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Yeah, fair enough. "Radiation is harmless in Homestuck" works pretty well as a joke/convention, and it does fit in with that. Still a bit worried about tidal locking on Alternia, but yeah, it's just a show and I should really just relax.
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Yay! Ive been wondering when we'd see this sun again! 
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Saradiart posted:http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003252 That looks like a pretty small room there. Not nearly the size of the room Calliope was just in.
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So, with this new, Red Sun, I went looking in the archive for sun-related clues. - The [S] ACT 6 flash is just laden with focuses on the sun. Go look. Pulses coming off it, framing the earth with it, etc. White. Probably means something. - Way back in Act 1: quote:"The moon's an arrant thief, and her pale fire she snatches from the sun." -Mark Twain - Dave's intro: quote:You don't even know what's up with this sick heat. The sun threatens to set but won't step off. It's staring you down, like the big red eye of a hot needle skipping on a groove its tracing 'round the earth. While lingering in midair its heat seems to suspend time itself, stretching it like warped vinyl. - I guess if we're throwing everything in here, we should consider that AR, who pops up a lot in fan theories, isn't just glasses, he's sunglasses. Bonus black-hole quote: quote:GA: Your Hubris Is Really Astonishing Pink moon?
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Jun 21, 2012 10:15
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Bobulus posted:So, with this new, Red Sun, I went looking in the archive for sun-related clues. This is all a lead-up to when the Thief of Light steals the Green Sun, allowing her to beat Bec Noir and the kids to finally finish Lord English.
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Bobulus posted:
toxic8aker posted:Yay! Ive been wondering when we'd see this sun again!
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Jun 21, 2012 10:34
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Saradiart posted:http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003252 It WAS in English's vault...could be! EDIT: If you go back a page http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003251 you'll see the ladder is all warped. So I guess not. But maybe he just wanted to keep one as a memento. Either way, you'd think if English was keeping one of these around he'd use it to tell every single troll to go gently caress themselves, but... nerdbot fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Jun 21, 2012 |
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Jun 21, 2012 11:15
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Saradiart posted:http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003252 The timeline doesn't work, though. The Alternian sun, while reddish and hot enough that Trolls didn't go out in the day, wasn't really old by the time Slick invaded Lord English's mansion. And then Slick destroyed the universe.
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Jun 21, 2012 11:42
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There's also a wall right next to the ladder.
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Jun 21, 2012 11:44
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What if this sun is the Green Sun that has become a red giant?
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The possibility that uu = Lord English (frankly, I've given up on trying to figure out if all this is a red herring or what, I'm just sitting here and waiting now) has me thinking about a couple of things. One: Calliope's body looks pretty androgynous, and it's reasonable to assume she won't hulk out when she goes to sleep and uu takes over. However, Lord English looks pretty... masculine, to say the least. Does this mean that Calliope is definitely going to die, and that's how any traces of femininity disappear from uu's figure eventually?  Two: Back when the young Handmaid was escaping, LE appeared... while Scratch was unconscious. I find this curious, but hell if I know what it means. (Clearly, it means that Lord English's true name is Sickfuck.)
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Jun 21, 2012 13:59
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Graceful Graveler posted:Two: Back when the young Handmaid was escaping, LE appeared... while Scratch was unconscious. I find this curious, but hell if I know what it means. He is a TIME TRAVELLING DEMON. Turning up before he's arrived via Scratch is trivial to him, and actually rather the point. He is already here and all that.
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So, in trying to puzzle out what or where this red sun is, did everyone forget that uu/UU are in a completely different universe? UU said as much to Jane and Roxy. I mean, I guess they could be in the troll universe, but I felt like it was implied that they were completely separate, in some other universe (meaning some other frog). So definitely not B1 or B2, and likely not A1 or A2 either. They're in universe C. (Although I guess that implies they're in the universe that the kids make, which is pretty drat depressing. So some other universe, then. Let's say U) Starmaker fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Jun 21, 2012 |
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Jun 21, 2012 14:38
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I think this is just regular ol' boring supergiant sun, not a neon green sun with the mass of two universes that grands a universe-eating demon magical powers.
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Starmaker posted:So, in trying to puzzle out what or where this red sun is, did everyone forget that uu/UU are in a completely different universe? UU said as much to Jane and Roxy. I mean, I guess they could be in the troll universe, but I felt like it was implied that they were completely separate, in some other universe (meaning some other frog). So definitely not B1 or B2, and likely not A1 or A2 either. They're in universe C. Yeah, or the Mongooses, that's a good team name! "The Fighting Mongooses." Obviously Uu is (are?) going to create the Squiddle universe, and then we'll be on Squiddlequest 2012!
