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see you tomorrow
Jun 27, 2009

I was already sold on the game but I was in the (post-game) Everfall and I saw what looked like carvings of lizards on the back wall of a room. Walked over to check them out and practically poo poo my pants when they jumped off the wall and attacked me! :byodood: It was a great moment.

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Vitamean
May 31, 2012

What exactly is that skill that sends enemies flying? I thought it would be Full Bend, but that does send them as far as I thought it would.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


I don't even know where to start with how stupid this "gather evidence for the trial mission is." There really shouldn't even be run around the city missions in this game but this one is just loving retarded. The waypoints are all jacked up and I have to wait for days for it to finish? Yeesh.

Hatter106
Nov 25, 2006

bolshi fight za homosex
Welp I'm stuck at the Shadow Fort. Every gate is locked, the Frontier Caverns are a dead-end, and all the holes say they're for small people.
What the hell am I supposed to do?

EDIT: also, it pissed me off that the "Stone of the South" turned out to be the Shadow Fort. I would've taken some drat escort quests with me if they'd used the proper name :argh:

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Hatter106 posted:

Welp I'm stuck at the Shadow Fort. Every gate is locked, the Frontier Caverns are a dead-end, and all the holes say they're for small people.
What the hell am I supposed to do?

EDIT: also, it pissed me off that the "Stone of the South" turned out to be the Shadow Fort. I would've taken some drat escort quests with me if they'd used the proper name :argh:

You can't go into the hole to the left of the gate? I thought that was the only way in.

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

Hatter106 posted:

Welp I'm stuck at the Shadow Fort. Every gate is locked, the Frontier Caverns are a dead-end, and all the holes say they're for small people.
What the hell am I supposed to do?

EDIT: also, it pissed me off that the "Stone of the South" turned out to be the Shadow Fort. I would've taken some drat escort quests with me if they'd used the proper name :argh:

You should have found a lever in a chest. Go back to the upper level of the way you came into the courtyard and use it to open the gate. That'll bring the soldiers in. Help them clear up ALL the goblins on the map and the way will open to the boss.

Isko
May 20, 2008
So I just got the Duchess in Distress quest but I don't want to raise affinity for her but still want to do it. Can I just do the quest and then throw her around a little bit afterwards or something? What can you do to lower affinity?

Vitamean
May 31, 2012

Killing someone can make them not love you as much.

Hatter106
Nov 25, 2006

bolshi fight za homosex

Lotish posted:

You should have found a lever in a chest. Go back to the upper level of the way you came into the courtyard and use it to open the gate. That'll bring the soldiers in. Help them clear up ALL the goblins on the map and the way will open to the boss.

The only chest remaining (up on a platform to the right of the far gate), I can't get to because my goddamn Acquisitor pawns break every crate that gets within their reach. :mad:

How long does it take before crates respawn?

Isko
May 20, 2008

Moldy Taxes posted:

Killing someone can make them not love you as much.

Ha, I thought it might have to be that. So basically I should help her and then when she is nice and safe I will just have to toss her off a cliff.

Vitamean
May 31, 2012

Actually now that I think about it, I'm not sure. I've never done the quest myself, but I hear that she gets taken away from Gransys at the end of the quest. I guess you could just make the person you have you eye on love you more or something.

Clocks
Oct 2, 2007



I did that quest and I had two other maxed-affinity people (Madeleine and Selene). I must not have maxed affinity with the duchess (or I did, and it didn't matter) because guess who got captured by the dragon?

Selene. loving hell.

To be fair at the ending she just kind of jumps on my character, and it looks more like a hug than anything, so I'm not reading into any pedoshit here.

PunkBoy
Aug 22, 2008

You wanna get through this?
Pride Before a Fall

Man, Julien is an rear end in a top hat. Although. I thought it was pretty fitting though to give Mercedes the Arisen's Bond after the duel. :unsmith:

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



Somebody said improving a shopkeeper's affinity can improve their stock.

Is there any problem with just grabbing a ton of items I'm not using from storage and shoving them at a shopkeeper to check this?

