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Holistic Detective
Feb 2, 2008

effing the ineffable
Found some ducklings the other day:


Duckling by Tim Breeze, on Flickr

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BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

It's all a matter of perspective...
Grimey Drawer
Bewick's Wren. Heavily cropped...


BewicksWren 346 on Flickr


BewicksWren 347 on Flickr


BewicksWren 348 on Flickr

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

Ba

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Sharkytm doot doo do doot do doo


Fallen Rib


sharkytm fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Jun 18, 2012

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
I hope everyone likes way too many pictures of puffins!!!


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Common Guillemot by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Razorbill by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr

Ghost Cactus
Dec 25, 2006
I definitely like way too many pictures of puffins!

BetterLekNextTime, I'm really enjoying your framing of the Bewick's Wren. I constantly catch myself putting the bird smack dab in the middle of the frame because I'm worried I'll miss a shot. Need to work on that.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

It's all a matter of perspective...
Grimey Drawer

Ghost Cactus posted:

I definitely like way too many pictures of puffins!

BetterLekNextTime, I'm really enjoying your framing of the Bewick's Wren. I constantly catch myself putting the bird smack dab in the middle of the frame because I'm worried I'll miss a shot. Need to work on that.

Thanks- if you're curious this is the original of the first one.



Shooting @300mm, you are typically doing some cropping no matter what, which gives you some flexibility in where the bird ends up in the final image. Lately I've mostly been shooting with the center AF point (and back-button focus). If I need to focus then recompose when I'm shooting, I can, but with something as tiny as this wren, they are mostly center frame, and then cropped to try to get an interesting composition.

Also, seconding the puffin love. Wish I'd had my current camera when I went to Alaska 12 years ago. Mediocre slides scanned on my lovely 2mp slide scanner... :(

Ghost Cactus
Dec 25, 2006

BetterLekNextTime posted:

Thanks- if you're curious this is the original of the first one.



Shooting @300mm, you are typically doing some cropping no matter what, which gives you some flexibility in where the bird ends up in the final image. Lately I've mostly been shooting with the center AF point (and back-button focus). If I need to focus then recompose when I'm shooting, I can, but with something as tiny as this wren, they are mostly center frame, and then cropped to try to get an interesting composition.

Also, seconding the puffin love. Wish I'd had my current camera when I went to Alaska 12 years ago. Mediocre slides scanned on my lovely 2mp slide scanner... :(

Neat - thanks for the info. Now it's time for me to practice!

Maker Of Shoes
Sep 4, 2006

AWWWW YISSSSSSSSSS
DIS IS MAH JAM!!!!!!

HookShot posted:

I hope everyone likes way too many pictures of puffins!!!
These are amazing and you can never have enough puffins. :3:

Ghost Cactus posted:

I definitely like way too many pictures of puffins!

BetterLekNextTime, I'm really enjoying your framing of the Bewick's Wren. I constantly catch myself putting the bird smack dab in the middle of the frame because I'm worried I'll miss a shot. Need to work on that.
Honestly, when shooting birds be worried about getting the shot and worry about placement in post. Like BetterLekNextTime said, you're generally at the far end of your lens so you're going to be cropping anyways. Just be concerned with things you can control:

- Lighting
- Camera settings (ISO, shutter speed, aperture)
- Pre focus your lens since you don't want to waste time waiting for the AF to hunt. Pick an area where the bird is likely to be range-wise and meter it. Even with shooting something easy like ducks in a park I've lost a lot of shots when waiting for my 55-200 to pick something and focus on it.
- Stick with single point focus or tracking focus and I've had the best luck with single server focus (focus on half click each shot). And obviously continuous shooting. Using area/multiple focus points is going to cost you either time or the camera is going to pick something strange to focus on like the wing tips, legs or debris they kick up.
- A touch of luck and a lot of patience


untitled by jankyangles, on Flickr

edit: just realized I need to rotate this. :saddowns:

Maker Of Shoes fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Jun 21, 2012

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

It's all a matter of perspective...
Grimey Drawer
^^^^^ I more or less agree with this, although I think there's something to be said for considering composition as you are going. For myself (and maybe other people too), I started out as a collector- trying to get sharp images of different species. At some point I started looking more critically at the aesthetics of my photos (partly by seeing so many excellent photos here in the Dorkroom). I still collect (I might use these in research/teaching presentations if nothing else), but I'm most proud of the shots where I made artistic decisions as well as getting good focus and lighting.

