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Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

What we're saying is now is a very bad time to buy a sub-$200 Android tablet.

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right arm
Oct 30, 2011

It always is a bad time to buy a sub-$200 Android tablet.

butt dickus
Jul 7, 2007

top ten juiced up coaches
and the top ten juiced up players
$150? It still looks like it has some corners left.

e: I guess that's probably not the actual device since a nexus device is unlikely to have any manufacturer branding on the front.

butt dickus fucked around with this message at 21:07 on May 31, 2012

GUITAR VILLAIN
Jan 27, 2008

I have come here to play guitar and kick ass... and I'm all outta strings.
e; On second thought, this was probably a better fit for the "Recommend Me a Tablet Thread." My mistake.

GUITAR VILLAIN fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Jun 1, 2012

Posting Principle
Dec 10, 2011

by Ralp
I asked about this in the "Recommend a tablet" thread and got some very helpful answers, but I figured I'd ask here as well since there would probably be a higher concentration of people with experience.

I need an Android 4.x tablet for work. The most important thing is stock Android. The two recommendations were the Transformer and Xoom. Of the two, the Transformer seems to be the better option because of the keyboard, but it comes with Asus software. I've read that Asus has an unlocking tool available. Does this mean I can unlock it, wipe it, and just point it to some Google server to grab updates? I'm probably really misunderstanding this since I have zero experience with the Android ecosystem.

The other option is waiting for the rumoured Nexus tablet, but it looks like that might not be until very late this year?

edit: Should mention that the Xoom doesn't seem like a great option because apparently only the American version gets updates straight from Google.

Posting Principle fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Jun 1, 2012

underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747
You get the updates from Asus server after they make it work on the transformer and what they said in the other thread was "There's a button you press that turns off all the stuff Asus have changed". Obviously this doesn't include changes they've made to make it work with the hardware but apart from that it should be stock as far as I know.

If you get the wifi version you get updates as soon as the manufacturer makes them available but if you get a 3g one you have to wait until the provider approves it

Kabuki Shipoopi
Jun 22, 2007

If I fall, you don't get the head, right? If you lose the head, you're fucked!


Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:

$150? It still looks like it has some corners left.

e: I guess that's probably not the actual device since a nexus device is unlikely to have any manufacturer branding on the front.

What am I missing here? It sounds like this is going to be a 720p, Tegra 3, 7 inch tablet for sub 200 dollars. What's so bad about that?

I could be misinterpreting the intention of the quoted posts though... :ohdear:

This is nothing but good news to me even though it seems heavily steeped in speculation. I have a budget of about $250.00 for a tablet. If NVIDIA can somehow roll out that Tegra 3 for sub 150, that should plummet the price of some of the existing T3 10.1 inch tabs which is music to my ears.

Kynetx
Jan 8, 2003


Full of ignorant tribalism. Kinda sad.

The Monarch posted:

This is exactly why I want to see tests like this before I buy any touch device. I really couldn't tolerate that at all.

While I can appreciate the disappointment people feel with halfassed implementations, outside of Draw Something, is this causing you distress in the day-to-day use of your tablet?
As for myself, I won't bother getting worked up about the accuracy of a capacitive digitizer since a fingertip is a very imprecise sort of stylus. I was pretty excited about the HTC Flyer until I bought and promptly returned one, and then the Lenovo tablet until it was reviewed. In the mean time, Evernote, Dropbox, Skitch and Thumb keyboard have proven to be satisfactory for taking notes which can sometimes be highly technical and visual in my everyday work environment. A proper Wacom digitizer would have been nice, but the keyboard on my Transformer makes data entry pretty fast when I need to pound out a lot of text that isn't English words.

butt dickus
Jul 7, 2007

top ten juiced up coaches
and the top ten juiced up players

Sharkelberry posted:

What am I missing here? It sounds like this is going to be a 720p, Tegra 3, 7 inch tablet for sub 200 dollars. What's so bad about that?

I could be misinterpreting the intention of the quoted posts though... :ohdear:

This is nothing but good news to me even though it seems heavily steeped in speculation. I have a budget of about $250.00 for a tablet. If NVIDIA can somehow roll out that Tegra 3 for sub 150, that should plummet the price of some of the existing T3 10.1 inch tabs which is music to my ears.
Rastor was saying that it would be stupid to buy a known lovely $150 tablet (the Newegg daily deal) when there's a (probably) better one around the corner for the same price. My post was a joke about corners being cut to meet that price point. Other offerings in that price range have not had favorable reviews, but we don't really know much about it right now.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


Verizon has finally approved IMM76K to go out for the LTE Xoom.

http://www.droid-life.com/2012/06/01/ice-cream-sandwich-for-the-xoom-lte-on-verizon-approved/

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/7031732/Preview-Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-2-10-1

This seems to suggest there could be a Galaxy Tab 2 with a quad core in the works.

SeaWolf
Mar 7, 2008
Well here I am again.

