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Jimbot posted:If they fine-tune how it works, I'd pay real money for more bosses like the Ur-Dragon. At this point it's slow going, but the idea behind the Ur-Dragon is fantastic. New, big boss that drops a whole new set of treasure. You really think that? Because I have the complete opposite view and want this bullshit to die an ignoble death here and now, never to return. The Ur-Dragon is a terrible fight. VDay posted:It cost a loving dollar dude. None of the DLC is worth a dollar, though.
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Question about Trials and Tribulation: So I didn't complete Land of Opportunity before starting this quest. This means that I can't turn Land of Opportunity in. My pawns keep telling me to get Jasper's family to present their opinion of Fournival at the trial, but they're all stuck in their Land of Opportunity dialogs. Did I screw myself out of getting the Golden Idol? I'm on Day 3 of gathering evidence, I grabbed all of the evidence in town as well as the witness from the Northern Guardpost, but the quest marker at the encampment has disappeared as well.
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Jun 4, 2012 02:18
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Manatee Cannon posted:You really think that? Because I have the complete opposite view and want this bullshit to die an ignoble death here and now, never to return. The Ur-Dragon is a terrible fight. Ur-Dragon is a good idea on paper, but it's getting really ridiculous now. A bunch of games with community growth concepts, like say Noby Noby Boy, eventually tackle on multipliers to make it easier for the community to keep at it. If he's this bad less than 2 weeks in to whittle down, how bad is he gonna be 6 months down the line for newer players? I like the idea of NEW boss fights, that can be cool, but the community idea just isn't working.
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Jun 4, 2012 02:20
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Blunt Force Trauma posted:Question about Trials and Tribulation: The family would testify against Fournival so it's not a big loss. If you get him found innocent you can most likely turn in his quest and do the one to get the idol (and you get to continue buying ferrystones from him for 50% off)
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Jun 4, 2012 02:23
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Regarding the Ur-Dragon, the community idea doesn't have to go but it really should have a point where the HP resets or caps out. Say the HP goes up by 10% per kill, and then caps out at 2x the base amount and resets weekly or something. Either that or just don't increase it at all. 
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Jun 4, 2012 02:27
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Count Uvula posted:The family would testify against Fournival so it's not a big loss. If you get him found innocent you can most likely turn in his quest and do the one to get the idol (and you get to continue buying ferrystones from him for 50% off) That makes sense. So I have, in total, the following evidence: Every quest marker in Gran Soren The witness from the northern guardpost Every forged affadavit of innocence that Reynard had to sell I'm out of quest markers and have two days left to gather evidence, I guess. Is there anything else that's not marked on the map? I'm about to sleep through two days but I don't want the game to save on me and find out that I messed the whole thing up. Edit: Screw it, slept through until the inquest anyway. I'll see what happens. e: Worked out for me  That quest was pretty anticlimactic, I expected some big trial cutscene and for it to be a major plot point
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Jun 4, 2012 02:28
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Policenaut posted:Ur-Dragon is a good idea on paper, but it's getting really ridiculous now. A bunch of games with community growth concepts, like say Noby Noby Boy, eventually tackle on multipliers to make it easier for the community to keep at it. If he's this bad less than 2 weeks in to whittle down, how bad is he gonna be 6 months down the line for newer players? It's not even that, the very concept of the Ur-Dragon has never sat well with me. Just let me fight the boss, game, don't have it run away and make all my work count for nothing (well, you get something for it dying but it's still bullshit). It's not even that the dragon is hard, it's just obnoxious. And getting progressively more so by leaps and bounds, you're right on that account. It doesn't help that my class of choice (sorcerer) is effectively useless against it. That may color my opinion somewhat. If they had to make a multiplayer gimmick fight they should have just went with this boss being legitimately multiplayer instead of this.
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Jun 4, 2012 02:34
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God dammit Did I just get royally hosed over? Decided to do sidequests after the whole ordeal with the worms in the everfall, noticed Mercedes or whatever wanted a escort and figured why not, accepted and realized I had no idea how to get there, come night time I'm back near the starting village and there she is wandering around fighting goblins a mile away from the circle, she doesn't say anything or... anything really. She then starts to follow me and I get jumped by bandits, she dives off a cliff and is now dead, and the quest failed. I'm seriously getting mad that the game just seemed to dick me over for no reason at all
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Jun 4, 2012 02:37
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Alright, so after the trial and completing both Land of Opportunity and Chasing Shadows, how do I start Symone's quest to get the gold idol? I tried sleeping a night off at the inn but Symone still just gives me her regular dialog about how her dad won't tell her anything and doesn't offer me a quest. Is there another prerequisite? Do I need to talk to her at a specific time of day? Edit: Apparently Fournival offers the quest but he doesn't have anything for me either.