Maker Of Shoes
Sep 4, 2006

AWWWW YISSSSSSSSSS
DIS IS MAH JAM!!!!!!
I can live with that assessment. :)

I'm probably saying that because I'm a huge beginner. Noticing bird behaviors helps a lot too. Oh and shooting with both eyes open, especially if you're trying to watch an entire area.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

It's all a matter of perspective...
Grimey Drawer
You should probably take everything I say with a grain of salt because I'm a beginner too. I still don't really know how to use all poo poo on my camera.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
Here's my tips for shooting birds (most of this really just applies to birds in flight):

- Always set your camera to center point focus. I agree with everything Make of Shoes posted about this, and will add that center point focus will give you the best image quality as well as being the easiest point to get used to pointing your camera at. With a little bit of practice, you will get a LOT better at focusing the camera on birds than the camera. Being set to center point will make you nail focus on flying birds way more than autofocus will. Sure, you'll be cropping poo poo out for your composition, but you're shooting birds so you'll be doing that anyways.

- Use AIServo or whatever Nikon's equivalent is. One shot simply won't cut it past about one shot with birds. Plus servo is constantly trying to refocus. I will sometimes use one shot when I know I can get that accuracy, but servo is generally better.

- Never take your camera off your eye. You will build so much arm muscle when you get a 70-200 and do this. With the puffins for example, where there were so many, I would often have both eyes open, so one could watch for more puffins flying past while I had the lens where I expected one to land.

- Always shoot flying birds at 1/500 or higher. Slower than that and you're going to get wing blur, which you (usually) don't want. Of course hummingbirds are just not going to work at those speeds, but you should be good for most other species.

Anyways, here's the second day's photos of puffins. Took these close to midnight, so the lighting was much better for a lot of them:


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffin & Razorbill by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr


Puffins by hookshot88, on Flickr

Maker Of Shoes
Sep 4, 2006

AWWWW YISSSSSSSSSS
DIS IS MAH JAM!!!!!!
Never stop posting puffins. Ever. :3:

Clayton Bigsby
Apr 17, 2005

A quick and very minor disagreement. I usually advocate center point as well, but on the 7D I have found that using all points in tracking mode can be handy when shooting birds that tend to be unpredictable (e.g. terns). With all 19 points being cross type it does extremely well.

Anyway, back to birds. Gulls are going nuts around here.




Tag, you're it.


Death from above.

Clayton Bigsby
Apr 17, 2005

Made a 7D "low iso" Lightroom preset, liking the results. These are with it applied and nothing else changed.







Clayton Bigsby fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Jun 23, 2012

Ghost Cactus
Dec 25, 2006
I really appreciate all the advice. It's very humbling to hear you guys call yourselves beginners!

I've made things as difficult as possible for myself - my lens doesn't autofocus with my camera body. But, the camera knows when something is in focus, and that's helpful. I'm posting from my phone, but I should have something to contribute soon.

HookShot, your puffin shots are beautiful!

Clayton Bigsby
Apr 17, 2005

Shooting birds with manual focus can be quite the challenge; looking forward to seeing some shots!

Maker Of Shoes
Sep 4, 2006

AWWWW YISSSSSSSSSS
DIS IS MAH JAM!!!!!!

untitled by jankyangles, on Flickr

Maker Of Shoes
Sep 4, 2006

AWWWW YISSSSSSSSSS
DIS IS MAH JAM!!!!!!
Cross post from the GBS critter thread


DSC_8066 by jankyangles, on Flickr


small-8050 by jankyangles, on Flickr


small-8027 by jankyangles, on Flickr

Never thought I'd see anything like this in the middle of Phoenix. I knew there was one and I have been following it for a month trying to get a picture but when I finally had something of an opportunity I found two.

Dread Head
Aug 1, 2005

0-#01

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

We might be fucked, sir.
Fallen Rib
Pelicans and cormorants and griebes.

