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Seoinin posted:Are they, strictly speaking, necessary? Well no. But they're way more relevant than Nepeta's ancestor, or the Summoner would be. If we do get any more ancestor trolls, the one I would suspect the most to show up would be the Sufferer. You've got the whole Karkat mutant blood thing to resolve. You've got the lime blood thing to resolve. You've got UU wearing Sufferer symbols thing. However, I also suspect that he'd be kind of an insufferable prick, without any of the joy that we derive from Karkat, so he probably wouldn't stick around long.
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I fully expect there to be an intermission focusing entirely on the A1 trolls. And I will enjoy every second of it. 
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Jun 22, 2012 14:03
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I'm expecting something more along the lines of what happened with Doc Scratch and the troll ancestors - a brief vignette filling out the details, but without us actually getting to see them in person.
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Jun 22, 2012 14:06
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Bobulus posted:I assumed that it would be a brief look at what everyone is up to in a post-fight, post-make-a-new-universe kind of a way. Especially if the new universe is made by a collaboration of the B2 trolls, the A1 kids, and the A2 kids, in a blue plus red plus green equals white kind of thing. Red, blue, green... Like an RGB display?  Edit: Knowing how RGB works is also pretty important when working with photoshop so there's that too. MechanicalTomPetty fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Jun 22, 2012 |
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Jun 22, 2012 14:29
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gently caress that, I don't want the story to screech to another halt just to introduce yet another set of characters.
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Jun 22, 2012 14:30
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:gently caress that, I don't want the story to screech to another halt just to introduce yet another set of characters. Then how do you expect Act 6 Act 5 Act 1 to go?
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Jun 22, 2012 14:33
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Cleretic posted:Then how do you expect Act 6 Act 5 Act 1 to go? Or Act 6 Act 6 Act 1
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Jun 22, 2012 14:53
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RickoniX posted:Or Act 6 Act 6 Act 1 Or Act 6 Act 6 Act 5 Act 1 Okay enough of that. The point is we're in this for awhile yet and I really wish people would stop complaining about new characters because they are always proven wrong. Like, every single time. I'm just glad Hussie continues to do his own thing because if he followed this thread's advice Homestuck would be a short, drab, lifeless and flat piece of poo poo.
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Jun 22, 2012 15:06
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Starmaker posted:Or Act 6 Act 6 Act 5 Act 1 I don't really voice my complaints about new characters because I do generally wind up enjoying them all (and generally enjoy them from the outset even), but there legitimately are way the gently caress too many for Homestuck's format.
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Jun 22, 2012 15:08
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King of Solomon posted:I don't really voice my complaints about new characters because I do generally wind up enjoying them all (and generally enjoy them from the outset even), but there legitimately are way the gently caress too many for Homestuck's format. Yeah pretty much this. I end up enjoying the character in the end, but that cycle of introductions gets a bit wearying the third or fourth time it happens.
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Jun 22, 2012 15:13
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Seoinin posted:I sincerely doubt the other ten are getting added to the story, and I really hope they aren't. The two we've got right now are only involved due to having some pertinence to existing characters. Meenah is a way to give characterization to the Condesce. Aranea's been introduced because she and Vriska have a relationship not entirely unlike the B1 & B2 kids do with their respective adult figures. Personally I'd to at LEAST like to see how they look and maybe names, but Hussie said in his recent Q&A they're canonically just silhouettes at this point, which makes it sound like he didn't put much more thought into em. I'd also love to know more about how the pre-scratch Troll world was different, even if it's not important to the story. I like weird alien culture stuff!
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Jun 22, 2012 15:13
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:Red, blue, green... Yes, that's what I'm saying. Sburb is a video game. Video games are played on tvs and computer monitors, both of which are RGB devices. When R, G, and B are all "on", you get the color white. So naturally, the combined efforts of all three groups will yield the Good Ending white universe.
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Jun 22, 2012 15:16
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I wouldn't have much problem with the Ancestors as at this point my ability to be objective has withered and died and I'll just lap anything up. That said I don't think we'd need to see them until the Epilogue, chilling in the Dream Bubbles or whatever place is left that they can possibly chill.
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Customer Service posted:I'd also love to know more about how the pre-scratch Troll world was different, even if it's not important to the story. I like weird alien culture stuff! augh jesus why did I phrase it like that
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Jun 22, 2012 15:20
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Popo posted:I wouldn't have much problem with the Ancestors as at this point my ability to be objective has withered and died and I'll just lap anything up. That said I don't think we'd need to see them until the Epilogue, chilling in the Dream Bubbles or whatever place is left that they can possibly chill. Oh god, the Epligoue. End Epilogue 1. > BEGIN EPILOGUE 2.
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Jun 22, 2012 15:23
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I believe we will see the Sufferer, and not much else. Maybe some sprites and names, but that's about it.
