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I have to say, I don't really much care for the concept that the buyer is required to buy a beer and not drink it for it to be any good. If I wanted to be snobby and keep poo poo in my house at some temperature that it never is in my house, I'd be in the goonwine thread. I'm particularly less inclined to buy into it knowing that a lot of the time, it's just a lot of solventy fusels that have to fade into the background or some other flavor that the brewer way overdid that they're waiting to fade as opposed to figuring out some way to get that character without overdoing and then convincing the buyers its better this way. If that's going to be part of the process, the brewer should just bulk age it longer, really, not send it to the consumer while the beer isn't done.
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Angry Grimace posted:If that's going to be part of the process, the brewer should just bulk age it longer, really, not send it to the consumer while the beer isn't done. I understand what you're getting at, but if the brewer did this the cost of said products would be passed onto the consumer anyway. I don't think I've really come across any beer though that was undrinkable "fresh" aside from Old Rasputin XIV, even then it was just way too heavy on the bourbon. The reason why I've taken to aging a few beers isn't because I disliked them fresh, nor is it because I feel they're going to get better, but I'm doing it because I would like to see first hand how the beer changes. I'm very anxiously awaiting opening my 2010 Abacus and my 2011 Black Ops this Winter with some friends and enjoying the heck out of them. Midorka fucked around with this message at 16:51 on May 25, 2012 |
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May 25, 2012 16:44
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New Belgium Tart Lychee is making it's way across the country now. Was once a pretty hard beer to find as it was draft only, but it's good to see another widely available and easy to drink gateway sour. Gonna definitely drink some while in Texas for the next week or so.
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May 25, 2012 16:59
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air- posted:New Belgium Tart Lychee is making it's way across the country now. Was once a pretty hard beer to find as it was draft only, but it's good to see another widely available and easy to drink gateway sour. Gonna definitely drink some while in Texas for the next week or so. Definitely a gateway sour. I was wishing that it was more tart and funky when I had it. They did a really nice job with the lychee flavor. Came through pretty clearly for me.
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May 25, 2012 17:17
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Angry Grimace posted:I have to say, I don't really much care for the concept that the buyer is required to buy a beer and not drink it for it to be any good. If I wanted to be snobby and keep poo poo in my house at some temperature that it never is in my house, I'd be in the goonwine thread. I'm particularly less inclined to buy into it knowing that a lot of the time, it's just a lot of solventy fusels that have to fade into the background or some other flavor that the brewer way overdid that they're waiting to fade as opposed to figuring out some way to get that character without overdoing and then convincing the buyers its better this way. If you're going to have issues with "wait until XXXX to drink," then I hope you have the same issue with people saying that the Pliny I drank isn't ideal because it was more than 2 weeks old... Personally, aging beer is something I like to do and I'm glad that breweries cater to my enjoyment. Doing verticals of things is one of those processes that makes beer drinking fascinating to me. Some breweries do bulk aging and some breweries will release "cellared" bottles on release days. But I don't think it should be entirely up to them as to when I have to drink their beer.
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May 25, 2012 17:22
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Founders Frangelic Mountain Brown will be their next backstage series beer. I'm actually very excited for this since I love hazelnut coffee!
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May 25, 2012 17:32
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danbanana posted:If you're going to have issues with "wait until XXXX to drink," then I hope you have the same issue with people saying that the Pliny I drank isn't ideal because it was more than 2 weeks old... I've expressed that opinion several times actually. It's not designed to be cellared but it's not like Pliny becomes Miller Lite if you drink it 5 weeks after its bottled.
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May 25, 2012 18:02
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danbanana posted:If you're going to have issues with "wait until XXXX to drink," then I hope you have the same issue with people saying that the Pliny I drank isn't ideal because it was more than 2 weeks old... Not to mention aged Expedition Stout is far superior to fresh. 
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May 25, 2012 18:17
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I had a "Firestone Walker Velvet Merlin w/Congo Cocoa Nibs" from a firkin at a local joint last night. It was pretty drat good. It smelled like hot cocoa, but the chocolate wasn't overwhelming on the palate when you drank it. It definitely lingered on the palate afterwords though. I would drink it again.
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May 25, 2012 18:50
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We have a trading thread, please keep all trading chat there.