SD 101 57 by Execudork, on Flickr

SD 101 55 by Execudork, on Flickr

SD 101 52 by Execudork, on Flickr

SD 101 33 by Execudork, on Flickr

Ghost Cactus
Dec 25, 2006
Tried to get some nightjars the other evening but ended up with blurry, dark pictures and frustration.

Canyon wren (finally):

DSC_4602 by Ghost Cactus, on Flickr

A juvenile something or other:

DSC_4718 by Ghost Cactus, on Flickr

And either a cliff or a cave swallow juvenile that was hiding from me in its nest:

DSC_3926 by Ghost Cactus, on Flickr


CSC_3978 by Ghost Cactus, on Flickr

Dr. Despair
Nov 4, 2009


39 perfect posts with each roll.

Raven


DSC_0092.jpg by MrDespair, on Flickr


DSC_0085.jpg by MrDespair, on Flickr

fnif
Apr 21, 2007
xDm
They have a nest in the roof of my terrace

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.
For the first time in my life I went and chased a rarity this weekend. We've only had two Painted Buntings recorded in Washington state and I couldn't resist such a beautiful (and hard to loving photograph) bird.


Painted Bunting by beastofexmoor, on Flickr

This guy was a nice surprise. Not many people get to see a Painted Bunting and Snowy Owl within a 30 minute drive in July.


Summer Snowy Owl by beastofexmoor, on Flickr


Snoqualmie Townsend's Warbler by beastofexmoor, on Flickr


American Kestrel by beastofexmoor, on Flickr


Swainson's Hawk (Light Morph) by beastofexmoor, on Flickr


Swainson's Hawk (Dark Morph) by beastofexmoor, on Flickr

Ghost Cactus
Dec 25, 2006

BeastOfExmoor posted:

For the first time in my life I went and chased a rarity this weekend. We've only had two Painted Buntings recorded in Washington state and I couldn't resist such a beautiful (and hard to loving photograph) bird.


Painted Bunting by beastofexmoor, on Flickr


Swainson's Hawk (Light Morph) by beastofexmoor, on Flickr


Swainson's Hawk (Dark Morph) by beastofexmoor, on Flickr

I'm jealous of the find - definitely worth making the trip, and that's a beautiful photo. I've never seen one. I only just saw a Varied Bunting for the first time this spring.

Our Swainson's Hawks just have the dark head - they're light from the chest down. Today on a bike ride I saw a proud momma Swainson's Hawk and two juveniles hanging out on the telephone pole where their nest box is. :3:

I pestered some Cactus Wrens a lot the other day.


DSC_5131 by Ghost Cactus, on Flickr


DSC_5153 by Ghost Cactus, on Flickr

This guy was shaking something out of old yucca fruits (don't know if it was the seeds - I thought those were black, not red), and flying down to pick them up.

DSC_5259 by Ghost Cactus, on Flickr

drat.

DSC_5252 by Ghost Cactus, on Flickr

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.

Ghost Cactus posted:

I'm jealous of the find - definitely worth making the trip, and that's a beautiful photo. I've never seen one. I only just saw a Varied Bunting for the first time this spring.

Our Swainson's Hawks just have the dark head - they're light from the chest down. Today on a bike ride I saw a proud momma Swainson's Hawk and two juveniles hanging out on the telephone pole where their nest box is. :3:



Yea, my books all show the light morph of Swainson's Hawks being like you describe, so I'm not sure what was up with that guy.

Varied Bunting would be very cool. I just found out I'm probably going to North Carolina at the end of the month and am hoping to find some Indigo Buntings while I'm there.


Male Evening Grosbeak by beastofexmoor, on Flickr


Female Evening Grosbeak by beastofexmoor, on Flickr


Say's Phoebe by beastofexmoor, on Flickr


Virginia Rail by beastofexmoor, on Flickr


20120712-20120712-_MG_0845.jpg by beastofexmoor, on Flickr


White-Crowned Sparrow by beastofexmoor, on Flickr


Brown-Headed Cowbird by beastofexmoor, on Flickr

Clayton Bigsby
Apr 17, 2005

That first Grosbeak is a real stunner.

Went to my birding spot yesterday but it was pretty deserted (July being the low point of the year). Just got some geese.

