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I think it's also important to consider that one reason why a business leader isn't an identical job to a representative or executive position in government is that the goal is different. Some government proposals make sense not because they improve the economy or result in a net increase in tax revenues or save us money. Not everything has to be about the economic benefits of a proposal, but recently there's been a lot of market creep into politics. Things like unemployment insurance and housing support for families living in poverty is something the government should do because it's helping the misfortunate is a legitimate end goal of government. Even if that cost the taxpayers with no discernable return on the payments. It's great if that's a side effect, but lately the economic benefits are touted as the primary purpose of almost any given proposal instead of a moral argument about what government should be doing. I think that serves to confuse the idea of what government is and reinforce the "run government like a business" mindset. Anyway this is getting a bit off the subject of crazy political emails so I'll cut myself short here.
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darthbob88 posted:I still want an explanation of that "make your problems become other peoples problems" line, but I agree. Well, it's not just small businesses and maybe I've just seen lovely small businesses but it's stuff like the practice of employees being paid primarily in tips, it's the employer's job to pay employees but with tipping the burden is shifted to customers. (I'm not saying that small businesses have conspired to do this but they benefit from it). Small businesses are notorious for tax evasion, While it's true that large corporations have their own ways of avoiding taxes, sole proprietorships are where most of the tax fraud occurs. I don't know, maybe it's overblown in my head but I don't think small business owners deserve all the rear end kissing that they get. In my city, we recently had an election for mayor and this guy who is notable for owning a successful restaurant nearly won: quote:Smaller, Smarter Government This is the kind of thinking that leads to us selling our capital building and renting it back, then buying it back at a huge loss.
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darthbob88 posted:I still want an explanation of that "make your problems become other peoples problems" line, but I agree. Don't remember just where it was or what the study was called, but Scandinavia, with their high taxes and wide social safety nets, actually has more/better entrepreneurs than the US, because the consequences of a failed business are much less severe. This one? http://www.inc.com/magazine/20110201/in-norway-start-ups-say-ja-to-socialism.html
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nm posted:but I wouldn't have to deal with healthcare costs (for me or employees - this was even IDed as the reason the newest honda plant was built in Canada and not the US) and there'd be some sort of safety net if I failed. Honda? Are you thinking of the Toyota plant where they said that was one of two reasons (the other being the Alabama workers being too illiterate, increasing their training costs)? Or did this actually happen twice?
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VideoTapir posted:Honda? Are you thinking of the Toyota plant where they said that was one of two reasons (the other being the Alabama workers being too illiterate, increasing their training costs)? Or did this actually happen twice? Must have happened twice. This was the engine plant in Alliston, ON (honda has several plants there) that opened in 2008. I've heard that this has been a motivator for many companies. Look at GM's spending on health care. It is only needed in the US. Completely insane and makes us less competitive. nm fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Jun 3, 2012 |
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Jun 3, 2012 07:18
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nm posted:Must have happened twice. This was the engine plant in Alliston, ON (honda has several plants there) that opened in 2008. BUT TAXES
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VideoTapir posted:BUT TAXES The great thing is that with a proper UHC system you could actually cut taxes *and* remove all private healthcare costs - as an incredibly wise man posted in the healthcare thread: goddamnedtwisto posted:Actually I'll just repeat and expand the parenthetical part of what I just said because it needs repeating again and again and again: The US Government spends more on healthcare than the UK. That *excludes* the private healthcare market. You could have a better-funded National Health Service in the US and actually *lower* taxes, and nobody would have to pay a single penny in private insurance. All you have to do is say a daily pledge of allegiance to Karl Marx, or just admit that what happened in 1776 was just youthful high spirits and ask old Liz if she would mind you coming back.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:ask old Liz if she would mind you coming back. Too late, we're dismantling the NHS and moving towards a more American style version of healthcare as we speak 
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Jun 3, 2012 14:14
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Z-Magic posted:Too late, we're dismantling the NHS and moving towards a more American sttle version of healthcare as we speak Shut up, you'll scare them off and we'll need their guns come The Glorious Day.
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nm posted:I've heard that this has been a motivator for many companies. Look at GM's spending on health care. It is only needed in the US. Completely insane and makes us less competitive. It's certainly an advantage, but it didn't sway GM's decision this week to close wind down production at an Impala/Equinox plant in Oshawa, killing 2000 jobs in the process.
