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Has anybody been reading Irredeemable? Given all that's preceded it I thought this was a very nice last page in the last issue.
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Jun 10, 2012 04:19
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I've still no idea what to feel about that last page, if I should be insulted or feel pandered to.
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Jun 10, 2012 05:30
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Uh, wow. I guess that's meant to be a homage, but it just comes off as a huge unsubtle ripoff.
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Jun 10, 2012 09:47
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Oh its much worse than that. Plutonian, the mass murderer Superman of the Irredeemable series is finally dying and is torn apart into his basic essence and spread across multiple realities as ideas. So a tiny part of him is reborn as the idea for Superman.
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Jun 10, 2012 11:12
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I don't know. I mean it's fairly obvious that the Plutonian is a Superman copy. I thought it was a nice way after all the brutality and deconstruction to remind us that you can have an ultra powerful hero and not inevitably have him turn into mega-Hitler.
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Jun 10, 2012 14:49
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This is potentially a pretty insulting question (I don't know how much of a comic person you are, outside of reading Irredeemable), but have you read All-Star Superman? The concept for that page is clearly stolen from there, except made way more obvious and such.
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Jun 10, 2012 19:26
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Bown posted:This is potentially a pretty insulting question (I don't know how much of a comic person you are, outside of reading Irredeemable), but have you read All-Star Superman? The concept for that page is clearly stolen from there, except made way more obvious and such. I have not. I know Irredeemable isn't the most original of comics, but I didn't know it was outright ripping stuff off. That's a little disappointing.
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Jun 10, 2012 21:28
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Bown posted:This is potentially a pretty insulting question (I don't know how much of a comic person you are, outside of reading Irredeemable), but have you read All-Star Superman? The concept for that page is clearly stolen from there, except made way more obvious and such. I saw "Being invented on a parallel earth" a bunch of times in other comics before. That being said, given its use in All-Star Superman, its a bit hard to re-use that punchline.
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Jun 10, 2012 23:07
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Hard as it may be to believe, but Morrison does not have an exclusive on that idea. And I'd say Waid has way more love for the Man of Steel than Grant, so he's entitled to his little moment of precooked shmaltz.
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Jun 11, 2012 00:56
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In the 3-D parts of Final Crisis ("Superman Beyond"), there were a bunch of bits where it was suggested that the Superman story was a kind of universal constant, or an Ultimate/Greatest Story. I think this fits into that kind of world view. (But it was Grant Morrison, and I can never trust I understand properly what he's saying.)
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Jun 12, 2012 14:48
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prefect posted:In the 3-D parts of Final Crisis ("Superman Beyond"), there were a bunch of bits where it was suggested that the Superman story was a kind of universal constant, or an Ultimate/Greatest Story. I think this fits into that kind of world view. (But it was Grant Morrison, and I can never trust I understand properly what he's saying.) Superman is so powerful he exists in every possible universe, even as a fictional character if the physics of that universe will not permit him to be real. Morrison hits that theme again in rear end; Superman creates a universe where he doesn't exist to see what will happen, and his creations imagine him.
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Jun 13, 2012 02:18
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Gaz-L posted:Hard as it may be to believe, but Morrison does not have an exclusive on that idea. And I'd say Waid has way more love for the Man of Steel than Grant, so he's entitled to his little moment of precooked shmaltz. Not to mention in the first issue Waid said the story was a result of a brainstorming session with Grant.
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Jun 13, 2012 04:08
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Ambiguatron posted:Superman is so powerful he exists in every possible universe, even as a fictional character if the physics of that universe will not permit him to be real. Morrison hits that theme again in rear end; Superman creates a universe where he doesn't exist to see what will happen, and his creations imagine him. Just one of hundreds of reasons to love that series.
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Jun 13, 2012 04:38
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Gaz-L posted:Hard as it may be to believe, but Morrison does not have an exclusive on that idea. And I'd say Waid has way more love for the Man of Steel than Grant, so he's entitled to his little moment of precooked shmaltz. Waid was there with Morrison when he had his shamanic moment meeting Superman and I'm sure Morrison would say that Irredeemable is a consequence of Superman creating our universe. I really had no problem with it until I actually saw that page, which looked to lift the sketching image straight out of rear end #10, which felt really cheap, but I also don't know a better way to show the idea they're trying to convey...
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Jun 13, 2012 05:38
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From Avengers Academy #32. One of the students is Juston, the kid from the Sentinel comic from years back. He's basically the kid from Iron Giant with a pet Sentinel that acts as his friend and protector. It's still glitchy and talks up mutants in ways that make the others wary. X-23 goes up to them and insists that the Sentinel should be destroyed. Although Juston has been able to add directives that make it good, he's been unable to remove "APPREHEND OR DESTROY ALL MUTANTS" from its directive vocabulary. The only way to do it would wipe its memory clean. X-23 says he should do just that, but he refuses.   Stuff from AvX is talked about and Sentinel starts freaking out because a Phoenix-powered Emma Frost shows up. She's melted down all the world's Sentinels and now she's going to finish them off with Juston's. Pym tries to talk her down and she figures she'll let it slide if they erase its memory, let Pym give it a new personality and redesign it so it no longer resembles a Sentinel. Juston pleads with her not to do it and gets locked in a fire bubble. Sentinel sees this as an attack and fights Emma with everything it has while commanding Juston to run.     It's also pretty awesome that Striker is standing up for the Sentinel when you look at that Korvac story from a while ago.
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Jun 21, 2012 06:55
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Gavok posted:From Avengers Academy #32. One of the students is Juston, the kid from the Sentinel comic from years back. He's basically the kid from Iron Giant with a pet Sentinel that acts as his friend and protector. It's still glitchy and talks up mutants in ways that make the others wary. An editor or someone really needs to focus on Gage for a bit. He has some amazing writing chops, and some horrible ones. Find out how he comes up with stuff like this and get rid of the other crap he does.