My TFP has broken AGAIN. This time the camera sensor is hosed up because now it just displays green static.

I've got another RMA with Asus and they want me to send the tablet in. I complained tho high hell about the first time it broke, recieving it back after a month with cosmetic damage. And they still want me to send the goddamned thing in before they will even attempt to placate me...

If I send this in for repairs again, I will have had this thing in my possession for less than half the time I've owned it and spent an additional $50-60 on shipping.


I will never purchase another Asus product again, this is ridiculous.

Kazy
Oct 23, 2006

0x38: FLOPPY_INTERNAL_ERROR

I can't wait to see what the ASUS Nexus tablet will be like. :allears:

right arm
Oct 30, 2011

Asus'd again.

underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747

SeaWolf posted:

Well here I am again.

My TFP has broken AGAIN. This time the camera sensor is hosed up because now it just displays green static.

I've got another RMA with Asus and they want me to send the tablet in. I complained tho high hell about the first time it broke, recieving it back after a month with cosmetic damage. And they still want me to send the goddamned thing in before they will even attempt to placate me...

If I send this in for repairs again, I will have had this thing in my possession for less than half the time I've owned it and spent an additional $50-60 on shipping.


I will never purchase another Asus product again, this is ridiculous.

Wow, this really sucks. I was going to get a tfp at the end of the year to upgrade my tf101 but everything I read makes me want to get the tf300 instead.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.

GreatKesh posted:

Wow, this really sucks. I was going to get a tfp at the end of the year to upgrade my tf101 but everything I read makes me want to get the tf300 instead.

Why would that story make you want to buy a different asus tablet.

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
Anecdotal sure, but I've had zero problems with the TF300 and it's one of the best devices I've ever used. No dust - some very minor lightbleed in the lower right corner - and otherwise it's exactly what I wanted in a tablet.

The TF300 appears as though it went through a much more stringent QC process than the other TF devices, at least.

eric
Apr 27, 2004
Lipstick Apathy

GreatKesh posted:

Wow, this really sucks. I was going to get a tfp at the end of the year to upgrade my tf101 but everything I read makes me want to get the tf300 instead.

Why would you ever want to buy an Asus tablet after reading all of the horror stories about how poorly built they are and how bad their support is?

Dr. Video Games 0050
Nov 28, 2007

a shameful boehner posted:

Anecdotal sure, but I've had zero problems with the TF300 and it's one of the best devices I've ever used. No dust - some very minor lightbleed in the lower right corner - and otherwise it's exactly what I wanted in a tablet.

The TF300 appears as though it went through a much more stringent QC process than the other TF devices, at least.
One of the best devices you ever used is bleeding light from a manufacturer defect

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:

One of the best devices you ever used is bleeding light from a manufacturer defect

And?

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007

Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:

One of the best devices you ever used is bleeding light from a manufacturer defect

Hey, with money you've spent reregistering because of poo poo posts like these, you might almost be able to afford a proprietary fruit connector or two! Clearly light bleeding is an Android Tablet issue only.

right arm
Oct 30, 2011

Too bad Apple doesn't charge you to exchange it, unlike Asus. And Apple doesn't even break your screen and blame you!

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Apple/Android is the best/worst.

This is the Android thread. Discuss the relative merits of Apple and Android somewhere else. Preferably nowhere.

Example of when it's OK to talk about Apple in this thread:

some person posted:

Hey guys which Android tablet has insert-Apple-only-feature-here?

some reasonable person posted:

None. That's only available on the iPad. Android has a great/good/terrible alternative that's called something-or-the-other.

An example of a bad response to the previous question:

some fuckwit who has identity tied up with his tablet posted:


lol as if

alternatively:

another fuckwit posted:

Apple is the only company capable of such amazing technology. Google is a failure.

Appropriate response for everyone else to these posts:

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

Thermopyle posted:

This is the Android thread. Discuss the relative merits of Apple and Android somewhere else. Preferably nowhere.
No way! We have the perfect place for that! :getin:

Kynetx
Jan 8, 2003


Full of ignorant tribalism. Kinda sad.

Thermopyle posted:

Apple/Android is the best/worst.

This is the Android thread. Discuss the relative merits of Apple and Android somewhere else. Preferably nowhere.

Example of when it's OK to talk about Apple in this thread:



An example of a bad response to the previous question:


alternatively:


Appropriate response for everyone else to these posts:

Jesus Christ, thank you.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell


Oh gently caress yeah.

That's what happens when you let a dummy do modding...he forgets!

underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747

Don Lapre posted:

Why would that story make you want to buy a different asus tablet.

Because I never see any complaints about the tf300 and I really like my tf101

Posting Principle
Dec 10, 2011

by Ralp

GreatKesh posted:

Because I never see any complaints about the tf300 and I really like my tf101

Hey cool this is my chance to complain about the TF300 I got for work.

It tends to freeze for a fraction of a second when you do anything with the UI, and the browser tiles and stutters like crazy. I'd call it a cheap piece of junk, but it's not even cheap. The TF300 with a dock costs the same as a 16gb WiFi iPad.