Sankis
Mar 8, 2004

But I remember the fella who told me. Big lad. Arms as thick as oak trees, a stunning collection of scars, nice eye patch. A REAL therapist he was. Er wait. Maybe it was rapist?


PunkBoy posted:

Pride Before a Fall

Man, Julien is an rear end in a top hat. Although. I thought it was pretty fitting though to give Mercedes the Arisen's Bond after the duel. :unsmith:

What's the Arisen's Bond?

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe

Sankis posted:

What's the Arisen's Bond?

It's an item you get for completing the tablet quest that unlocks after you finish The Witch Hunt. To start the quest just go back to where that one ends and get the item there.

It doesn't really do anything except instantly max out affinity with whoever you give it to.

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006

Moldy Taxes posted:

Actually now that I think about it, I'm not sure. I've never done the quest myself, but I hear that she gets taken away from Gransys at the end of the quest. I guess you could just make the person you have you eye on love you more or something.

The Duchess does get taken by the Dragon if she's your love interest and have done that quest, she says that she was on her way to her home country when he snatched her.

Post game stuff about the same character the game tells me that I have maxed out affinity with two people (Madeleine and Aelinore) and when Madeleine opened her new shop up in Cassardis she was still sporting the pink halo of love, apparently I got the harem ending even if Aelinore is the only one who actually showed up in my house.

I know it's probably more of an :effort: thing on the part of the programmers but I totally love that the game makes no distinctions between the genders for your character's affections. :allears:

Vitamean
May 31, 2012

You can also craft Arisen's Bonds with a Noonflower and some other item that you also didn't know existed.

PunkBoy
Aug 22, 2008

You wanna get through this?

Sankis posted:

What's the Arisen's Bond?

After Witch Hunt, you can go back to where Gran's grave is and get a tablet. After taking it to the church, you take it to the Dragonforged, and it turns into a ring. It maxes out affection for a character and I think overwrites everything else regarding romance option. I just thought it would be fitting for my character to do to show Mercede's he's got her back.

see you tomorrow
Jun 27, 2009

The Cheshire Cat posted:

It's an item you get for completing the tablet quest that unlocks after you finish The Witch Hunt. To start the quest just go back to where that one ends and get the item there.

It doesn't really do anything except instantly max out affinity with whoever you give it to.

I gave it to Quina but got a second one after the event with Elysion and the Dragon at the Greatwall. I thought it might be meant as a hint that the Dragon had her. Is that not typical? I still have it.

MadJackMcJack
Jun 10, 2009
This is my biggest beef with the game, that the quest system is so unintuative that I ended up missing all of these quests that you're all talking about. Hell, the credits popped up with the various characters and their voice actors and I hadn't even seen two of them! Maybe if they'd used the notice board to provide more breadcrumbs....

Q-sixtysix
Jun 4, 2005

Zereth posted:

Somebody said improving a shopkeeper's affinity can improve their stock.

Is there any problem with just grabbing a ton of items I'm not using from storage and shoving them at a shopkeeper to check this?

Be careful on how much affinity you get with Caxton :smith:

Isko
May 20, 2008
So will I have enough time to kill her at the end of the Duchess in Distress quest to lower her affinity? I already [spoilers]gave the Arisen's Bond[/spoilers] to someone else so I assume I just have to lower her's enough so it's not maxed out.

Cakeequals
Jun 15, 2011

I'm going to make sweet love to him! FROM THE BACK!!
RRRRRRRRR
Man, so I just hit the Ur-Dragon with the Maker's Finger (super instant death arrow), and it only took a bar or so off his health. I'm honestly not sure what I was expecting.

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

When I got Salmonet's Grimoire I killed all the bandits in the castle. Now when I go back there, Maul has a quest marker over his head, but everybody goes nuts and tries to kill me when I get close. So I killed them all again. Am I hosed or will this eventually stop or something?

