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Students of New at university? Want to get involved with student politics, but don't want to join a bunch of lefty socialists like People and Planet or Conservative Future? Say Hello to the National some shitheads posted:The National Culturist movement is Britains foremost culturist movement, making anti-egalitarian and socially conservative politics accessible for younger people for the first time. Tell me more! their FAQ posted:With the Conservative party offering little in terms of conservative policies, and the youth of today being hypnotised by fascist ‘anti-fascist’ movements that hate UKIP, the EDL and other British movements, it is down to the National Culturists to help engage young people in socially conservative and pro-British politics. There's plenty of comedy on the website for anyone who wants to hunt for it, but to me the best bit is their logo.  Connotations? What connotations? Their fascist roots are betrayed by the fact that out of everything to focus on, they focus on AntiFA - a thorn in the side of thugs who'd like to beat the crap out of people for being repeatedly & persistantly pakistani, but not particularly well-represented on campus. Also betraying their fascist roots; almost everything they say: some Oswald Mosely fetishists posted:Here at the National Culturists we pride ourselves in being an anti-racist campaign for the preservation of global culture – whether it’s British culture, French culture, or Eastern culture. All cultures on this globe are important, and if we don’t take a stand against multiculturalism then we could soon see every country in the world become the same. Otherwise known as the "I don't mind wogs so long as they stay in wogland"  argument. The link to their "ideological statement" on the website is broken, so they might take some time to become the powerhouse they expect to be, but thank God they're here to defend our culture!An example of the culture they're defending: http://liveraf.wordpress.com/2012/07/06/boneheads-attack-musician-his-family-at-anti-fascist-fundraising-event-in-liverpool/
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Oh god , let them try it. The penalties for harrassing judges and juries can be incredibly harsh. Like literally the judge can put you away for contempt , and not let you out , well ever if he so wishes. No appeal either. Contempt of court is its own entire dimension of pain.
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Jul 7, 2012 14:12
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Ichabod Sexbeast posted:A little late, but to Duckmonster and all foreign goons: We're really, really loving sorry about exporting our twats. Its south africa that usually generates the worst of them, to be honest.
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Jul 7, 2012 14:14
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Islam is fundamentally incompatible with the UK due to the rigid separation of our church and state. This is what the National Culturalists believe, Remember they are all about 17 judging by their biogs on that site.
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Jul 7, 2012 14:38
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Serotonin posted:Islam is fundamentally incompatible with the UK due to the rigid separation of our church and state. That is quite a spectacular failing of your education system.
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Jul 7, 2012 15:15
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Orange Devil posted:That is quite a spectacular failing of your education system. They'll get to that chapter in the textbook soon just give them time.
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Jul 7, 2012 15:27
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Serotonin you going to the anti EDL protest next Saturday? If so I was wondering if you wanted to go for a pint after before you head back home.
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Jul 7, 2012 15:55
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 I'll just leave you to look at this image for a while. Apparently it was created for a spoof page (Britchan, I'm informed). Here, the EDL are using it, unironically. They are very, very special.
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Jul 7, 2012 18:23
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Are they going to make "special appearance" at London Olympics?
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Jul 7, 2012 18:25
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Section 31 posted:Are they going to make "special appearance" at London Olympics?  I think they're gonna try. :/
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Jul 7, 2012 18:44
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Orange Devil posted:That is quite a spectacular failing of your education system. They also think that NO2EU are a right wing nationalist party, so...
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Jul 7, 2012 20:01
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Serotonin posted:They also think that NO2EU are a right wing nationalist party, so... Does this belief make them more or less likely to vote for them?
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Jul 8, 2012 02:10
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KayTee posted:
Erm... I'm probably reaching for another BNP/303 Squadron moment but I think that those missiles at the top of the page are S-75 Dzwina missiles, made by the godless communist Soviet Union and used throughout the Arab world:  (first GIS result for "surface to air missile", and possibly the source image they used)
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Jul 9, 2012 22:04
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KayTee posted:
See, that's interesting. I mean we know fascists lust for a draconian security state, but you rarely see it this explicit. Or at least I don't. Being a provincial Yank, I'm more accustomed to fascist groupuscules that have this paranoiac libertarianism to them, and that'd treat the Olympics and the security around it to be a plot to take away our guns and sell the country out to Geneva. The other thing: the attraction of fascists to mass athletic sporting events.
