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My guess is it's perfectly normal and the more you skate the less your back will hurt. You're probably tensing up a lot because skating is so unfamiliar to you and you're thinking really hard when doing it, so it's not much of a surprise when it's done and over with parts of your body are stiff/sore/whatever. Best suggestion--stretch a lot before and after you skate and keep at it! It'll only come easy to you if you keep trying.
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Just do your damndest to get someone who knows what the gently caress they're doing to teach you how to do them before you pile on the plates. You can seriously gently caress up your back if you do a deadlift wrong and while internet tutorials can certainly show you what proper technique is, they can't show you what you're doing wrong. You want someone standing nearby who can instantly spot problems.
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Jun 27, 2012 17:06
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xzzy posted:Just do your damndest to get someone who knows what the gently caress they're doing to teach you how to do them before you pile on the plates. And really, while weight training is always a good thing (so long as you know what you're doing), I think more than anything you just need to get used to skating, JetsGuy.
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Jun 27, 2012 17:09
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Yeah, I'm not a fan of deadlifts at all. It seems like there's too much that can go wrong. I get that it's an effective exercise and zillions of people do them without issue, but there are a dozen other ways to work my back without having to worry if a lapse is going to cause me permanent problems. My favorite lately is dumbbell swings, and they completely destroy my back. Well, they destroy my whole body if I do enough of them but the topic here is back exercises. 
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Jun 27, 2012 17:25
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I better not skate because I may take a skate blade to the throat. Deadlifts own you big babies.
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Jun 27, 2012 17:35
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:I better not skate because I may take a skate blade to the throat.
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Jun 27, 2012 18:28
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Yeah, I suppose. I'm super paranoid about back problems because they seem like the sort of thing where once they start up, they never go away and gently caress up your life for years. A skate to the neck probably won't delegate you to a chair for the rest of your days.
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Jun 27, 2012 18:32
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coldwind posted:False. Neckguard. Your move. Seen a neckguard not doing poo poo. Right by our bench. got sliced. blood everywhere. I was maybe a Peewee..it was terrifying.
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Jun 27, 2012 18:52
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:Do barbell deadlifts. Other than that, your body will naturally get used to the skating motion after a while. If your shins are all scraped after doing a rep or two of these: congratulations, you may be doing it correctly!
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Jun 27, 2012 19:30
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Awesome Animals posted:Seen a neckguard not doing poo poo. Right by our bench. got sliced. blood everywhere. I was maybe a Peewee..it was terrifying. Get a real neck guard.
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Jun 27, 2012 19:55
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Aniki posted:Get a real neck guard. Looks like some sort of BDSM product. I'm gagging just thinking about wearing that playing hockey.
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Jun 27, 2012 20:57
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D C posted:I'm gagging just thinking about wearing that playing hockey. That gagging feeling is a lot like what you'll feel when a puck crushes your trachea. Just not as painful!
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Jun 27, 2012 20:59
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xzzy posted:Yeah, I'm not a fan of deadlifts at all. It seems like there's too much that can go wrong. I get that it's an effective exercise and zillions of people do them without issue, but there are a dozen other ways to work my back without having to worry if a lapse is going to cause me permanent problems. Unless you have a medical condition and a doctor has told you not to deadlift, you really should do them. Learn from a buddy or someone at the gym and do them. All the best lifts for hockey are all very technical, squats, power cleans and deadlifts. Compound lifts teach coordination which is exactly how strength is applied in a game. Start low and work your way up slowly. Do them once or twice a week and add 5lbs each time. If you start low enough, you'll get plenty of time and experience to learn to do the lift correctly. I don't think it's a coincidence that I stopped getting pain in my lower back after I did the best exercise at strengthen my lower back. Plus, deadlifts are probably the most satisfying lift you can do at the gym.
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Jun 27, 2012 21:09
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Aniki posted:Get a real neck guard. Oh god. I, like most players, quit wearing one when I was 14 anyways.
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Jun 27, 2012 21:35
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I wore one when I was playing outside because it was just too cold :3 Lifting is awesome, you should do it, but you should learn how to do it safely.
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Jun 27, 2012 21:50
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xzzy posted:I'm super paranoid about back problems because they seem like the sort of thing where once they start up, they never go away and gently caress up your life for years. On the other hand, skate to the neck can neck can kill you.