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Jun 22, 2012 15:34
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Literally Sharks posted:Right! And also the part that requires Bilious Slick to not have been destroyed on-screen halfway through [S] Cascade to power the creation of the Green Sun. Yeah, I know right? I mean, it's not like it was the pre-scratch kids' universe that was destroyed to create the green sun and not the post-scracth universe! That would just be silly. 
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Nate RFB posted:I believe we will see the Sufferer, and not much else. Maybe some sprites and names, but that's about it. I just want to see a memo where past/future/current Karkat are arguing with each other as usual when The Sufferer interrupts and tries to make peace between them and is of course completely unsuccessful. At that point Sufferer hulks the gently caress out at both of them and we find out he's pretty much just like Karkat deep inside. 
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Jun 22, 2012 16:25
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TOAST7312 posted:Yeah, I know right? I mean, it's not like it was the pre-scratch kids' universe that was destroyed to create the green sun and not the post-scracth universe! That would just be silly. That would be silly! Especially when it has been clearly explained that they're in the same universe.
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Jun 22, 2012 16:55
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I think someone mentioned this earlier. Calliope's description of Billious Slick wrt Red Miles felt a bit weird to me, that she spoke of its "various iterations" and how it would take variable amounts of time for the Miles to reach each and every one. I mean, as far as we knew, there were only two instances of the B universe, the original alpha timeline, and the scratched alpha timeline. Beta timelines don't factor in since Paradox space clears these out on its own. Moreover, the Miles reached those two iterations we knew of at more or less the same time. So what was the point of Calliope describing BS that way? We are left to either believe that this is at a point where her knowledge has ended and the rest is conjecture on her part, consigning her to the role of an unreliable narrator who is simply unaware of the true nature of the universe, or that she actually knows what she is talking about and there is more to the kids' universe than we know. It shouldn't be surprising if she is from Bn, an iteration of the B universe as of now unexplored, where the Miles do not reach until after or when our own sun goes supernova. The Stateus off Liberbety do at least suggest a connexion to Dave.
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Jun 22, 2012 17:01
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Bobulus posted:Good Ending white universe. Another example of Hussie's endless racism. (this is a reference to the silly thing about race in Homestuck, please do not take me seriously)
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Jun 22, 2012 17:17
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Bobulus posted:Yes, that's what I'm saying. Sburb is a video game. Video games are played on tvs and computer monitors, both of which are RGB devices. You mean the bad-ending universe, because in Homestuck the color white is associated with Doc Scratch, the main villain for the first five acts. That drawing on Calliope's wall that when mirrored makes Lord English's face, it has huge white cueball eyes. Clearly Hussie is not one for the white=good stuff.
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QueerPope posted:You mean the bad-ending universe, because in Homestuck the color white is associated with Doc Scratch, the main villain for the first five acts. That drawing on Calliope's wall that when mirrored makes Lord English's face, it has huge white cueball eyes. Clearly Hussie is not one for the white=good stuff. That's true, White is the bad colour here. Heck, the black squiddles from the furthest rim so far have been much more helpful. Someone might have mentioned this already but does anyone else think all the powers of the players in the incipispheres comes from a different coloured sun? Green for Space, Red for time, Blue for Win, Yellow for light, etc.
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QueerPope posted:You mean the bad-ending universe, because in Homestuck the color white is associated with Doc Scratch, the main villain for the first five acts. That drawing on Calliope's wall that when mirrored makes Lord English's face, it has huge white cueball eyes. Clearly Hussie is not one for the white=good stuff. Doc Scratch wasn't the main villain for the first five acts, and Calliope's drawing doesn't mirror Lord English's face any more than it does her own. There is a character whose name is literally "Black" who murders nearly every protagonist in the story and brings about the destruction of two universes. The only character with villainous intent that is associated with the color white is Scratch who was killed (to pave the way for a larger threat) in the same act that he was introduced.
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Where did all this talk about "green = space" come from? The god tier colors for the hero of Space are black and white. If anything, it would be "green = mind" because the god tier colors for the hero of Mind are green and teal.
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Oh god loving drat it, has anyone figured out how the hell to fix the save game cookie thing? "You did not save your game!" I literally just loving clicked "Auto-Save" and then "Save Game", don't tell me what I didn't do
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Jun 22, 2012 18:19
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Well Manicured Man posted:Where did all this talk about "green = space" come from? The god tier colors for the hero of Space are black and white. If anything, it would be "green = mind" because the god tier colors for the hero of Mind are green and teal. This (and Hanks Lust Cafe's avatar) made me realise; Black and white is God Tier space. Lord English's colour, his/Calliope's natural red/green aside, is a flashing rainbow of colours. Lord English is God Tier.