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Jun 21, 2012 15:00
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I want the Squiddle intermission to happen just to see if Hussie can come up with 36 new classes and aspects. 
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Jun 21, 2012 15:12
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Slime posted:He is a TIME TRAVELLING DEMON. Turning up before he's arrived via Scratch is trivial to him, and actually rather the point. He is already here and all that. Well, yes, that's obviously what actually happened, but now it just strikes me as an odd parallel to the cherubs.
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aw, hell, I'm sure the rest of you have figured this out but it just now hit me- at some point, we're not going to be dealing with UU or uu, but rather uU. does this portend that uu will be the 'lead' personality or that they will straight-up merge?
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Starmaker posted:So, in trying to puzzle out what or where this red sun is, did everyone forget that uu/UU are in a completely different universe? UU said as much to Jane and Roxy. I mean, I guess they could be in the troll universe, but I felt like it was implied that they were completely separate, in some other universe (meaning some other frog). So definitely not B1 or B2, and likely not A1 or A2 either. They're in universe C. The uUniverse, if you will. Also, recent updates have obviously set the speculation gears of my mind into motion, so sorry if it gets tiresome. Feel free to skip the  .The presence of the ailing red supergiant also seems intended to suggest a sense of entropy, decay, or age to the universe (or maybe I've just read too much Dying Earth). Anyway, it seems likely the uUniverse does result from the kids' session if we take the steadily decreasing number of players (48 possible squiddles to 12 trolls to 4 kids) as indicative of a trend, however this coming session will actually have 8 players. I've yet to see any strong theory-crafting on what this might mean. Perhaps the uUniverse is actually from a timeline where the Sburb system collapsed in on itself -- the decreasing number of players in each session resulted in a problematic two-player-one-body scenario where mating rituals (kismessitude) reflect the antagonistic nature of the game's creation of universes (there must be wars, dichotomies, winners and losers for reality to propagate). This might explain why Gamzee's HONK code had to come from a bloodbath beta-timeline despite LE being an apparent product of the alpha. This Sburb glitch resulted in an overpowered Space-Time player who managed to propagate backward along the chain of creation. So: maybe the B1 and B2 kids, by combining their sessions, reverse the trend by creating a universe where more players play Sburb than in the originary universe, resulting in a version of the game based more on friendship and cooperation (among players, and maybe even among the carapacians). Universes can now be the result of positive relationships instead of negative ones. Admittedly, though, that's a bit starry-eyed, and I can't think of a way that LE's presence might be sufficiently locked out of the new universe chain.
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Kazy posted:Yeah, or the Mongooses, that's a good team name! "The Fighting Mongooses." It's to bad they aren't gonna create anything, since they[s/he] don't even have prototyping towers. What's interesting about LE is the constant assertion that paradox space sanctioned his creation and arrival. So everything in the 4 universes had to happen this way regardless. It makes me wonder if LE even has any control over his own destiny either. If Calliope/uu wind up being LE in some way, which all signs seem to be pointing this way, then as players, they are just as subject to causality as the kids and trolls. I know that it's past trendy to say that Skaia is the real villain, but you've got to wonder why there's a system in place where a player character can obtain enough power to "glitch" paradox space. But it's a crappy glitch because Skaia knew that things would turn out this way the moment Calliope's universe was created.
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So... Green sun, red miles.... Red sun, green miles.
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I wonder if the Red sun is the source of time powers, counter part to the green sun being space.
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H.P. Shivcraft posted:The uUniverse, if you will. This is interesting, but there's also a possibility that there could have been multiple sessions before the UU/uu one. Terezi said back in Act 4 that the purpose of Exiles is to rebuild civilization on the planet and get it ready for reseeding. We've never really seen it due to how hosed the sessions we've seen were, but that's what happens normally. With how old the planet they're on is, there may have been plenty of unrelated sessions that were successful.
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Cardinal Ximenez posted:So... Green sun, red miles.... I was thinking that it would be interesting for UU to see the sun as red, while uu sees it as Green.
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Since this is Hussie we're talking about, we can't rule out the possibility that Cherubs are red/green colorblind.
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Cardinal Ximenez posted:So... Green sun, red miles....