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Jul 10, 2012 00:21
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Serotonin posted:They also think that NO2EU are a right wing nationalist party, so... Sadly not uncommon. I stopped telling people when I voted for them in my local elections because people kept thinking I was some sort of BNP supporter.
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Jul 10, 2012 00:24
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It's almost like No2EU was a really lovely name or something.
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Jul 10, 2012 09:34
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I dismissed No2EU at the time because the name was dumb and I though they were some fascist party.
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Jul 10, 2012 09:39
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I would find it hard to vote for a political group that used a number in place of a letter. Regardless of their politics, that just seems uncouth.
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Jul 10, 2012 09:45
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To be fair No2EU were paranoid shitlords that didn't deserve votes. Yes, I am sore about them calling me a Tory plant.
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Jul 10, 2012 09:53
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No2EU, wasn't that the badly disguised SPEW / RMT front?
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Jeoh posted:No2EU, wasn't that the badly disguised SPEW / RMT front? Badly disguised enough that everyone thought they were right-wing, yes.
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Jul 10, 2012 10:10
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How many members does the EDL have?
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Jul 10, 2012 11:23
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An0 posted:How many members does the EDL have? More than zero, so too many. Serious answer - not as many as they claim, by a long shot. Apparently, they claim about 100,000 members, but a study by Demos suggests around 25,000 to 35,000 'active backers'. And only a very small percentage consistently turn up to things and cause trouble, so who knows who could or couldn't be properly termed a 'member'. Bear in mind I'm only citing links from wikipedia here, though. I'm sure KayTee may have a better idea/sources.
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Jul 10, 2012 11:43
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KayTee posted:
Followers of Islam like...the dozens of Olympic teams from Islamic countries? 
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Barry Foster posted:More than zero, so too many. We have no idea for sure. Officially the EDL doesn't have "members", it's a legal loophole they use to avoid responsibility for actions on their demos. Not that they need worry - to date nearly every EDL member who has gone up in court has denied membership with the group almost immediately, sometimes the group denies the individuals membership too. We call it the EDL's Quantum Division. Where an individual was always a 'member' until they're caught doing something illegal, in which case they were never a 'member'. I'd argue hard with the Wikipedia article. At one point Tommeh did claim that they had 100,000 'members' based purely off their Facebook likes (Later in the same interview he was called up on some of the posts on the FB page, and he said that it was "Just Facebook" and couldn't be relied on). 3 of those previous FB likes were me. After a hacking group (Z-Company I think) took down their FB page they've struggled to get figures back up. They're currently at just under 9,000 on their FB page (they jumped up by almost 2,000 after a Dispatches programme a few months back). The Likes on the individual division pages are useless as a guide, as they encourage each 'member' to sign up to almost every Division. Again, a fair chunk of those are trolls, curious onlookers and Antifa. The Demos have dropped drastically, from being able to pull up to 5,000 to recent demos of no more than 500. They are slowly dying as the occasions of football-riot piss-ups no longer happen, most have little to no money to attend and others realise that the EDL/BFP do not do what they thought. At some point we're hoping that someone in a position of authority will realise now much of a drain on police forces and public money the EDL are, with so few costing so much (The last demo in Dewsbury barely topped 400, not including counter-protesters, and cost nearly £500,000) and either find a way to charge them, or proscribe them outright. A couple of MPs (Mehboob Kahn and Simon Reevell have both voiced concerns over this facet.)
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18777992 Apparently the people who were stopped on the motorway and were found to have guns were on their way to attack an EDL march. Very much hope this doesn't lead to an escalation.
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Jul 10, 2012 14:17
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18777992 Do idiotic people on both sides of the fence just enjoy feeding each other's hatred? Or is this just a case of the EDL pushing too far? Because neither side has any moral leg to stand on... I mean, did it occur to these folks that maybe, just maybe, their actions are gonna make it a lot harder for the anti-racists to seem legitimate (In the eyes of the typical populace)? That they're going to feed into the stereotypes? That their actions are going to make the lives of their families and immigrants at large difficult?
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An0 posted:How many members does the EDL have? They don't have a membership structure, I suppose its's best to go by attendance at demonstrations really- a few years ago when they first got started attendance was at 3 or 4 thousand for a national demonstration and maybe a few hundred at regional ones, now national ones get 3 or 4 hundred and regionals go from anywhere from 5-6 people to a few hundred, depending on what local sentiments have been whipped up. That and at any demonstration it's hard to tell who is EDL and who is one of the splitter groups, or a more traditional group like the brazenly fascist national front. DesperateDan fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Jul 10, 2012 |
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18777992 Very lucky that they didn't get through. That is one guaranteed route to increase edl membership tenfold over night.