Fighter is starting to grow on me but I still don't understand the core skill that apparently (if I'm reading this right) reduces damage or downtime when you get knocked over if you time a button press correctly. I've never gotten this to work, although I've pressed it pretty close to right when I hit the ground. Is it just really specific timing or are you supposed to do it at a different moment?

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Sometimes it cracks me up how souless the NPC's are. It's so gamey the way they don't react to anything at all. Break out of jail on front of a guard? Who cares? Steal some guys book he is reading? No prob. Just do whatever the gently caress you want and if it isn't in the quest log it won't matter.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

NESguerilla posted:

Sometimes it cracks me up how souless the NPC's are. It's so gamey the way they don't react to anything at all. Break out of jail on front of a guard? Who cares? Steal some guys book he is reading? No prob. Just do whatever the gently caress you want and if it isn't in the quest log it won't matter.
My favorite is when you break out of your prison cell just before the guard comes to take a bribe, he'll still take one even then.

Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

On the moon... they don't make Neo Kobe Pizza.

Gestalt Intellect posted:

Fighter is starting to grow on me but I still don't understand the core skill that apparently (if I'm reading this right) reduces damage or downtime when you get knocked over if you time a button press correctly. I've never gotten this to work, although I've pressed it pretty close to right when I hit the ground. Is it just really specific timing or are you supposed to do it at a different moment?

I just mash the button before I hit the ground and it usually works.

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

NESguerilla posted:

Sometimes it cracks me up how souless the NPC's are. It's so gamey the way they don't react to anything at all. Break out of jail on front of a guard? Who cares? Steal some guys book he is reading? No prob. Just do whatever the gently caress you want and if it isn't in the quest log it won't matter.

I think I like the NPCs being so unresponsive. At one point in Gyoru's stream he couldn't beat some bandits, so he grabbed a random guard off the road and repeatedly threw him forward until he reached the bandits again. The guard actually helped and he won.

RME
Feb 20, 2012

I think a moment that has really made this game for me was when I encountered the ogre in the Everfall for the first time. Of course I tried to kill it by climbing that fucker and he was just like "gently caress that" and threw himself backwards, killing me instantly. It was quite a shock. Also what's with mage pawns that lack the elemental weapon enchants, they are so good (at least at this level)

Count Uvula
Dec 20, 2011

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So starting a new game (not plus) doesn't let you keep your dyes and other RC related things.

Det_no
Oct 24, 2003
So I don't know if it's really broken or something but changing my pawn from Challenger/Scather to Challenger/Medicant seems to have fixed the "don't attack anything until it's literally dead" tendency she had. Hopefully that will make her better.

Ratios and Tendency
Apr 23, 2010

:swoon: MURALI :swoon:


Manatee Cannon posted:

As much as I love this game, it does not deserve amazing reviews. I'm not a fan of the review scale, but if I had to slap a number on it I'd call it a 7/10.

I don't like fun games with great mechanics either.

Azraden
Oct 26, 2010

Ooh - a crevice

The Moon Monster posted:

Yeah, that's my main complaint. A Dark souls style NG+ system would have increased that games replayability by like 300%.

I honestly don't agree with this. I love the Souls games and how they handle NG+, but I really wouldn't want that to be the norm. Part of the reason Souls' NG+ works so well is because the difficulty of those games is pretty much the selling point. One of my favorite things in NG+ (especially here in DD)is how cathartic it feels knocking the poo poo out of things that gave you lots of trouble before.

quote:

I don't like fun games with great mechanics either.

That's no reason to ignore its flaws.

Nahxela
Oct 11, 2008

Execution
Welp. I think I broke the Nameless Ones/Beware of Ambush quest.
At the encounter by the Waycastle, there was a person trapped in a cage, surrounded by some harpies. The encounter for the quest started, too, but I killed all the harpies first and got the rescue cutscene, then the encounter never really happened. I also ran into the Encampment one, but the sun rose and I don't think I killed all the appropriate bandits, but the music stopped. Did the other two and went to Cassardis, no Zero, went back to each of the spots and nothing happened. Hopefully this gets remedied by quitting the game or something, I don't want to go to NG++ to get that trophy :sigh:

Ratios and Tendency
Apr 23, 2010

:swoon: MURALI :swoon:


Azraden posted:

That's no reason to ignore its flaws.