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As far as the promotion of the CEO President idea, that's the result of 30 years or more of absolute, rentlesss fetishization of the private sector and demonization of the public sector in American public discourse that has gone relatively unchallenged, and so it eventually becomes internalized by most people. The end result is you even get people who are salaried government employees (like some of the conservative military doctors I used to work with) blindly accepting and repeating the idea that it's not possible for people who aren't working for a profit to do their job efficiently, productively, or with pride, without taking a moment to reflect on how this reflects on their own reality. I suppose the end result is that we will eventually get candidates running directly for the presidency omitting the step where you have to get some kind of statewide elected office on your resume first. As far as the small business thing goes, I really think the focus their is primarily because the optics are better. Even many conservatives realize on a gut level how evil big corporations can be (even if they really want to own or run one), so it's a lot easier to focus sympathetic propaganda on Grandma's Flower Shop or Old Bob's Bait and Tackle Shop that the average person can identify with, even though the policies may actually primarily favor "small" businesses with hundreds or even thousands of employees that are nothing like the ones in the political ads or speeches.
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miscellaneous14 posted:His response was something to the likes of "most recordings of temperatures rising in the US, Russia, and Western Europe are made in heat sinks like parking lots or behind buildings. My point of linking this was to illustrate how global climate changed is often erroneously based on local results".
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The Dark One posted:It's certainly an advantage, but it didn't sway GM's decision this week to close wind down production at an Impala/Equinox plant in Oshawa, killing 2000 jobs in the process.
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Zwabu posted:As far as the promotion of the CEO President idea, that's the result of 30 years or more of absolute, rentlesss fetishization of the private sector and demonization of the public sector in American public discourse that has gone relatively unchallenged, and so it eventually becomes internalized by most people. The end result is you even get people who are salaried government employees (like some of the conservative military doctors I used to work with) blindly accepting and repeating the idea that it's not possible for people who aren't working for a profit to do their job efficiently, productively, or with pride, without taking a moment to reflect on how this reflects on their own reality. I think it's also why you see people complain that public sector jobs have better benefits than private sector jobs. The implication is that public sector jobs should have their benefits reduced to match private sector jobs instead of encouraging companies to attach more benefits to their jobs. It's ridiculous at first glance, but when you realize that lots of people think that every job ever should be a direct copy of how the private sector does something (because the private sector does no wrong), then it makes more sense. That, and a lot of spite towards public employees actually having benefits.  Also, the implication that people need a financial incentive to do anything shows how horribly out of touch the person saying it is. They think they're smart and that they're stating ~*tHe TrUtH*~, but in reality they sound like a lovely version of Spock that's never talked to anyone in five years.
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closeted republican posted:I think it's also why you see people complain that public sector jobs have better benefits than private sector jobs. The implication is that public sector jobs should have their benefits reduced to match private sector jobs instead of encouraging companies to attach more benefits to their jobs. It's ridiculous at first glance, but when you realize that lots of people think that every job ever should be a direct copy of how the private sector does something (because the private sector does no wrong), then it makes more sense. A big part of this though, is really an effort from Conservatives to turn people against public workers, and I assume really directing it at Unions. The implication is that public worker compensation is "out of control" and its all the fault of Unions. When in reality, comparing "Public Sector" and "Private Sector" workers is really a case of "Apple v. Orange". They try to compare "average pay and benefits" but it doesn't work. The private sector is full of low wage, low education, low skill jobs: cashiers at Wal-Mart, just about anything in Fast Food, hotel maid service, waiters/waitresses, call center workers, etc. There's almost none of that in the Public Sector. There is a little bit, but not very much. Most Public Sector employees have high levels of education and skills. All teachers have at least a four year degree, many (most?) have Master's, and some have Doctorates. Then you have FBI and CIA agents. Accountants in every department. Lawyers in the Justice Department, IRS, and probably a ton of others. Civil Engineers, Nuclear Engineers, Environmental Engineers. Doctors and other medical researchers at the CDC. The list goes on and on. The government does very specific things and nearly all of them require a lot of education or skills. And when you compare specific jobs in the Public Sector, to jobs that the same person might work in the Private Sector, you find that their compensation is comparable, and its not uncommon for it to actually be worse.
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Got this one today:quote:Once upon a time.... in the early August of 2012... legendary ... aging... I'm confused as to what it's trying to say. Is it just trotting out a bunch of "liberal" boogeymen and going HEY GUYS SPOOKY RIGHT? The inclusion of Michelle Obama is baffling.
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Jun 4, 2012 18:17
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AndNowMax posted:Got this one today: "Thoughts?" Up the dose on your Clozapine.
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AndNowMax posted:Got this one today: Why would the Senate confirm him as a Justice?
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Mo_Steel posted:Why would the Senate confirm him as a Justice? Shut up. Your reality is ruining my paranoia.
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Mo_Steel posted:Why would the Senate confirm him as a Justice? Hey, it worked for Taft, although he was out of office for 8 years before being appointed to the Court.