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Would it seriously, though? I mean, the Defense Leagues are one tenth of their original strength as it is, and that is primarily because their members are batshit retarded and act out in public? I fail to see how one attempt to attack their gatherings would mean a resurgent boom in membership.
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Jul 10, 2012 16:52
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If they were successful in attacking a large group of people in a public place with guns and an IED then yes. All thats happened up til now is a load of people shouting at each other, this would be entirely different.
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KayTee, you seem pretty well informed - are you just a concerned citizen, or do you help out with research for a group of some description, keeping tabs on cunts? Apologies if I missed it beforehand, but I've been meaning to do so myself - I spend too much time reading on the internet as it is, it may as well be for something useful. Can I join in? Is there a vetting process? Some kind of underground Freedom Lair?
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Ichabod Sexbeast posted:KayTee, you seem pretty well informed - are you just a concerned citizen, or do you help out with research for a group of some description, keeping tabs on cunts? Apologies if I missed it beforehand, but I've been meaning to do so myself - I spend too much time reading on the internet as it is, it may as well be for something useful. Can I join in? Is there a vetting process? Some kind of underground Freedom Lair? I'm just a member and occasional poster on a couple of Facebook pages that follow the EDL and generally take the piss out of them, and that's pretty much all I've been doing for the last 2-3 years. If you do want to get involved the admins of this FB page are a good mix of activists and EDLNews has a contact/contribute section.
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KayTee posted:We have no idea for sure. Officially the EDL doesn't have "members", it's a legal loophole they use to avoid responsibility for actions on their demos. Not that they need worry - to date nearly every EDL member who has gone up in court has denied membership with the group almost immediately, sometimes the group denies the individuals membership too. We call it the EDL's Quantum Division. Where an individual was always a 'member' until they're caught doing something illegal, in which case they were never a 'member'. It reminds me of an old antifa joke about stormfront one day holding a conference and everyone gets there and realises that stormfronts membership is 100% antifa ,Black + Jewish folks and FBI agents all undercover spying on each other. The black guy with white face paint and a stick-on hitler moustach, being the first give away. also "Captain, we have information about a new blood and honor cell forming in Brixton. Are they scotland yard, or MI5?" "This lots probably Searchlight" is probably truer than one might imagine. duck monster fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Jul 11, 2012 |
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Jul 11, 2012 04:35
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Just a reminder to Bristolians to bash the fash this weekend
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duck monster posted:It reminds me of an old antifa joke about stormfront one day holding a conference and everyone gets there and realises that stormfronts membership is 100% antifa ,Black + Jewish folks and FBI agents all undercover spying on each other. The black guy with white face paint and a stick-on hitler moustach, being the first give away. G K Chesterton wrote an excellent novel about this called "The man who was Thursday", although that was anarchists rather than fascists.
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And it was really more about a caricature of anarchists as nihilists, rather than anything like anarchism.
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The Man who was Thursday was a response to a scare about anarchists and (particularly) terrorism by anarchists. Chesterton is a pretty interesting authour, but I don't think it's inaccurate to see The Man who was Thursday as somewhat comparable to media now that depict terrorists as deranged agents of chaos beyond ideology.Tias posted:Would it seriously, though? I mean, the Defense Leagues are one tenth of their original strength as it is, and that is primarily because their members are batshit retarded and act out in public? I think this is just liberal 'violence begets violence, always and inherently' stuff. Something like that could shatter a group not ready for something as real as that or it could splinter them off or it could make them into a hotter, more violent core or it could make them look more legitimate or any number of other things.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Erm... I'm probably reaching for another BNP/303 Squadron moment but I think that those missiles at the top of the page are S-75 Dzwina missiles, made by the godless communist Soviet Union and used throughout the Arab world:  
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Section 31 posted:Eh, it's not exactly a big deal... I don't have much experience with the hillbilly type shitheels the EDL generally cater to, I've only ever conversed with the 'racialist' Stormfront types who believe people from the Caucasus (Stalin) aren't white because it's sort-of in Asia. That's a thing apparently.
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