black and White, another favorite of mine, so, hurrah, I suppose?

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

RagnarokAngel posted:

Their coverage of video games is pretty much surface level.

http://conservapedia.com/Video_games

This and the related articles at the bottom are pretty much the extent of it, they dont really talk about any games in particular

The Video Game Industry Article is pretty funny though:


Even then it says this stuff is unintentional.

Edit: This list used to be longer I think, included stuff like calling dieties deceitful in God of War and cracks about God in Starcraft.

My favorite part about the list is how specific they are, especially in the GTA (after Flight school!) ones. So you know they play video games, but they just can't stop from noticing how unGodly they are.

Binowru
Feb 15, 2007

I never set out to be weird. It was always other people who called me weird.
I'm surprised they don't ding GTA:SA for letting you re-enact 9/11.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.
Their article on Jack Thompson (lovely and now disbarred lawyer, as well as an anti-video game person):

quote:

John Bruce "Jack" Thompson is a former lawyer and an outspoken and effective critic of video games and their role in inciting violence by children. Liberals have vilified him because he has exposed the harm done by video games. He has frequently sought justice against videogame companies, such as Take Two Interactive, who have insisted on publishing violent, sexually explicit and/or obscene games. He was disbarred in July 2008.[1]

In 2005, Thompson struck back at the video game industry with a satirical offer to donate money if a developer created a game he described. The game would involve a father, whose son has been murdered by a violent video game addict, getting his own back on the makers of violent video games. His intent was to put callous developers in the shoes of people who are victimized in video games, such as women. He called this his "Modest Proposal". Pretending he was serious -- or perhaps not realizing he was joking -- some independent developers pushed out shovelware which barely met his terms in a failed attempt to publically embarrass him. However, no major developers dared to meet his challenge

And the talk page:

quote:

Should we bring up Penny Arcade? That's where the vilification has been coming from, although Mr. Thompson is rather stubborn. Obviously that need not be in the article since that doesn't support your point of view. That said, this is a contentious topic that you would do well to build on (I've only fixed a spelling mistake, since I know that if I wrote the article I would end up banned because I support the video gaming industry and video gaming culture). DanieleGiusto 21:53, 15 December 2009 (EST)

What is Penny Arcade and what does it have to do with this article? Explain what you'd like to see in the article, here, on the talk page, and maybe we'll put it in. JacobB 21:58, 15 December 2009 (EST)

Penny Arcade is a webcomic that caters to video gamers, and Mr. Thompson had a spat of sorts with the creators of the comic, where he (jokingly, he claims) offered $10k to anybody who created a shoot-em-up video game where the victims are the CEOs of violent video game companies. When some programmers did create the game he suggested, he refused to pay the money, so the creators of Penny Arcade did so instead. I'll add it in when I find a source. DanieleGiusto 18:49, 27 December 2009 (EST)

Other than Penny Arcade, some video gamers are on a crusade to smear their critics, and especially Jack Thompson. There's little doubt that video games are causing significant harm to kids who become addicted to them, and to innocent people victimized by them. Mr. Thompson should be praised, not vilified, for standing up against the vile industry. It is doubtful that his "offer" was legally binding and fully satisfied (presumably it meant selling and promoting such a game like the others), and this issue at best a distraction from more important issues.--Andy Schlafly 19:21, 27 December 2009 (EST)

Your observations provide more insight than the article does, so perhaps we should put something to this effect in the article. You're absolutely right, the original "modest proposal" does require that the game be sold, although free downloads are readily available. In sum, Jack Thompson could use some good conservative defenders, and the only portion of this article that provides that viewpoint is the word "effective." If he's effective, then what effect has he had (other than being disbarred, poor fellow)? User:DanieleGiusto 23:42, 6 January 2010 (EST)

Oh that poor Mr Jack Thompson, cruelly disbarred for standing up to the people who let vidya games get away with being fun :qq:

Not being disbarred for his bizzare and numerous contempts of court and

Wikipedia posted:

"cumulative misconduct, a repeated pattern of behavior relentlessly forced upon numerous unconnected individuals, a total lack of remorse or even slight acknowledgment of inappropriate conduct, and continued behavior consistent with the previous public reprimand...
Over a very extended period of time involving a number of totally unrelated cases and individuals, the Respondent has demonstrated a pattern of conduct to strike out harshly, extensively, repeatedly and willfully to simply try to bring as much difficulty, distraction and anguish to those he considers in opposition to his causes...
He does not proceed within the guidelines of appropriate professional behavior, but rather uses other means available to intimidate, harass, or bring public disrepute to those whom he perceives oppose him".

