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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZuCT4PmurY&feature=related Cat thinks it's a dog. The cat's grin just gets me.  I was having a bad day cause it's probably gonna be months before I get a dog but I'm better now.
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Rixatrix posted:it's just hair. It grows out of hair follicles in the skin, which haven't been touched. It'll grow back in a few months in time for winter. I've never commented when PI folks get up in arms about shaving double coated breeds, but it always confused me. It'll grow back. I've heard in PI that shaving a double-coater will ruin the coat. How? I would like to see pictures or a description of what a coat ruined by shaving looks like. I'm very curious. I don't think I would shave a dog ever, maybe the belly like RazorBunny's friend. But enquiring minds want to know!
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Jun 4, 2012 06:05
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Steezo posted:Buttercup Please do this.  Also post more picture because I think your cat is fantastic
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Jun 4, 2012 07:10
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Radio! posted:Please do this. That's a little scary. Is it gonna eat me?
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Jun 4, 2012 08:13
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One of my college classmates just posted a picture of her basset hound and it is SO fat  I don't think we're close enough anymore for me to say anything, either. Poor chubby pooch.
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Jun 4, 2012 14:04
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adventure in the sandbox posted:I've never commented when PI folks get up in arms about shaving double coated breeds, but it always confused me. It'll grow back. Basically the coat could come back in feeling broken, I've felt guard hairs not grow back properly leaving mostly undercoat or you can deal with a lot of ingrown hairs etc if you shave it too closely, and it generally takes a few shedding cycles to get back to normal, which is important since the coat also keeps the protected against other things such as bugs and brambles. But really, the undercoat is an insulator, which works for both heat and cold. In the heat it is important to keep the dogs well cooled and hydrated, but I'm in the camp that should leave the coat in tact, it does a pretty good job itself for growing in an appropriate amount in the warmer (and colder) months, from all the dogs I've experienced here in Texas (where we broke the record for most days over 100 in the same year and were one day short for breaking the record of days in a row. Last year suuuuuuuuuucked.) Is the dog going to die and get sunburned and skin cancer? No. Do they look dumb? Sure. Should you do it? I never recommend it, but to each their own. vOv But I mean, dogs who are shaved for surgery seem to be okay when their coats grow back in, though it generally takes a while to get back to normal length and texture.
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Jun 4, 2012 14:13
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I could also be dumb but I thought it was mentioned that the dog was shaved because temperatures were reaching the unbelievable heights of 25 degrees Celsius (77 degrees Fahrenheit) but the post seems to have been edited for our safety and maybe I'm wrong
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Jun 4, 2012 14:29
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RazorBunny posted:One of my college classmates just posted a picture of her basset hound and it is SO fat Its a hard subject to broach even when you are close to someone. My parents dogs are overweight and the oldest one has allergy/itching problems but they continue to free feed cheap food. Sam is a decent weight at least. He spends much more time outside chasing birds from feeder to feeder in the yard:  He's never caught one, he just likes to bark at them.
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Jun 4, 2012 14:41
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Levitate posted:I could also be dumb but I thought it was mentioned that the dog was shaved because temperatures were reaching the unbelievable heights of 25 degrees Celsius (77 degrees Fahrenheit) but the post seems to have been edited for our safety and maybe I'm wrong Here is some info on post clipping alopecia from a veterinary dermatology center, which says quote:Post-clipping alopecia results from failure of hair growth after the clipping. It is relatively common in dogs but rare in cats. The exact mechanism is unknown, but one theory is that decreased perfusion of hair follicles, secondary to vasoconstriction due to cooling of the skin by removal of the hair, may lead to premature termination of the growing phase. Also quote:With time hair will re-grow in most animals. Also note that post clipping alopecia isn't the norm.
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Jun 4, 2012 15:08
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Honestly if your dog is overheating in 25 C weather that makes me feel like your dog has some issues because goddamn is that not even remotely hot
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Jun 4, 2012 15:11
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Levitate posted:Honestly if your dog is overheating in 25 C weather that makes me feel like your dog has some issues because goddamn is that not even remotely hot Edit. He was checked pretty thoroughly a while ago when we were figuring out his allergies, so he shouldn't have any hormonal issues or the like. Rixatrix fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Jun 4, 2012 |
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Jun 4, 2012 15:22
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Yeah I think it's a question of what you're used to. I mean, in summer here 30C would be a cooler day, yet in the UK masses of people died when it hit that temperature.