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Well Manicured Man posted:Where did all this talk about "green = space" come from? The god tier colors for the hero of Space are black and white. If anything, it would be "green = mind" because the god tier colors for the hero of Mind are green and teal. First Guardians, who are powered by the Green Sun, have the ability to manipulate space. The three Space heroes we've met so far are Jade, Kanaya, and Calliope, and each of them is strongly associated with the color green - two of them have green blood, and one of them is named for a shade of green.
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Bobulus posted:Yes, that's what I'm saying. Sburb is a video game. Video games are played on tvs and computer monitors, both of which are RGB devices. I wonder if we'll see a Final Bad End anywhere in Homestuck? A beta-timeline? A dream bubble? Just someone describing what will happen if they lose The Final Battle? Letting the heroes actually know the stakes and what they're up against is one of the nagging little things Homestuck hasn't really addressed. It'd be nice for all the surviving players to actually know what they're going into before the big finish. Rose describing a Bad End through her Seer powers or them finding one in a dream would help.
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YF-23 posted:This (and Hanks Lust Cafe's avatar) made me realise; Black and white is God Tier space. Lord English's colour, his/Calliope's natural red/green aside, is a flashing rainbow of colours. Lord English is God Tier. Lord English is all the god tiers. All of them. And Vriska.
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For some reason it's in my head now that Karkat's mutant blood being red and uu's talk of making everything green after UU is dead seems much more relevant to me plot wise than the Red Sun. Maybe because I think Sufferer Jesus is awesome.
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Color Printer posted:Oh god loving drat it, has anyone figured out how the hell to fix the save game cookie thing? I keep on having problems too, but it seems the solution for me was to delete the cookies for the site. Not through the "Delete Game" link, but by actually going into the settings for that program (had this problem in Firefox, Chrome, and even Camino, all on either Windows 7 or Mac) and delete the cookie through the settings.
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Meme Emulator posted:But like, I was just watching some of the older flashes and I saw Rose's entrance into the medium. Oh my god. Rose smashing the bottle has to be one of the laziest animations ive ever seen, which is odd because earlier Homestuck tends to have a lot more animation. I'm gonna just latch onto this and mention that it always seems like the flash animations start off pretty competently animated and then devolve into lazy animation or weird, "off"-looking art, especially during Act 5. It really takes me out of it when I notice. Anyway, I'll take whatever characters he can throw at me at this point. BRING IT ON, HUSSIE. I DARE you to try and make a character I won't like!!! nerdbot fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Jun 22, 2012 |
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Saradiart posted:Another example of Hussie's endless racism. I know you're not serious and it won't happen, but sometimes part of me really does hope that Hussie snaps like Dave Sim and starts updating multiple times a day with text-only pages under a white screen as some ridiculous stand-in character he would just then introduce, ranting like a madman about how deeply he hates the blacks, just to see how the fandom would react.
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QueerPope posted:You mean the bad-ending universe, because in Homestuck the color white is associated with Doc Scratch, the main villain for the first five acts. That drawing on Calliope's wall that when mirrored makes Lord English's face, it has huge white cueball eyes. Clearly Hussie is not one for the white=good stuff. Then what about PM and Ms. Paint, huh? 
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YF-23 posted:I think someone mentioned this earlier. Calliope's description of Billious Slick wrt Red Miles felt a bit weird to me, that she spoke of its "various iterations" and how it would take variable amounts of time for the Miles to reach each and every one. I mean, as far as we knew, there were only two instances of the B universe, the original alpha timeline, and the scratched alpha timeline. Beta timelines don't factor in since Paradox space clears these out on its own. Moreover, the Miles reached those two iterations we knew of at more or less the same time. More or less the same time? The Miles hit B2 three years after they hit B1.
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Literally Sharks posted:More or less the same time? The Miles hit B2 three years after they hit B1.
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IUG posted:I keep on having problems too, but it seems the solution for me was to delete the cookies for the site. Not through the "Delete Game" link, but by actually going into the settings for that program (had this problem in Firefox, Chrome, and even Camino, all on either Windows 7 or Mac) and delete the cookie through the settings. Thanks, I'll try that. I've heard the problem can come from having cookies for both mspaintadventures.com and www.mspaintadventures.com. I have the one without www bookmarked so I'll probably change that and save myself a lot of trouble. Of course now I can't really get either site to load reliably so I'm wondering if he's doing something or my internet is just being stupid (like usual). I'm guessing it's the latter.
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Literally Sharks posted:More or less the same time? The Miles hit B2 three years after they hit B1. Red Miles became apparent in B1 around the time of the exiles. Roxy and Dirk live in the same time period in B2, and that's where the Miles showed up.
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Literally Sharks posted:More or less the same time? The Miles hit B2 three years after they hit B1. Within a three-year window of the lifespan of a universe can most certainly be called "more or less the same time."
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