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Well, if you don't want to age beer, then don't. How hard is that? And if you find you don't like a 2012 Barleywine from whoever and don't want to lay it down for a few months to see if it changes, then don't buy another bottle. So what? And really, there is nothing wrong with a brewery putting out a beer that improves with time. At this point you're all just  for the sake of showing how "anti-beer-geek" you are. Who gives a gently caress? Go enjoy beer.If it really bothers you that much, just keep your eyes open for an opportunity to buy older bottles from a store's overstock. I just took home two sixes of Brooklyn's '07 Monster BW that was clearanced out. That poo poo was bottled five years ago and I can drink it tonight (and I am right now - at room temperature - and it is lovely).
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FreelanceSocialist posted:Brooklyn's '07 Monster BW Funny enough, my local bar had a Brooklyn takeover last weekend and had a keg of this. Because they're smart, they charged more for it!
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May 25, 2012 20:34
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Well, that would make sense.
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May 25, 2012 20:43
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FreelanceSocialist posted:Well, if you don't want to age beer, then don't. How hard is that? And if you find you don't like a 2012 Barleywine from whoever and don't want to lay it down for a few months to see if it changes, then don't buy another bottle. So what? And really, there is nothing wrong with a brewery putting out a beer that improves with time. At this point you're all just Who are you even talking to?
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May 25, 2012 20:46
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Most ageable beers are made to be excellent no matter when you drink them. It's not like I would turn my nose up at a fresh Ten Fidy or Storm King. I think aging is a common enough practice that it's fair to market specifically to those people. Serious enthusiasts stash their beer anyway, so why not give them a special treat?
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May 25, 2012 20:52
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CalvinDooglas posted:Most ageable beers are made to be excellent no matter when you drink them. It's not like I would turn my nose up at a fresh Ten Fidy or Storm King.
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May 25, 2012 20:57
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Amazing DIPA + Galaxy Hops + Can = Awesome Chigoons go get it! (Thanks ShaneB for the heads up). 
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May 25, 2012 23:11
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Angry Grimace posted:Who are you even talking to? Probably CYBER SLIME
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May 25, 2012 23:16
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Paul Proteus posted:Amazing DIPA + Galaxy Hops + Can = Awesome holy poo poo those cans are amazing 
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May 25, 2012 23:39
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Paul Proteus posted:Amazing DIPA + Galaxy Hops + Can = Awesome Whoa. I didn't realize they were canning this. Definitely on my list!
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Whole Foods started doing pick sixes! I got: 312 Urban Wheat Victory Summer Love SN Torpedo tall boy Allagash Dubbel Southern Tier Hop Sun Smuttynose Weizen summer ale Victory is chilling the freezer right now. Angry Grimace posted:Well, I was mostly referring to the discussion on the previous page about about beers that say "don't drink until after X date," or just generally aren't good at all until you age them out. The fact that a beer gets a more pleasant or interesting flavor with age isn't something to complain about at all. I agree it's a little wanky, though I'd take those labels with a grain of salt. I get the impression it's more of a "look how huge this beer is" thing. Beer has co-opted some of the wine culture, and I'm OK with that. I know there are plenty of serious beer nerds who keep a proper cellar and really want to feel like they're responsible for a little bit of the beer's awesomeness. CalvinDooglas fucked around with this message at 01:15 on May 26, 2012 |
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May 26, 2012 01:13
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I stopped and got some bottles of Samuel Smith's RIS, Deschutes Black Butte Porter, and Mirror Pond, and Breckenridge Vanilla Porter. It's going to be a good weekend.
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CalvinDooglas posted:Whole Foods started doing pick sixes! I got: I don't understand why so many people love this, it's one of the worst beers I've had in recent memory.
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May 26, 2012 06:54
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Midorka posted:I don't understand why so many people love this, it's one of the worst beers I've had in recent memory. Legit question: did you drain pour?
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Paul Proteus posted:Amazing DIPA + Galaxy Hops + Can = Awesome I've never wanted a beer more in my life. That looks and sounds amazing. I wish this came to CT or NY...
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Tigren posted:Legit question: did you drain pour? No, it was bad but it wasn't undrinkable. It was bad in the way that it was so boring that I don't see how anyone could have any strong opinion of like towards it that I see a lot of people have for it. It was just bland.
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May 26, 2012 15:13
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Highland Brewing summer seasonal Razor Wit. American made Belgian style with ginger? yessir, I will drink that.
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Midorka posted:No, it was bad but it wasn't undrinkable. It was bad in the way that it was so boring that I don't see how anyone could have any strong opinion of like towards it that I see a lot of people have for it. It was just bland. It's a wheat beer, that style really isn't that diverse IMO. Not sure what ou were expecting.