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Jun 4, 2012 15:36
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Why does everyone care? It's her dog. If it fucks up his coat, that's her problem and does not even affect the health of the dog. Even if it affects his ability to self-thermoregulate, obviously she's willing to address that.
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Jun 4, 2012 15:49
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Hey, has anyone here tried making catnip crackers along these lines? http://www.rd.com/food/make-your-own-cat-treats-catnip-crackers/
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Jun 4, 2012 15:53
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Serella posted:Why does everyone care? It's her dog. If it fucks up his coat, that's her problem and does not even affect the health of the dog. Even if it affects his ability to self-thermoregulate, obviously she's willing to address that. This is the internet. Why do you care that people care? 
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Jun 4, 2012 16:02
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Here's a ruined double-coat in early April: This is a before image from early December the previous year: 
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Jun 4, 2012 16:41
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I can't speak for the spitzy-type double coats, but some harsh terrier coats (like those of cairns) definitely get 'spoiled' by clipping, in that if you clip the coat enough times, the hair will grow back silky instead of wirey. I kept our family's old cairn, Meg, clipped (with scissors) when she was in her older years and her coat became very silky. I strip Dan down to his undercoat about twice a year, and he still has a good harsh coat - except where I trim him (lower legs, chest and belly), where it's beginning to grow back silky. I don't have enough experience with the soft double coated breeds to know whether clipping is really as awful as it's made out to be, but I've always been a little skeptical about the skin cancer claim. I guess when it comes to medical claims I always want to see peer reviewed data v  v
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Jun 4, 2012 16:53
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Levitate posted:This is the internet. Why do you care that people care? Because people are getting silly over something fairly trivial.
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Jun 4, 2012 16:54
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wtftastic posted:Because people are getting silly over something fairly trivial. petisland.txt
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Jun 4, 2012 16:55
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notsoape posted:petisland.txt I mean I get incredibly irate over weird things too, but it tends not to be "someone else gave their dog a haircut that I don't like" and is more like, "someone in my lab is a walking safety hazard and might get someone hurt". but yes.
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Jun 4, 2012 16:58
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I have little to no grooming knowledge, but it was my understanding that shaving dogs is just largely unnecessary and the coat is designed to trap cool air against the skin in the summer. I don't think sunburn is really as huge an issue as some people think unless you're talking your dog hiking all day. I don't doubt shaving it gives certain dogs some relief, if only from the weight of the coat being gone, but eh. I don't know for sure, but it'd be fun to find out a more definitive answer on the matter. When Shadow lived with my mom, she had him shaved for summer once. I don't recall it making much of a difference other than him looking stupid, but Shadow's pretty adaptive to various temperatures.
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I have an Alaskan Malamute. If someone tried to shave my dog I'd break their fingers. And it gets to about 90 degrees Fahrenheit in Wisconsin. Honestly, shaving your dog seems damned lazy. When Sitka starts getting hot I break out the kiddy pool filled with ice, bring her inside, and do all the things one does to keep the dog comfortable but that would require actually paying attention to the dog rather than just throwing them outside with a shaved coat which completely ruins their coat. tl;dr you are lazy and hosed up your dog's coat. good job.
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Jun 4, 2012 19:45
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Radio! posted:Please do this. I'm not sure if I can quite do that, don't have any googly eyes around. But once this uploads. You can see him venture outside, for a little bit. He doesn't seem to have much interest in going down the stairs.
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Riiseli posted:Here's a ruined double-coat in early April:  What happened you ask? Well she was spayed. This is one of the things I bring up when people ask me about spaying or neutering their (double-coated) dog. There are plenty of positives, too and I'm more inclined to recommend having the operation than not having one, but I want the owners to consider all the aspects carefully. That before image is what's standard for bitches after they've given birth. Here's Naru in all her glory:  And this is Naru after some more shedding and some finishing touches with scissors:  I haven't touched the sides at all. Most work is needed on the chest and tail and that isn't a lot. The resulting pile of fur is miniscule when compared with what they shed naturally. And here Naru is just under three months after the previous picture. Outside the furnishings (which aren't missing much either) she's actually in full coat here already 
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Am I following correctly that all this uproar is about how pretty your companion animals look and feel?