This thing will never get unplugged from the build box it's hooked up to. I don't understand how this is considered an acceptable device at that price.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

A little stutter is normal for a little while after first activating an Android device. If it's still happening on day 2 then that's not normal. Have you tried changing the performance v. battery options?

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007

computers posted:

Hey cool this is my chance to complain about the TF300 I got for work.

It tends to freeze for a fraction of a second when you do anything with the UI, and the browser tiles and stutters like crazy. I'd call it a cheap piece of junk, but it's not even cheap. The TF300 with a dock costs the same as a 16gb WiFi iPad.

This thing will never get unplugged from the build box it's hooked up to. I don't understand how this is considered an acceptable device at that price.

I don't know if you're on outdated firmware or what, but I've had mine for a few weeks and never encountered either UI lag or tiling. Where are you encountering UI slowdown.

Maybe you should just tell your employer you refuse to work on non-Apple devices? :shobon:

ex post facho fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Jun 2, 2012

underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747

computers posted:

Hey cool this is my chance to complain about the TF300 I got for work.

It tends to freeze for a fraction of a second when you do anything with the UI, and the browser tiles and stutters like crazy. I'd call it a cheap piece of junk, but it's not even cheap. The TF300 with a dock costs the same as a 16gb WiFi iPad.

This thing will never get unplugged from the build box it's hooked up to. I don't understand how this is considered an acceptable device at that price.

I had that happen for the first charge on my tf101 and after the battery drained and was fully recharged it stopped happening. You literally just got yours so give it a day

randyest
Sep 1, 2004

by R. Guyovich

Rastor posted:

A little stutter is normal for a little while after first activating an Android device. If it's still happening on day 2 then that's not normal. Have you tried changing the performance v. battery options?
Why is that normal and why/how would a thing get faster or less laggy / stuttery over time?

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Because it's thrashing the poo poo out of the flash storage when you first activate it.

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

randyest posted:

Why is that normal and why/how would a thing get faster or less laggy / stuttery over time?

Android tends to get stuttery when its syncing stuff or updating apps in the background.

When you first put your Google account into a new Android device it syncs all kinds of stuff (including your Contacts, Calendar, Picasa web albums, Browser bookmarks etc) and a lot of the shipped apps will immediately require updating.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.

Rastor posted:

A little stutter is normal for a little while after first activating an Android device. If it's still happening on day 2 then that's not normal. Have you tried changing the performance v. battery options?
Why is this acceptable, why should a user have to gently caress with performance options.

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

Don Lapre posted:

Why is this acceptable, why should a user have to gently caress with performance options.

No one is arguing what is and isn't acceptable, just what is happening and some possible things to try.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Don Lapre posted:

Why is this acceptable, why should a user have to gently caress with performance options.

It's acceptable for certain subsets of the population. If the user didn't have the options, it would mean the manufacturer made a choice for them. In this example, somebody, somewhere, whether its the user or the manufacturer, has to make the choices that balance how soon syncing gets done versus how responsive the UI is vs how much power the CPU/GPU is drawing vs how much battery life the device has.

So, to answer your question, "Why is this acceptable?": It is or is not acceptable depending on your priorities and what you value.

Also that^^.

However, I suspect you know this and just wanted to make a snipe.

Bonxai
May 2, 2011
Louis C.K. would like to have a word with anyone complaining that their magic device isn't perfect enough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grxL5umOE6g

But more on topic and less about Apple/Android, would it be a huge mistake to buy a TF300 now that the next dual booting Android/Win 8 tablet has been announced? I'd love to have such a thing, but knowing Asus it will take forever before it's released, and I've already waited that long for the Infinity that's never coming out. Maybe my best option will be to get a 300 and sell it when the new one comes out.

Glimm
Jul 27, 2005

Time is only gonna pass you by

Bonxai posted:

But more on topic and less about Apple/Android, would it be a huge mistake to buy a TF300 now that the next dual booting Android/Win 8 tablet has been announced? I'd love to have such a thing, but knowing Asus it will take forever before it's released, and I've already waited that long for the Infinity that's never coming out. Maybe my best option will be to get a 300 and sell it when the new one comes out.

There's always going to be a next great device. I'd probably at least way until IO to see if something amazing is coming (cheapo T3 Nexus tablet at 7"?) but otherwise if you've tested one of the current generation tablets and like it, I'd just grab it. You can always sell it and use that to help feed your addiction when the next model comes out.

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ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007

Bonxai posted:

But more on topic and less about Apple/Android, would it be a huge mistake to buy a TF300 now that the next dual booting Android/Win 8 tablet has been announced?

No. But try it out for yourself at a retail store if you can. If it works for your needs now and you aren't wedded to a particular ecosystem, get it. Constantly worrying that your device is going to be replaced by newer technology is silly, that is the nature of technology.

ex post facho fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Jun 2, 2012

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