Clayton Bigsby
Apr 17, 2005

Rare that I only bring home a few decent shots, but last night was rather light on bird activity.



sensy v2.0
May 12, 2001

Female common blackbird (I think):

IMG_9588 by like okay cool dude, on Flickr

dopaMEAN
Dec 4, 2004
Would a Canon Rebel T3 with "EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Lens" work for bird shooting?

There's a refurbished one on sale for $350, and it'd be nice to use something other than a mediocre point and shoot to photograph birds!

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

dopaMEAN posted:

Would a Canon Rebel T3 with "EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Lens" work for bird shooting?

There's a refurbished one on sale for $350, and it'd be nice to use something other than a mediocre point and shoot to photograph birds!

Not really, no. You want a lens with a much longer focal range, 150-200mm is what I would recommend as being the bare minimum. I've shot birds at 55mm, but only the ones that were pretty much tamed by us after hand feeding them for a year.

If you're shooting other things though (like landscapes), the wider angle kit lens can be good, and you can pick up a 55-250mm f/4-f/5.6 for around $200 (or less) to shoot birds that will work with the same camera.

dopaMEAN
Dec 4, 2004

HookShot posted:

Not really, no. You want a lens with a much longer focal range, 150-200mm is what I would recommend as being the bare minimum. I've shot birds at 55mm, but only the ones that were pretty much tamed by us after hand feeding them for a year.

If you're shooting other things though (like landscapes), the wider angle kit lens can be good, and you can pick up a 55-250mm f/4-f/5.6 for around $200 (or less) to shoot birds that will work with the same camera.

Thanks! Maybe I'll pick it up and add a better lens when I have the cash.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

It's all a matter of perspective...
Grimey Drawer

dopaMEAN posted:

Would a Canon Rebel T3 with "EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Lens" work for bird shooting?

There's a refurbished one on sale for $350, and it'd be nice to use something other than a mediocre point and shoot to photograph birds!

I agree that the lens would be pretty worthless for birds, and that the 55-250 seems to be the place to start out if you want to spend < $500 on a long lens. I don't know anything about the T3- it will certainly beat a point and shoot for photo quality. I'd recommend going to Best Buy or Target or wherever and trying to hold one and see how you like it. My uneducated guess is that if you are planning on doing much with manual controls and customization, that something like a refurb T1i might be better, or even one of the old XXD models if you don't care too much about video. It might just be what I've heard/seen: friends doing wildlife photography have generally been pretty happy with the T1/T2i's but the friends with T2/T3 are mostly into the gimmicky effects.

Dr. Despair
Nov 4, 2009


39 perfect posts with each roll.

I think Tamron's 70-300 VC is a better choice in the <$500 range. It's a great lens to begin with, and the extra 100mm will help a ton.

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting
Where should I start as far as taking better shots? I am the n00bs in the thread title.


P8088500 by signalnois3, on Flickr


P8078501 by signalnois3, on Flickr


In thinking first I need a higher ISO, although it's tricky because my bird lens has a fixed f/

vxsarin
Oct 29, 2004


ASK ME ABOUT MY AP WIRE PHOTOS

signalnoise posted:

In thinking first I need a higher ISO, although it's tricky because my bird lens has a fixed f/

Just based on the photos you posted...user a higher iso, wider aperture, and a faster shutter.

vxsarin
Oct 29, 2004


ASK ME ABOUT MY AP WIRE PHOTOS
A good ole Great Blue Heron. Love stalking and shooting these guys.


Happy Heron by Paul Frederiksen, on Flickr

Maker Of Shoes
Sep 4, 2006

AWWWW YISSSSSSSSSS
DIS IS MAH JAM!!!!!!
I couldn't find any eagles so I had to improvise.


small-8293 by jankyangles, on Flickr

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Syndromic Impostor
Mar 13, 2008

Hey!


Peacock by Ztyrp, on Flickr


I, too, finally got around getting some birds uploaded.


Colibri & Mimosa by Ztyrp, on Flickr
Heavily cropped colibri. drat they're fast.


Flamingo by Ztyrp, on Flickr


Bird evil eye by Ztyrp, on Flickr


Paddling in the Pond by Ztyrp, on Flickr


Grey Crowned Crane by Ztyrp, on Flickr

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