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Jun 4, 2012 02:41
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Yeah, beat The Dragon. I like that he gouges your heart out at the start and then you get to repay the favour later on. Actually, Gouge is a pretty great skill. First time I broke it out was for the Dragon. That fight was great. Plus I beat it with a sword, so the reward made me laugh. Title Drop! Oh, and I didn't even recognise the person the Dragon kidnapped. Had to wait until getting back to Cassardis so I could talk to him and see what his name was. It was Ser Maximillian. Either the guy I lugged to the Shadow Fortress, or the Greatwall. But oh no, super-powerful goblins, Hellhounds wandering the countryside, Chimeras chilling on the beach, ahh!  Now Beardface is bright red, with green tattoos, hair, and beard. All different shades. He looks even more hilarious now. This game is brilliant.
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Jun 4, 2012 02:42
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McDragon posted:Oh, and I didn't even recognise the person the Dragon kidnapped. Had to wait until getting back to Cassardis so I could talk to him and see what his name was. It was Ser Maximillian. Either the guy I lugged to the Shadow Fortress, or the Greatwall. 
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Jun 4, 2012 02:45
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Count Uvula posted:They're the guy who gives you the first tier of Wyrmhunt quests, though you probably did escort him somewhere for him to have that high affinity towards you Ha, shows how much I remembered that guy. I always liked shoving him out of the way on the way to the castle. I guess I just remembered him as "the guy I like shoving about".
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Jun 4, 2012 02:50
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I'm having a huge problem at the very end fight as a ranger with a mage pawn. Anyone have any suggestions on what I could do to kill that stupid senechal. I keep grabbing him and getting one-shotted with my pawn not attacking or not killing him with a fireblast
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Jun 4, 2012 03:25
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So I just missed the dialog with the duchess after getting into the castle because I walked several metres forwards and hit a plot flag. Am I missing out much? The drat thing autosaved so I can't go back.
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Jun 4, 2012 03:25
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Psalmanazar posted:So I just missed the dialog with the duchess after getting into the castle because I walked several metres forwards and hit a plot flag. Am I missing out much? The drat thing autosaved so I can't go back. No. You won't be able to get in to the Duke's manse and you're missing out on probably the most hilariously weird part of the game, but it's a pain in the rear end that you can do in earnest in NG+.
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Jun 4, 2012 03:32
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Metrohunter posted:Regarding the Ur-Dragon, the community idea doesn't have to go but it really should have a point where the HP resets or caps out. Say the HP goes up by 10% per kill, and then caps out at 2x the base amount and resets weekly or something. Either that or just don't increase it at all. I agree with this. There's one time I lucked out and walked in while it was near dead to get a lot of good stuff (daggers and sword, which are perfect since those are the two weapons I use, and a staff for my main mage pawn!) but I've been back a few times and can't seem to damage it even a little. As in, I'll dire gouge it and wail away at it and the health bar doesn't seem to move. I understand that it's a communal effort but I've been reading other forums and people will be like "oh, I took off a health bar" and I can't move it a pixel. Might be my level (60) but I don't think it should be that difficult.
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Count Uvula posted:No. You won't be able to get in to the Duke's manse and you're missing out on probably the most hilariously weird part of the game, but it's a pain in the rear end that you can do in earnest in NG+. Oh well. My brother managed no not miss out an entire subplot by walking in the wrong direction so I'll have to keep an eye on his cutscenes.
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Clocks posted:I agree with this. There's one time I lucked out and walked in while it was near dead to get a lot of good stuff (daggers and sword, which are perfect since those are the two weapons I use, and a staff for my main mage pawn!) but I've been back a few times and can't seem to damage it even a little. As in, I'll dire gouge it and wail away at it and the health bar doesn't seem to move. I understand that it's a communal effort but I've been reading other forums and people will be like "oh, I took off a health bar" and I can't move it a pixel. Might be my level (60) but I don't think it should be that difficult. Yeah, you used to be able to dire gouge a bar or two out. A friend of mine on 360 early on got THREE bars on an early generation Ur-Dragon doing that. It's just that each generation keeps building up and now it's getting a tad ridiculous when you consider this game has only been out a little over 2 weeks.