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Jun 21, 2012 07:34
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That's really sweet but ... grunge is retro now? Time to throw out my Nirvana t-shirt, I guess. Or at least start wearing it "ironically".
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Jun 21, 2012 07:49
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Nevermind came out more then twenty years ago. Also I just spent a bunch of money I don't have on Avengers Academy books because I'm a sucker for those kinds of scenes. 
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Jun 21, 2012 07:52
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Uthor posted:That's really sweet but ... grunge is retro now? Time to throw out my Nirvana t-shirt, I guess. Or at least start wearing it "ironically". I kind of felt the same way at first, but then I realized I've talked with customers who don't even know what grunge is. Basically, Yes. Grunge, which as stated earlier, is apparently retro. 80's is now The Oldies.
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Jun 21, 2012 08:00
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I found this scene from Wonder Woman #10 to be pretty heartwarming. The last 3 panels, I mean; the rest is set-up.  D'awww.
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Jun 21, 2012 08:40
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Isn't Juston like 13? I was a little creeped out by White Tiger saying she was gonna ask him out, but the X-23 stuff is sweet and works as a beat with the miniseries for her origin. And gotta love Pym's reaction. "...gently caress it, didn't sign up to the Avengers to babysit."
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Jun 21, 2012 14:34
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Uthor posted:That's really sweet but ... grunge is retro now? Time to throw out my Nirvana t-shirt, I guess. Or at least start wearing it "ironically".
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Jun 21, 2012 14:37
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Leper Residue posted:I kind of felt the same way at first, but then I realized I've talked with customers who don't even know what grunge is. Basically, Yes. Grunge, which as stated earlier, is apparently retro. 80's is now The Oldies. When I heard Under The Bridge on the local classic rock station, I knew it was basically over for our generation.
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Jun 21, 2012 16:16
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Leper Residue posted:An editor or someone really needs to focus on Gage for a bit. He has some amazing writing chops, and some horrible ones. Find out how he comes up with stuff like this and get rid of the other crap he does. Does the Sentinel live? 
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Jun 21, 2012 16:46
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Gotta say the design of the gods in Wonder Woman is just cool as hell. If you told me a year ago that Hades with a candle for a head would be one of my new favorite looking comic characters I would have said bullshit, but here we are.
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Jun 21, 2012 16:49
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Directorman posted:Does the Sentinel live? Yes it does
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Jun 21, 2012 16:50
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Directorman posted:Does the Sentinel live? Doesn't Justin have some sort of intuitive ability to repair it anyway?
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Jun 21, 2012 17:05
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I think the Sentinel has an auto-repair function itself.
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Jun 21, 2012 17:37
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From Persepolis where Marjane Satrapi describes the last time she saw her uncle:
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Jun 21, 2012 20:10
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bobkatt013 posted:Yes it does For this issue, yes. Next issue, who knows? (I almost teared up a little when Juston was losing it towards the end. I'm not sure I like having that kind of emotion. The thing with the dog was just unfair.  )
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Jun 21, 2012 23:16
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Mr. Maltose posted:Gotta say the design of the gods in Wonder Woman is just cool as hell. If you told me a year ago that Hades with a candle for a head would be one of my new favorite looking comic characters I would have said bullshit, but here we are. Except for whomever she hulk is, Power Ranger villain is not a good look.
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Jun 21, 2012 23:51
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Except for whomever she hulk is, Power Ranger villain is not a good look. Are you dissing Wonder Woman's wedding dress???
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Jun 22, 2012 06:34
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Alhazred posted:From Persepolis where Marjane Satrapi describes the last time she saw her uncle: That's beautiful
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Jun 22, 2012 10:51
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Arctic Baldwin posted:That's beautiful Maus and Persepolis are two of the hardest comics to read.
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Jun 22, 2012 14:26
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Since I brought it up in another thread, here's my favorite moment from Secret Invasion (can't remember the issue #). Months earlier, Captain Mar-Vell came back and everyone figured it was him existing through time travel. He started regaining memories of being experimented on by Skrulls, only to later realize that he himself is a Skrull meant to believe himself to be Mar-Vell and that it was up to him to help overthrow the humans. At first, he opposed the Skrulls, but then he broke down and joined their ranks. His big mission is to eliminate the Thunderbolts and although he's able to thrash the team, he has a hard time actually killing any of them. Osborn steps in and talks him down. 
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Jul 1, 2012 07:04
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I never caught onto the subtext to that interaction the first time around, but I'm guessing Osborn knows exactly what it feels like to think of yourself as a good person then suddenly remembering you're actually a monster.
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Jul 1, 2012 11:47
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Lurdiak posted:I never caught onto the subtext to that interaction the first time around, but I'm guessing Osborn knows exactly what it feels like to think of yourself as a good person then suddenly remembering you're actually a monster. Yea, it's easy to forget the full context for that little interaction, but once you remember Osborn's history and all you see it in a really more gut-punchy light.
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Jul 1, 2012 19:05
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The art and writing in that little scene pack a lot of punch. So well done.
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Jul 1, 2012 20:53
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Lurdiak posted:I never caught onto the subtext to that interaction the first time around, but I'm guessing Osborn knows exactly what it feels like to think of yourself as a good person then suddenly remembering you're actually a monster. The Thunderbolts tie-in of that issue expands the conversation a bit more. The SI arc for Thunderbolts is really good and one of the few good stories between Ellis' and Cage's run.
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notthegoatseguy posted:The Thunderbolts tie-in of that issue expands the conversation a bit more. The SI arc for Thunderbolts is really good and one of the few good stories between Ellis' and Cage's run. That is Gage's run. bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Jul 2, 2012 |
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