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loving bro hug posted:I'm jealous of the "hockey shop/store" choices some of you have. So far the only thing I've found here in the Charlotte, NC area is the pro-shop at the rink I go to (which isn't bad, just not a big selection) and Play It Again Sports (Not much adult gear). Haven't really looked that hard though... anyone in NC have any feedback regarding Fivehole Sports http://www.fiveholesports.com/ ? Hell yes. I'm up in Raleigh and I go to the Five Hole shop up here. They helped me get fitted right for all my gear when I first started playing and they answered all my questions and didn't laugh at the stupid ones. I believe they'll also match online prices for new merch, but don't hold me to that. Definitely check them out. Also, welcome to the thread, fellow NC hockey goon -- so far I've been the only one.
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Jun 27, 2012 22:02
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D C posted:Looks like some sort of BDSM product. There was a thread on another forum about a goalie who took a puck to the throat that crushed his trachea and after seeing that, I got over my hangups about wearing something on my neck and ordered a Maltese combo. I honestly don't even notice it anymore and wearing some extra neck protection is a lot better than worrying about taking a skate or a blunt impact to the troat.
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Jun 27, 2012 22:07
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Just saw a guy playing roller on Monday take an inadvertant stick to the adams apple during a game. He was bent forward lunging for the puck and someone was coming behind him. A third guy lifted the stick of the second guy, clipping the first guy right in the throat. Helmet came straight off, he rolled around panicking for a bit because the wind was knocked out of him but as he started to breathe again, he relaxed and took a seat on the bench.
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Jun 27, 2012 22:12
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I think if I wore a cage, neck guard, shoulder pads, slash guards, foot guards, calf wraps, ballistic eye protection, etc, I'd probably get hurt more often than I do now just because I would feel like nothing could ever hurt me, ever.
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Jun 27, 2012 22:57
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bewbies posted:I think if I wore a cage, neck guard, shoulder pads, slash guards, foot guards, calf wraps, ballistic eye protection, etc, I'd probably get hurt more often than I do now just because I would feel like nothing could ever hurt me, ever. Not to mention the heat stroke you'd inflict on yourself from burying yourself under all that gear prior to sprinting up and down a 200 foot sheet of ice.
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Jun 27, 2012 23:02
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Bought skates then got stuck in traffic and missed open ice for today  I can sign up for a class that starts tomorrow but I was hoping to familiarize myself with these a bit first. Maybe I'll wait for next week's class and do a few open ice sessions before then.
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Jun 28, 2012 00:36
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Back in the fall, I bought skates. Then we had a non-winter so I never got in the mood to go out and skate much. I went exactly once. But now its really hot and the idea of being near ice appeals to me. Obviously they need broken in, but they were murder on my feet. They feel fine on and when I tried skates on and so on. I plan on getting some in-soles. But what I'm curious about...I'm assuming part of the reason they hurt my arches is that my ankles and feet and such are, uh, weak from being a lazy slob for the better part of 15 years. Is there anything I can do exercise-wise to mitigate the part where my feet are killing me after a few minutes while breaking my skates in? Of course, it also crossed my mind that maybe I made a bad decision in my selection of skates, but they did feel good when I tried them on!
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Jun 28, 2012 02:13
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Look up some foot stretches, they can help a little. You can't really know if they fit properly or not until you've got a couple hours in them.
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Zamboni_Rodeo posted:Hell yes. I'm up in Raleigh and I go to the Five Hole shop up here. They helped me get fitted right for all my gear when I first started playing and they answered all my questions and didn't laugh at the stupid ones. I believe they'll also match online prices for new merch, but don't hold me to that. Awesome, thanks for the insight! I'll pay them a visit in the next few weeks.  
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Sash! posted:Back in the fall, I bought skates. Then we had a non-winter so I never got in the mood to go out and skate much. I went exactly once. But now its really hot and the idea of being near ice appeals to me. They're always super comfortable until you start skating in them. Your first few hours in them will be hell on your arches. I find I get arch pain any time I take a break of even two weeks off the ice. Give them a few more sessions to see how your feet adapt to them. You'll be surprised at how after a few weeks (if you're skating at least once a week) your feet feel a hell of a lot better.
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I tried on Bauer, Reebok, Graf and CCM. Bauers were pinchy, Reebok and Graf felt ok but sloppy. CCM's fit great, just perfect. Kept going down in sizes until I ended up at 6.5, I thought I was going to get 8's. Anyway had a 6v6 game for 90 minutes on my third time in the skates and not a single sign of a blister. I guess what I'm saying is don't be afraid to go small and if they don't feel great right away try something else. Took me 40 minutes of open skate, one game with lots of lines, and that 6v6 for 90 minutes to get used to the new skates Also back pain ouch, my back hurts biking but gets used to it by the end of the season so I've been trying to bike more. Also bend straight down instead of off to the side, it helps with back pain while doing stickhandling stuff.