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

Soon, we will be unstoppable!

Binowru posted:

I'm surprised they don't ding GTA:SA for letting you re-enact 9/11.
Or Just Cause 2 which lets you re-enact 9/11 and the BP oil spill at the same time.

Binowru
Feb 15, 2007

I never set out to be weird. It was always other people who called me weird.

OneEightHundred posted:

Or Just Cause 2 which lets you re-enact 9/11 and the BP oil spill at the same time.

Pffft, it's not a true recreation if you parachute out at the last second :colbert:

That said, I do like the innocuous music in that video.

Gross Dude
Feb 5, 2007

Gross Dude
I don't know if this has been posted about, but one of my friends point out a helpful box at the bottom of this page: http://conservapedia.com/Stolen_concept.

There's no way that's not a troll, right?

Here's the text if you don't want to click on the link:

conservapedia posted:

This page is proudly free from citations

To insist on finding a reference elsewhere for every statement made, as Wikipedia does, is to be a slave to hearsay. The authors of this page have enough confidence in their own insight not to lean on the opinions and assertions of others.

kissekatt
Apr 20, 2005

I have tasted the fruit.

Amusing find. Looking at the editors of the actual template page and a short discussion about it, it is not a troll. However, to their credit, the nohearsay template does not actually appear in the list of templates and it is only used in the stolen concepts article.

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon

Dumb article posted:

Pretending he was serious -- or perhaps not realizing he was joking -- some independent developers pushed out shovelware which barely met his terms in a failed attempt to publically embarrass him. However, no major developers dared to meet his challenge

I like the double whammy of "Indie developers actually thought he was serious, the morons!" and "Major developers obviously wussed out, the cowards!" If I had to describe the Conservapedia mindset as concisely as possible, I would use this quote. :allears:

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
I was listening to Skeptoid and one of the episodes talks about Conservapedia. One of the things Dunning talks about is the charges that CP levels at Wikipedia, stuff like it bans users if they say bad things about wikipedia or even if they just exposing conservative ideals.

The charge of supporting pedophilia and other nasty things I know comes from the fact they post somewhat unbiased articles about them, but is there any truth to them, even a grain? Or is just the very common internet conservative thing where they just make poo poo up and because they know their audience won't look to any other sources so they'll just believe it at face value.

Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

I AM NOT BEING PAID TO CORRECT OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS! DONKEY!!

twistedmentat posted:

I was listening to Skeptoid and one of the episodes talks about Conservapedia. One of the things Dunning talks about is the charges that CP levels at Wikipedia, stuff like it bans users if they say bad things about wikipedia or even if they just exposing conservative ideals.

The charge of supporting pedophilia and other nasty things I know comes from the fact they post somewhat unbiased articles about them, but is there any truth to them, even a grain? Or is just the very common internet conservative thing where they just make poo poo up and because they know their audience won't look to any other sources so they'll just believe it at face value.

As a Wikipedia admin, I can tell you: that's bullshit. Wikipedia is full of people who criticize Wikipedia. And people don't get banned for "espousing conservative ideals" -- although some of the people who were loudest about doing so, got banned for other reasons.

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

I would imagine "criticizing Wikipedia" in this context means accusing it of being full of liberal-commifacists who support the destruction of Israel and its replacement by a Muslimatheist Socialist State.

nsaP
May 4, 2004

alright?
It's them projecting onto wikipedia their behavior on Conservapedia. Basically a lesson in human psychology, and if it doesn't have you doubting your own premises you're as broken as them.

Luckily we're right...of course they think that too...

Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

I AM NOT BEING PAID TO CORRECT OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS! DONKEY!!

Conservapedia's front page posted:

Boxing superstar and politician, Manny Pacquiao, has been banned from the upscale shopping mall, The Grove, in California due to his views on homosexuality. [16] Of course, the ban doesn't really matter to Pacquiao since real men aren't into shopping anyways.