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Jun 4, 2012 03:54
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Argh, Reynard is dead in my game. I escorted Madeline to the Encampment and I guess that overwrote the goblin hold-up involving him. Looks like I won't get that Platinum this playthrough after all. I'll find out for certain come the trial where he sells you the forgeries.
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Jun 4, 2012 03:55
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Policenaut posted:Yeah, you used to be able to dire gouge a bar or two out. A friend of mine on 360 early on got THREE bars on an early generation Ur-Dragon doing that. It's just that each generation keeps building up and now it's getting a tad ridiculous when you consider this game has only been out a little over 2 weeks. Maybe they should reset the generation every month? Is keeping Mercedes's Silver Rapier worthwhile, or should I just sell that son of a bitch for some sweet money?
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Policenaut posted:Yeah, you used to be able to dire gouge a bar or two out. A friend of mine on 360 early on got THREE bars on an early generation Ur-Dragon doing that. It's just that each generation keeps building up and now it's getting a tad ridiculous when you consider this game has only been out a little over 2 weeks. No kidding. I checked on him last night and he was on half of his final health bar. Decided to stick it out until he died. It took until eight in the loving morning. drat if I didn't get on that leaderboard a second time, though. If nothing else the drawn-out fight makes it all the more satisfying.
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Jun 4, 2012 04:00
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Do I need to beat NG+ for the clearing the game twice achievement or can I just make a new dude?
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I just switched from Fighter to Warrior. What's the best stuff? Weapons, armor, skills, augments?
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Jun 4, 2012 04:04
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Sankis posted:Do I need to beat NG+ for the clearing the game twice achievement or can I just make a new dude? Well the achievement isn't for clearing the game twice, it's for clearing the game in NG+, so I guess that answers your question.
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Jun 4, 2012 04:05
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On the plus side, you can clear NG+ really quickly.
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Funkmaster General posted:Well the achievement isn't for clearing the game twice, it's for clearing the game in NG+, so I guess that answers your question. Any idea if it's possible to backup a 360 save? I want to make a new dude just to dick around
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Psalmanazar posted:So I just missed the dialog with the duchess after getting into the castle because I walked several metres forwards and hit a plot flag. Am I missing out much? The drat thing autosaved so I can't go back. You can talk to her the first time you go into the castle? I just explored the courtyard and then ran in to talk to the duke. I've since done about 3 quests for the duke's administrator dude and just assumed all the duchess-related things I'd read about came later, but if not I think I locked myself out of all that. Well I guess if that's the case I won't have to worry about getting jumped by her. Except Selene has a pink glow around her and the innkeeper makes a jingly noise when I talk to him, so I'm not safe yet. I'm afraid of all these harmless NPCs now.  I was going to give Quina's flower to Steffen except I couldn't find him so I slept to reset his position and it wilted. 
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Policenaut posted:Yeah, you used to be able to dire gouge a bar or two out. A friend of mine on 360 early on got THREE bars on an early generation Ur-Dragon doing that. It's just that each generation keeps building up and now it's getting a tad ridiculous when you consider this game has only been out a little over 2 weeks. quote:No kidding. I checked on him last night and he was on half of his final health bar. Decided to stick it out until he died. I can understand him getting somewhat harder (and not kill-able by like 2 people) but I don't have the time (nor am I willing to put in the effort I guess) to attack him for a day before he dies. And as mentioned, I feel really bad for any players who get this a few months down the line if there isn't some kind of reset. Even now I feel kind of frustrated by it. I was lucky enough to wander in on him dead once but ever since then I can't damage him. And I'm not dying or anything stupid like that, and I don't think I'm a poor player or anything.
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Sankis posted:Any idea if it's possible to backup a 360 save? I want to make a new dude just to dick around Yep, just copy/move it over to a USB stick or something and remove the USB to prevent yourself accidentally choosing it when you make a new game.
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Are they going to release a patch to quell Ur-Dragon. It already sounds ridiculous. It won't be fair to someone who picks the game up in September.