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Got a bomber of the new Parabola for a party last night. It's great, tastes like really cold chocolate milk with noticeable alcohol heat on the front palate. I'm very sad I missed all the bottles in stores here, guess I'll have to grab another growler and enjoy it while I can. I also got the immense honor of trying another bottle of Rogue Voodoo Maple Bacon Troll Beer. God dammit, Rogue. This one tasted exactly like the last: burned plastic with artificial maple syrup flavor on top. That said, there were a couple of people in the group who didn't think it tasted like poison. That has led me to two theories, and I think one or both may explain why this beer is rated well by some and poorly by most. Theory 1: People who grew up with Aunt Jemima or other artificially-flavored syrups on their breakfasts will find a lot of nostalgia for that flavor. People who grew up with honest-to-  maple syrup won't, instead it will taste like that nasty horrible syrup poo poo other people put on their pancakes that one time you slept over at a friend's house.Theory 2: The Oxford Companion to Beer indicates as much as 25% of the human population may be genetically deaf to diacetyl. About one in ten people can't smell the stuff they put in natural gas to make sure people can smell it (smart, eh?). Maybe the ability to taste good things in Rogue Voodoo Maple Bacon Troll Beer is like that: a recessive genetic trait that should be considered admission of sub-humanity, sort of like people who think cilantro tastes like soap.
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You had it a second time?? You're just encouraging them you know. To make even more terrible beer. I have no sympathy at all for you people. And cilantro does taste like soap.
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I am, at heart, a scientist. When I heard indications that there was tremendous bottle variation and widely varied experiences with the beer, I felt it necessary to conduct further experiments. This bottle was from a different retailer, thereby eliminating case variation and giving the beer another chance to not make me want to punch the head brewer of Rogue square in the testicles. It did not capitalize on that chance. Also I didn't buy it so you can't blame me for that.
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I'm in Philly with a friend and had her take me to the Foodery on tenth and pine finally. Cool little place. We grabbed a six of: Lancaster Rumspringa, Victory Whirlwind Wit, DFH Festina Peche, DFH Urkontinent, Allagash White, and Dulle Teve. I'd appreciate any suggestions on what order those should be drunk, and anything special I should look out for - Neither of us have had any of them before! E: Haha, as I was posting, she opened the Teve. Further reports will come in. E2: holy drat, the 10° is delicious. Manky fucked around with this message at 20:48 on May 26, 2012 |
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Paul Proteus posted:Amazing DIPA + Galaxy Hops + Can = Awesome Where'd you get it? Liquor store, or straight from Half Acre?
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mysterious frankie posted:Where'd you get it? Liquor store, or straight from Half Acre? Half Acre only. It's that or kegs at bars - no regular distribution. 1 four pack per person - I'd call to see if they still have it.
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So, it's summer time again... and I needed a new case in the fridge.. Went with a "rare" beer for me, in that I normally go with an american version ... but I picked up a case of Weihenstephaner Hefe Weisse . Always one of my favorites, and I had a little extra coin this month, so I decided to treat myself to a quality brew I don't normally buy.
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Midorka posted:I don't understand why so many people love this, it's one of the worst beers I've had in recent memory. well I didn't get it because I loved it; I am/was curious if it was any good, since GI's flagships are hitting shelves and taps in my area. I am almost done with a Southern Tier Hop Sun, and it's pretty good. Not great, but refreshing on a warm, muggy day. It's a wheat beer, but with a very light body and almost lager/pilsner-ish hops. Maybe second rate attempt at what Little Sumpin Sumptin is going for.
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I suspect sweeteners are one of those things that some people are extremely sensitive to and others can't detect. Artificial sweeteners like Sorbitol absolutely stand out to me, and if I tasted that in a beer I wouldn't go past the first sip.
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What exactly is a nitro beer? I picked up a 6 pack of Left Hand Milk Stout Nitro and I did the hard pour which looked  but I don't really understand what the term nitro is supposed to mean. Does it mean that there was nitrogen added to the beer? Or does it refer to the awesome effect that happens from the hard pour? Or both?
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enthe0s posted:What exactly is a nitro beer? I picked up a 6 pack of Left Hand Milk Stout Nitro and I did the hard pour which looked Nitro is used instead of CO2 to carbonate the beer. It provides a smoother, different mouth feel from CO2. It's the same gas used in Guinness.
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