Plus there's an anime "crybaby" cartoon, meant to symbolize atheists.

Plus this.

Such a brainfuck.

Malachi Constant
Feb 2, 2006

I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all

Parahexavoctal posted:

[...]

Plus this.

Such a brainfuck.

Nice. Most of that "test" is basically, "Do you have an absolute 100% certain opinion on something that is not 100% provable? No? Then we're right, cause we do have 100% certain opinions!". It's a fundamental misunderstanding of how logic works.

The rest are bizarre fever dreams of a crazy person.

Conservapedia posted:

16. Do you deny that the imposition of socialism and same-sex marriage on a nation could harm its competitiveness at international events like the Olympics?

"Could harm"? "Could"? Sure. Changing the font used in McDonald's ads "could harm" our Olympic chances, too. So what?

They also redefine the word "impossible" to mean "very improbable":

Conservapedia posted:

By impossible we do not mean mathematically impossible, but so unlikely as to be considered absurd.

real edit: Using their definition of "impossible" I would agree with them. I think their test is broken.

fake edit: This lead me to their page on capital-G God, which was a quarter of the size of the Wikipedia article and gave this explanation for how we know God exists, or as they put it, "How we know about God":

Conservapedia posted:

Other than creation itself, God is revealed in several ways, including conscience and special revelation (the bible, and prophets). Most importantly though, God is revealed in Jesus Christ, who is the Son of God.

Welp, good enough for me, I guess.

Their definition of skepticism is also shockingly brief and links to a paper on the subject from a crackpot journal. Read the abstract and see if you can see all the logical fallacies!

Malachi Constant fucked around with this message at 01:11 on May 20, 2012

Gross Dude
Feb 5, 2007

Gross Dude

Parahexavoctal posted:

Plus there's an anime "crybaby" cartoon, meant to symbolize atheists.

Plus this.

Such a brainfuck.

Basically this test is just "Do you think my conservative position could possibly be correct?" If yes, then I'm right. If no, then you're close minded.

The Dark One
Aug 19, 2005

I'm your friend and I'm not going to just stand by and let you do this!

Malachi Constant posted:

Their definition of skepticism is also shockingly brief and links to a paper on the subject from a crackpot journal. Read the abstract and see if you can see all the logical fallacies!

If you disagree with their definition of skepticism, then you're definitely a macro-skeptic.

Binowru
Feb 15, 2007

I never set out to be weird. It was always other people who called me weird.
The best thing about their "open-mindedness" test is how easily it can be turned around.

1. Do you deny that all extant lifeforms could be the result of natural selection?

2. Do you deny that humankind could have possibly had some influence on global climate change?

etc.

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon

Close-minded article posted:

13. Do you think that is impossible for the power of 2 in Newtonian gravity, whereby the gravitational force is proportional to 1/r^2, to be more precise with an exponent that is slightly different from 2, such as a gravitational force proportional to 1/r^2.00000001?

This one is my favorite because of how ridiculous it is.

Sarion
Dec 24, 2003

I don't know, this one is pretty nuts:

quote:

16. Do you deny that the imposition of socialism and same-sex marriage on a nation could harm its competitiveness at international events like the Olympics?

I can see it now. Michael Phelps gives up because of gay marriage...

Kieselguhr Kid
May 16, 2010

WHY USE ONE WORD WHEN SIX FUCKING PARAGRAPHS WILL DO?

(If this post doesn't passive-aggressively lash out at one of the women in Auspol please send the police to do a welfare check.)
The funny part is that pouring shitloads of money into the Olympics and into athletes is why rich countries overwhelming win the most medals. In Australia the government got heavily involved in the Olympics after an 'embarassment' where no medals were won at all. You'd be amazed at how much more you win when you get a massive cash injection.

I find this sort of stuff really lovely because left-wingers seem to be under a constant demand to acknowledge that they could be incorrect. I notice it's reasonably common that if they bring a left-wing activist on TV they'll ask them whether they could, abstractly, be incorrect (it's never specific, just a 'could you be wrong'). It's like those people who respond to a thread consensus against some piece of media they like by demanding people constantly tag their statements with 'in my opinion,' as though their opinion had to be softened by the concession that, yes, their opinion really is an opinion and not (like Conservapedia) the received wisdom of a divine being.

Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012

Kajeesus posted:

This one is my favorite because of how ridiculous it is.

This would require a partial spatial dimension right? It's squared because of the inverse square law? Manny Pacquiao being a giant pussy because he spends his money is my favorite.

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon

Babylon Astronaut posted:

This would require a partial spatial dimension right? It's squared because of the inverse square law?

I'm not sure what it would require to make sense physically, but I'm pretty sure that every single known proportionality relation has a rational exponent, and the alternative makes no sense.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
The exponent ties into their inconsistent hatred of relativity, since it fixes one of the problems with Newtonian mechanics (at the cost of loving up so many others).

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

I posted this in the Political Cartoons thread, but I think it may be more appropriate to post here:

So I spent half the day in Newsbusters' comment section arguing with dozens of fire breathing right wingers. It went about as well as you'd expect but there was one little noteworthy thing about it.

The vast majority of the commenters simply insulted me for being a "government educated" brainwashed stupid, college going liebrul. But there was one guy that actually bothered attempting to respond to my arguments with actual data from legitimate websites and such. The topic we were discussing was tax rates throughout the past several decades and that Obama's are historically low.

So here was the kicker. This dude, didn't dispute that Obama's tax rates weren't low. Nor did he dispute that previous presidents, including Reagan had much higher rates. But his problem seemed to be that deep in Obama's heart, he wants to go deeper than any previous president ever went to bring about his socialist utopia. How he would go about this? No clue, except that it would most likely be illegally. What proof does he have? Not a thing, which if you think about it, makes it seem even MORE likely he'd do what this guy claims he's gonna do!

This absolutely blew my mind. It's one thing to encounter right wingers that have no clue about the country's history, or it's economic history or a vast amount of things. But here we have an absolutely fascinating situation where someone who has the proper data, the proper information, and understanding, yet somehow comes to some amazingly bizarre, utterly deluded conclusions. The dude even said he liked JFK and thought it would be great if Obama was more like him, DESPITE THE FACT THAT JFK ADVOCATED FOR A MILLION THINGS THAT YOU ASSHOLES WOULD DESPISE.

Reminded me astonishingly of my ex-roommate, who was an atheist (and only Baal knows what he is now), who I thought was a liberal but turns out he was a super rabid right winger (who also for Odin knows what reason, was a fan of FDR, Clinton and Jon Stewart!). It was the same thing with him. Oddly enough, whenever we argued about this stuff, he never disputed my facts, but after years of reading chain e-mails about Obama's brownshirt union thugs coming to steal guns, he was just absolutely convinced Obama was this nefarious dictator just waiting for an opportunity.

I mean, how the hell is it possible for someone's mind to process things like that? To acknowledge something is true while simultaneously ignoring it? So many cartoons posted here of such mind boggling weird things like Obama some how showing deference to Al Qaeda, despite killing their top guy. Cartoons about homeless people riding the subway being considered "elitist". Obama being simultaneously an atheist and a muslim (and at times, a radical Christian). I mean, holy poo poo. My god!

kissekatt
Apr 20, 2005

I have tasted the fruit.

For all Conservative fans out there I am just going to link the talk page for Debate: 15 questions for evolutionists. As a sample, the very first message written on it is:

AugustO [the user who restored the article after Conservative deleted it], I am sure the homosexual members of the Evangelical Church of Hesse Electorate-Waldeck that you belong to who were "married" in one of their "churches" are going to love the material you posted here. Liberals love error. By the way, what are your thoughts on the Conservapedia homosexuality article? Conservative 08:47, 12 January 2012 (EST)

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RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

Mr Interweb posted:

The dude even said he liked JFK and thought it would be great if Obama was more like him, DESPITE THE FACT THAT JFK ADVOCATED FOR A MILLION THINGS THAT YOU ASSHOLES WOULD DESPISE.

My parents are hardcore republicans and they love JFK too. What is with that? They're convinced he was a "centrist" (Talking about American politics here not worldwide) who made real concessions for both sides.

While I know JFK wasn't the most liberal president we've had I always assumed he was just enough left of center to make conservatives mad, am I misunderstanding?

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