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paisleyfox posted:broken ... guard hairs not grow back properly leaving mostly undercoat. Thanks for the description! The main problem seems to be, if you can be responsible and give a dog shade and cool water, is repeated shavings leading to a strange coat and a weird lookin' dawg. Levitate posted:Honestly if your dog is overheating in 25 C weather that makes me feel like your dog has some issues because goddamn is that not even remotely hot My dogs think its hot. They go play fetch for like 5 minutes when its above 20C and then lay down and refuse to bring the ball back unless I start walking home. And like Rixatrix, my dogs are totally comfortable at -25 (but their pads get cold ).Weird how different climates create different behaviour eh?? After all of this I kind of want to shave my dogs just because
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El Gar posted:Am I following correctly that all this uproar is about how pretty your companion animals look and feel? Broken guard hairs means an ugly hosed up coat, but it can also mean oils that need to be kept close to their skin aren't, messed up air flow through the coat and the coat no longer dealing with temperatures correctly. But then you're El Gar and I doubt you actually care. Don't you have a cat to sperg about it? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 4, 2012 20:48
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Citizen Rat posted:Broken guard hairs means an ugly hosed up coat, but it can also mean oils that need to be kept close to their skin aren't, messed up air flow through the coat and the coat no longer dealing with temperatures correctly. I do care and thanks for the clarification. I'd only seen people talking about the cosmetic differences so that's why I asked.
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Jun 4, 2012 20:50
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Citizen Rat posted:dog hair sperg I have no horse in this race, but I just want to point out how funny this is.
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El Gar posted:I do care and thanks for the clarification. I'd only seen people talking about the cosmetic differences so that's why I asked. You obviously did not read the posts very closely! 
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ButWhatIf posted:I have no horse in this race, but I just want to point out how funny this is. It's PI. We all have our animal to sperg about. If we didn't we wouldn't be here. Edit: Oh god. I didn't mean for you to go off and make an entire thread about your damned cat, El Gar! Citizen Rat fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jun 4, 2012 |
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Jun 4, 2012 21:26
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Does this mean I can have two threads, since I have two cats?
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Jun 4, 2012 21:31
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RazorBunny posted:Does this mean I can have two threads, since I have two cats? Oh my god I'm going to have so many threads to keep up on
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Jun 4, 2012 21:32
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:Oh my god I'm going to have so many threads to keep up on Mine alone will count for at least four, the rats can share a thread cuz they're tiny
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Jun 4, 2012 21:41
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El Gar posted:Am I following correctly that all this uproar is about how pretty your companion animals look and feel? (Ok, fine Naru is mine, the other dog, not so much. I just happen to have some fairly descriptive photos of that particular double-coated dog. Naru ended up here, because I was having a hard time finding good images of all the stages of that coat and Naru's coat is somewhat comparable being the same breed and all. And I did not use only photos of Naru as her coat is still fine as she is still intact.)
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Oh gently caress that. I am not making a new thread for each of my retarded cats. I might think about it for Sitka, but that's what the prim breed thread is for. (Also you damned spergs need to post in there.  )
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Citizen Rat posted:Oh gently caress that. I am not making a new thread for each of my retarded cats. I might think about it for Sitka, but that's what the prim breed thread is for. (Also you damned spergs need to post in there. You're right, a thread about Leela would just be lots of "She made biscuits on me at 4 am again" and "Her meow is weird" and Nibbler's would be "He tried to attack my feet last night" and "His meow is weird" and that would get tedious.
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Jun 4, 2012 21:51
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I could make a Patrice thread. Every day would be exactly the same. 6:45 Breakfast! 7:00 Morning nap upstairs! 2:30 See if dinner has happened early through some miracle, use the highly preferable downstairs litter box! 3:00 Afternoon nap upstairs! 4:45 Dinner! 5:00 Evening nap upstairs! 7:00 Couch snuggles! 9:30 Nighttime nap downstairs!
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All cats are basically the same (except for abominations like Trophy) so we don't need a million threads for each individual cat because as I just said all cats are basically the same (except for abominations like Trophy). Dogs on the other hand are special snowflakes, each and every one! 
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Look, I'm the first to understand cosmetic preferences in animals. I own a purebread cat for pete's sake. I just didn't get the vitriol I was seeing absent a medical reason. One was provided so now I understand. I'm sorry you can't let any little tiny thing go, dog people. Also the Trophy thread was already written up this morning I was just waiting till I'd gone to the gym and lunch before posting it. Funny coincidences all up in PI today.
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