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constantIllusion posted:Hey, it worked for Taft, although he was out of office for 8 years before being appointed to the Court. Right, he didn't appoint himself. If President Hillary Clinton appointed Obama, I could see it happening, maybe, possibly. But the Senate would never approve of any President appointing themselves to the SC.
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Why would Ginsberg resign BEFORE the general election? Why would Obama want to take her place on the Court with a progressive minority? Why would Obama be the only person to fill that spot? Why would Biden resign the Vice Presidency? What the hell does Michelle Obama have to do with anything? There's a million questions surrounding it, but mostly I just want to know... why? Most of the fwd:fwd:re:fwds I get have a fairly obvious agenda (Obama supporters are dumb, Obama doesn't have a law degree, Obama supported the Vietcong), but I don't know what I'm supposed to be getting out of this one. It reads like some weird stoner fantasy of "what if... MICHELLE Obama was president? Oh poo poo dude, think about it!"
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AndNowMax posted:It reads like some weird stoner fantasy of "what if... MICHELLE Obama was president? Oh poo poo dude, think about it!" Every day would be "Cheeseburger Appreciation Day" by Presidential fiat because MOOchelle is such a fatty you know. Edit: which, of course, would totally lock up the stoner vote.
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CarterUSM posted:Every day would be "Cheeseburger Appreciation Day" by Presidential fiat because MOOchelle is such a fatty you know. I have yet to figure out where the "Michelle is a fatty" stuff comes from. The woman is fit as hell.
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CarterUSM posted:Every day would be "Cheeseburger Appreciation Day" by Presidential fiat because MOOchelle is such a fatty you know. No, it would be "Give The President A Cheeseburger Day." Remember, her healthy eating campaign is just so she can hoard all the junk food for herself.
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Jun 5, 2012 00:53
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Senor Gato posted:It came from the same place as "John Kerry is a pussy" and "Barack Obama needs a teleprompter to tell him how to put together a full sentence." Plus it segues well with a "heh, she just wants us to all eat broccoli so SHE can have all the cheeseburgers" joke. I also wonder if part of it is a dogwhistle for a "black chicks sure got some fat asses don't they?!" meme, too.
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CarterUSM posted:I also wonder if part of it is a dogwhistle for a "black chicks sure got some fat asses don't they?!" meme, too. Probably some, but I think it's at least equal parts "what's the worst thing we could possibly say about a woman?", from a group of people who literally believe women to be inferior and subservient to men. "I know!" they shouted. "We'll call her fat!"
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There is a photo of her eating a cheeseburger once. This caused Limbaugh to start talking about how fat she is.
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Dr Christmas posted:There is a photo of her eating a cheeseburger once. This caused Limbaugh to start talking about how fat she is. The degree of disconnection from reality it would take for a person to hear this and not immediately and automatically think "hypocrite" is absolutely astonishing.
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From my dad's facebook:quote:How many out there are, like me, are really tired of hearing foreign sounding voices and actors pitching products to us in commercials? As if a British or German or whatever accent would entice me to more likely desire that product. NOT. How about using American sounding actors for American audiences.
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Serfer posted:From my dad's facebook: Anyone from the United States, I would imagine.
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Serfer posted:From my dad's facebook: "Y'all gonna wanna buy this here Jaguar XK. It's purty fast and will get'cha laid, no poo poo!"
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Serfer posted:From my dad's facebook: "Ey, pussy, how about ya be a man fer once in your lovely life and buy this electric blender? I ain't sayin it'll make your pecker grow, but I ain't sayin it won't either."
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Serfer posted:From my dad's facebook: Ya know what whatcha really need up ere in da northeast if a Fawd- eff one fiftee. Gotta get outtah the snow and poo poo, make surah yah can drive around.
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Serfer posted:From my dad's facebook: They sound normal, dammit!
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constantIllusion posted:Hey, it worked for Taft, although he was out of office for 8 years before being appointed to the Court. And then he was eaten by wolves.
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Making the rounds on Facebook. I'm not really sure what the point is. Don't tread on me, I guess?quote:PRIVACY NOTICE: Warning - any person and/or institution and/or Agent and/or Agency of any governmental structure including but not limited to the United States Federal Government also using or monitoring/using this website or any of its associated websites, you do NOT have my permission to utilize any of my profile information nor any of the content contained herein including, but not limited to my photos, and/or the comments made about my photos or any other "picture" art posted on my profile.
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Will have the same legal effect as "You're not a cop, right?"
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Brennanite posted:Making the rounds on Facebook. I'm not really sure what the point is. Don't tread on me, I guess? I wonder if he thinks methlabs and grow houses are supes dumb for not just hanging a sign that says "DEA IS NOT ALLOWED IN HERE".
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