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Boneless Jogger posted:This is interesting, but there's also a possibility that there could have been multiple sessions before the UU/uu one. Terezi said back in Act 4 that the purpose of Exiles is to rebuild civilization on the planet and get it ready for reseeding. We've never really seen it due to how hosed the sessions we've seen were, but that's what happens normally. With how old the planet they're on is, there may have been plenty of unrelated sessions that were successful. Life on the host planet seems to be pretty routinely destroyed when players enter the game, so how exactly does the whole Exiles reseeding the planet for another session work? Is it played by carapaces? Because I for one sure would love to see Jack Noir, SBurb player. Maybe Jack Junior, the Heir of Stabs.
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Tunicate posted:Since this is Hussie we're talking about, we can't rule out the possibility that Cherubs are red/green colorblind. Honestly that's probably it
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Or when uu is awake, we have the Green Sun. This way, if/when UU regains control, the Green Sun would turn into the Red Sun, removing First Guardian powers maybe? e: I guess the red sun would enhance time powers or change First Guardian powers to time powers? KoB fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Jun 21, 2012 |
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Tunicate posted:Since this is Hussie we're talking about, we can't rule out the possibility that Cherubs are red/green colorblind. but then calliope would think that she had RED blood... and she would do all her drawings in red, and dress in red, and otherwise be red themed. uu would think that he had green blood, likewise. It doesn't really gel with the established conversations they've had.
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Slime posted:Life on the host planet seems to be pretty routinely destroyed when players enter the game, so how exactly does the whole Exiles reseeding the planet for another session work? Is it played by carapaces? Because I for one sure would love to see Jack Noir, SBurb player. Maybe Jack Junior, the Heir of Stabs. I always figured that Sburb reseeds the host planet with carapace life just as a form of tidying-up. If it weren't for things like Bec Noir and Lord English, after all, universes wouldn't be destroyed after they successfully reproduce. Sburb doesn't appear to have a built-in mechanic to destroy universes after they've succeeded at the game, so leaving the dead planet with a new population ties up a loose end. Who knows, maybe they have the means to revive the race that used to live there? We know very little about what the carapaces are intended to do. However, since it appears that Lord English was once a player, I'm starting to wonder if perhaps Lord English is an intentional part of the game, if he was allowed to gain his power so that he might ensure the destruction of the universes Sburb has finished with. That'd make Sburb a horrible sort of circle of life for the multiverse.
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Dolash posted:I always figured that Sburb reseeds the host planet with carapace life just as a form of tidying-up. If it weren't for things like Bec Noir and Lord English, after all, universes wouldn't be destroyed after they successfully reproduce. Sburb doesn't appear to have a built-in mechanic to destroy universes after they've succeeded at the game, so leaving the dead planet with a new population ties up a loose end. Who knows, maybe they have the means to revive the race that used to live there? We know very little about what the carapaces are intended to do. They do have appearifiers that can produce paradox slime, it's entirely possible that there's some ectobiology equipment stashed away somewhere we've never seen.
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It really bothers me how the shackle keeps switching legs  I know it's probably a 'sprite-flipping' joke callback but still. If the drat thing would stay put we could have discerned LE's identity because of his missing foot, but welp. HUSSIE 
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Oh God dammit Urania = muse of astronomy, i.e. space muse. Uranian = like unto a space muse. Everyone else figured that out weeks ago, didn't they? Although Calollipop is actually the Muse of Cute and I'm not sure the Greeks had one for that. Ixjuvin posted:It really bothers me how the shackle keeps switching legs Someone brought this up earlier but I don't remember who. If you look at which leg the cuff is on with regards to the way they're turned, Lord English's missing leg is on the same side he's turned to, whereas Calliope's is on the opposite.
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soooo how about this: If uu-as-Lord-English proves true then you even have the green, representing Calliope, peering from behind his eyes.
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Clearly the relationship between the Red Sun, Green Sun, and LE is the same as with Superman. LE grows up under the Red Sun, and in the light of the Green Sun he gains superpowers. But if you get some Also, he's a dick, just like Superman.
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Ixjuvin posted:It really bothers me how the shackle keeps switching legs The symbol is asymmetrical, you can tell which leg it's meant to be on just by looking. The unflipped ~U~ symbol can be seen on the page with the shackled Calmasis, where it is present on his left leg with the higher part of the ~ towards the outside (further to his left, that is). When the shackle on Calliope's leg appears to be on her left, the symbol is in the same [unflipped] configuration. Lord English is uu.
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Renaissance Robot posted:The symbol is asymmetrical, you can tell which leg it's meant to be on just by looking. The unflipped ~U~ symbol can be seen on the page with the shackled Calmasis, where it is present on his left leg with the higher part of the ~ towards the outside (further to his left, that is). Also, the recent non-sprite panels have shown it on her left leg.
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