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Sash! posted:Obviously they need broken in, but they were murder on my feet. They feel fine on and when I tried skates on and so on. I plan on getting some in-soles. But what I'm curious about...I'm assuming part of the reason they hurt my arches is that my ankles and feet and such are, uh, weak from being a lazy slob for the better part of 15 years. Yea, pretty much for me the muscles in the bottom of my foot weren't used to working so much, and in such a different way to balance itself on an edge. It probably doesn't help that I over pronate.
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Hockeymonkey.com offering 15% off selected items and i think the checkout code is gearup15 sorry for the double post, thought you all should know 
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sellouts posted:Lifting is awesome, you should do it, but you should learn how to do it safely. These dudes are right. Once you learn proper form for doing squats and deadlifts, you will really not injure yourself. In fact, you'll improve your core strength and balance which will help with back problems. Why do you think all high level athletes lift weights as well?
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Topoisomerase posted:Why do you think all high level athletes lift weights as well? So they can impress chicks at the beach and kick sand on nerds?
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Got back on the ice today for session 2. The first time, I lasted 15 minutes before my feet couldn't take it any more. Today, I made it 40 minutes. Improvement! The drop in ice time had 3 skaters 30 year old man (me) 16 year old girl 10 year old girl
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Pretty busy week- Monday: 8PM game Tuesday 9PM skills clinic Wednesday 9:20 game Thursday 9:30 3 0n 3 pickup the highlight reel includes scoring with a tip-in off my cup, seeing the skills coach make a player do pushups for missing the net and walking around like a zombie at work.
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I got my first skates on wednesday, Bauer Vapor X4s, and finally got to give them a try today. I think this was only my third time on the ice period but it was still a huge difference. It was almost terrifying how fast I could get moving compared to rental skates. For the most part I just spent the day getting used to the edge on these things. I did a bit of one-footed skating to work on balance, and started to get in to crossovers while turning for speed, but mostly just took it easy to get more comfortable on the ice. On Thursday I'll have my first class so hopefully there will be someone to push me in the right direction because I've got unlimited public sessions for the month to practice on my own aside from that. I'm all ears if any of you have tips for what a good progression of skill learning should be.
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Stops, c-cuts, transitions. Get started on those and you'll have a great foundation for everything else. Swizzles too.. though they don't seem like much of a "skill" because it's probably the most basic skating technique out there, paying attention to technique will help your non-crossover strides.
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xzzy posted:Stops, c-cuts, transitions. Get started on those and you'll have a great foundation for everything else. Are c-cuts just big swizzles? I've been trying to figure out the difference watching this video and can't seem to tell. Also work on backwards. It sucks at first, but once you get used to it it's not so bad.
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AboveAndBeyond posted:Are c-cuts just big swizzles? I've been trying to figure out the difference watching this video and can't seem to tell. Mostly yeah, but swizzles are more of a glide and a c-cut has more of a "flick" to it.. which is where that grindy ice noise comes from. You can see how he's producing snow in that video, which swizzles won't do. I guess you could call it the power skating version of a swizzle because it generates a lot more speed. It also lets you get your foot back under center faster so the other foot can push. Backwards c-cuts make a little more sense because it's just about the only way to get any decent speed going backwards (without doing crossovers anyway).
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Topoisomerase posted:These dudes are right. Once you learn proper form for doing squats and deadlifts, you will really not injure yourself. In fact, you'll improve your core strength and balance which will help with back problems. Why do you think all high level athletes lift weights as well? You might want to start with plate loaded leg presses if you (like me) have a bad back, or (like me) hasn't done much training earlier, instead of squats. At least I was told so by my PT. I just started deadlifts at the same time and the first day felt like my hamstrings had been cut open and raped. But yhea, when the PT went through my form, I was kinda amazed in how many ways you could do deadlifts wrong, so I guess having an actuall trainer, or someone who knows them well, to show you how to do it the first time is propably a very good idea.
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Topoisomerase posted:Once you learn proper form for doing squats and deadlifts, Exrx.net is a pretty good site for learning proper form for a huge variety of exercises.
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Welp. All done with hockey for the next month and a half or so. We lost the Mid-C tournament to the #1 ranked team, who were clearly ready for uppper-C/low-B. (Holy ridiculous forecheck, Batman!) Along the way, one of our forwards broke his ankle. He went to battle along the boards and a guy who was probably 3" taller put him on his rear end and then fell on him. Our man had his right leg pinned under him and...well...that didn't end well. Thankfully that gives me six weeks to ride/rehab the knee.
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