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jimcunningham posted:Are they going to release a patch to quell Ur-Dragon. It already sounds ridiculous. It won't be fair to someone who picks the game up in September. They haven't announced any intention to do so, no. Some people are claiming that there's a system in place where, if a kill takes "too long" he becomes weaker the next generation instead of stronger. But I see no evidence that this is the case, nor am I sure where that rumor started. If it's true, it still needs balancing because this next gen does, in fact, seem to be tougher than the last which already took ridiculous amounts of time to kill. Interestingly enough, the PS3 version dragon is at an immensely higher generation. I don't know if this has to do with him being balanced differently or a higher crazy grinding Japanese playerbase or what.
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Funkmaster General posted:Interestingly enough, the PS3 version dragon is at an immensely higher generation. I don't know if this has to do with him being balanced differently or a higher crazy grinding Japanese playerbase or what. I'd expect the PS3 version simply sold more copies. Not that I've seen any statistics but I don't know why else that would be.
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Jun 4, 2012 04:29
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You ever see the stuff the Japanese get up to with the Souls games? It wouldn't surprise me if they took to Dogma the same way.
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Gestalt Intellect posted:I'd expect the PS3 version simply sold more copies. Not that I've seen any statistics but I don't know why else that would be. At least in the first week the better selling version of the game was the PS3 version, and it was all due to the Japanese market. Everywhere else was about 50/50 between 360 and PS3, but something crazy like 70% of the people who have this game are a)in Japan and b)playing on PS3.
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Man, what a loving shame it is that the difficulty doesn't ramp up at all in NG+. Ran around the map for a bit and it's just like shooting fish in a barrel everywhere. There is so much gear I didn't get and so many quests I didn't do but I can't scrape up even the slightest motivation to do them when my character is a powerhouse at lvl 47. Even if they didn't want to put a lot of effort into NG+ it would have been nice if they at least buffed the enemies up. If NG+ involved replacing the old enemies with poo poo from the everfall and the ones on the path to Gran Soren after you beat the Dragon it would have been amazing. At the moment I am kind of kicking myself for even finishing the game. Would have rather done some missed quests for a while. Gestalt Intellect posted:I'd expect the PS3 version simply sold more copies. Not that I've seen any statistics but I don't know why else that would be. wikipedia posted:The game sold 331,064 copies during its first week on sale in Japan, including 302,040 for the PlayStation 3 and 29,024 for the Xbox 360 veni veni veni fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Jun 4, 2012 |
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Jun 4, 2012 04:51
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Funkmaster General posted:Yep, just copy/move it over to a USB stick or something and remove the USB to prevent yourself accidentally choosing it when you make a new game. Even better, I think I can just use my empty USB stick to start a new save. Awesome. Thanks for the info. Since I had the NG+ achievement question answered, what about the quests? Do those only carry forward through the same save or can I finish the remaining ones on a new save, etc? NESguerilla posted:Japan sure likes their ps3 Yeah, 360 is definitely the odd console out over there. Speaking of sales, though, do we know how it did globally yet? 300k sounds well for Japan alone, am I wrong in thinking that?
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I actually found that stat looking to see how it sold in the west and am having a hard time finding any numbers.
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NESguerilla posted:I actually found that stat looking to see how it sold in the west and am having a hard time finding any numbers. It occurred to me after posting that the NPD is probably not out yet, what with it being the 3rd and all. I imagine we'll hear sometime next week.
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Blunt Force Trauma posted:Alright, so after the trial and completing both Land of Opportunity and Chasing Shadows, how do I start Symone's quest to get the gold idol? I tried sleeping a night off at the inn but Symone still just gives me her regular dialog about how her dad won't tell her anything and doesn't offer me a quest. Is there another prerequisite? Do I need to talk to her at a specific time of day? I failed Chasing Shadows but was still able to do this quest which is different to the information being passed around online. It didn't become available to me until I had finished the Catacombs quest. Whether this quest unlocked it or it was simply a matter of leveling up/time passed I don't know. I believe I was level 19 when I got this quest.
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jimcunningham posted:I just switched from Fighter to Warrior. What's the best stuff? Weapons, armor, skills, augments? I won't quote it here because length but I posted some random thoughts on Warriors a bit back since I keep seeing here and elsewhere people struggling with it. TL;DR ver: Weapons and armor is pretty straightforward. The most damage you can get and the most armor you can get. Sinew is practically mandatory. I like Exodus Slash for the short invulnerability window, Corona for AOE, and Arc for taking down anything big and slow. Buy the Core skills for controlled fall and the x, pause, mash x combo asap because it keeps swinging wide instead of the overhead ender. I like Warrior, hope you do too! 
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