If the game is fun and engaging and memorable then the flaws don't really matter much do they?

Falcon2001
Oct 10, 2004

Eat your hamburgers, Apollo.
Pillbug
So, I've been playing Mystic Knight, because Warrior not having six special abilities is super bullshit, but I can't see how any other class could be better than MK. Having party buffs, awesome shield abilities (Riposte is amazing for most stuff that isn't a grab), and fairly decent damage makes me wonder why I would bother with something else.

Question: Is there a way to change your build, like height/weight? I'm huge and kind fo want to try a slimmer character.

Question 2: I bought the rune crystal item that gives you unlimited restyles of your character, how do you use it?

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

Falcon2001 posted:

So, I've been playing Mystic Knight, because Warrior not having six special abilities is super bullshit, but I can't see how any other class could be better than MK. Having party buffs, awesome shield abilities (Riposte is amazing for most stuff that isn't a grab), and fairly decent damage makes me wonder why I would bother with something else.

The ability to shoot ten arrows at a time from long range at a weak spot that would normally require you to climb is pretty nice, or knocking things out of the air with a wire-guided arrow.

quote:

Question: Is there a way to change your build, like height/weight? I'm huge and kind fo want to try a slimmer character.

Lower your weight in the character editor when you open it up, there's a chart of the weight classes and their effects in the OP.

quote:

Question 2: I bought the rune crystal item that gives you unlimited restyles of your character, how do you use it?

It's on the title screen for some reason, you have to quit the game and it'll be under Load.

Miijhal
Jul 10, 2011

I am so tired... I am so tired all the time...

Falcon2001 posted:

So, I've been playing Mystic Knight, because Warrior not having six special abilities is super bullshit, but I can't see how any other class could be better than MK. Having party buffs, awesome shield abilities (Riposte is amazing for most stuff that isn't a grab), and fairly decent damage makes me wonder why I would bother with something else.
All three of the Hybrid classes are significantly better than the others. Part of it is due to some really good skills, and part of it is due to access to low-charge time elemental skills that give a good boost to damage output, although Assassins are fairly lacking in that regard.

On that note, I can't help but feel like Assassins aren't quite as good as the other two hybrid classes. I haven't tried them with swords or shields, but they don't get many decent dagger skills and all their bow skills feel really weak for their high stamina cost. It seems like they're just there for their attunements, which can be put on other classes.

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Blunt Force Trauma
Mar 16, 2008

No one gives a fuck about shit.
So fuck your shit.
We fuck shit up,
Cause shit's fucked anyway.
Shit is run in to the ground.

I don't wanna think about it,
I just wanna get down.
So I was doing an escort quest from the first town to Shadow Fortress.

I ran in to a fuckload of Saurians all at one time - not a problem, I'm a Magic Archer, my Sixfold Bolt does ice damage. There were so many that it was still a little rough but I got through it.

I go a little further and run in to a Chimera. It's taking forever to go down. Escort guy gets within an inch of death multiple times. My pawns die at least twice each, but we take it down.

I'm getting a little worried that nightfall is about to set in, but we press onward. Then I run in to a Goblin Ambush and an armored Cyclops. This thing takes forever to kill but we eventually get it, well after the sun has gone down.

It's nighttime and I'm scared. I'm still trying to escort this dumb old man.

Then we run in to a loving drake and it kills him in one hit. This loving game.

Edit: I'm currently running for my life with three dead pawns. I hear the wings of the drake flapping in the night sky. I can't stop. Chowing down on nuts and mushrooms as I run. If I stop I'm dead :(

Edit 2: Okay, I made it to Shadow Fortress. I missed the camp along the way. I'm out of healing items. gently caress.

Blunt Force Trauma fucked around with this message at 10:54 on Jun 1, 2012

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