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Those garbage bags look like they were photoshopped in. I question the authenticity of the image. Although I suppose that's not really the point, is it.
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Aeka 2.0 posted:You mashed that post button as fast as you could. Look a few posts up. Oh no, I saw the post above. I was just adding that I also got that email and that was the conversation that occurred.
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myron cope posted:Those garbage bags look like they were photoshopped in. I question the authenticity of the image. I had the exact same thought; especially the one on the left. And why would they have taken that picture in the first place? Oh look at us with our trash! And honestly if its fake, to me that makes it even more malicious because of the extra lengths they took to make that joke.
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I laughed. Its actually a pretty decent gag all things considered.
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Miltank posted:I laughed. Its actually a pretty decent gag all things considered. No. No it is not.
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Miltank posted:I laughed. Its actually a pretty decent gag all things considered.
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Anyone see this crap? http://usactionnews.com/2012/06/83-of-doctors-may-quit-if-obamacare-is-implemented/ http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/09/report-83-percent-of-doctors-have-considered-quitting-over-obamacare/ This is what I've found about it so far, but I'd like more info: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Doctor_Patient_Medical_Association
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Well the first one seems credible. "83% say they are thinking about QUITTING" that is totally believable. Over 80% of doctors are willing to give up their life's work because of ~THE GOVERNMENT~ and, I dunno, take tickets at a movie theater? Also the author of that first article is "1ststarfighter" on twitter. 
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Sarion posted:Attack the bad ideas, attack the bad reasoning and falsehoods that lead to those bad ideas; but attacking or labeling the people who hold those views is counterproductive. Yet if he was responding to me (which he was), then it serves to note that I didn't label anyone. I said "self-described moderates," the definition of which is pretty self-descriptive. Moderate doesn't really even mean anything. All sides are extreme in some way. I'm a Democratic Socialist. To a Socialist, that is a pretty conservative point of view, what with those trappings of capitalism I'd like to keep around. To Barack Obama (who is frequently called a socialist) that is an extremely liberal point of view. To the point where even if he agrees with it, he realizes it is not an electable position to hold. Moderate in American politics is almost always someone who has taken the weak stance of "both sides probably have some points, I don't know what to believe." Realistically, almost nobody should fall between the positions held by Democrats and Republicans. Their positions are simply too close together. I also am not conflating "moderate" with "independent." I think it's smart to be a member of either major party if in a state with closed primaries, otherwise, whatever.
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DarkHorse posted:Anyone see this crap? I hope to god they all quite. This could only be a positive for eventual prices of healthcare in America. We could bring in foreign doctors who would be willing to work for much lower costs than the millions that modern doctors do. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByJAC-sfXwumZzI2bVlON2VTMnFyYVZZSnpDYnNyQQ/edit?pli=1 I received this from my insane Ron Paul loving libertarian friend. I...I don't even know where to begin.
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DarkHorse posted:Anyone see this crap? They couldn't even come up with a good fake number.
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Isn't the doctor/nurse shortage due to hospitals not wanting to hire more? There are plenty of people trying to get into the medical field, and since there will be more money going into it wouldn't this kind of take care of the shortage since more insurance money will go to the hospitals? Assuming money gets to the hospitals. I'm sure I'm missing something, I'm quite terrible with this stuff.
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Aeka 2.0 posted:Isn't the doctor/nurse shortage due to hospitals not wanting to hire more? There are plenty of people trying to get into the medical field, and since there will be more money going into it wouldn't this kind of take care of the shortage since more insurance money will go to the hospitals? Assuming money gets to the hospitals. I'm sure I'm missing something, I'm quite terrible with this stuff. I'm only speaking from my experience at my glorified community college that I'm attending for an Associate degree... I met with an advisor just to make sure I was on track for everything and I mentioned that a couple of my classes had a bunch of people who said they couldn't get into nursing so they were doing a Medical Coding certification program or something else like that. He said that was no surprise, there are a ton of pre-requisites to get into the nursing program there and you pretty much need to have a 3.8 GPA or higher to even get looked at. This is not a huge university, the place was a junior college until about 12 years ago. My guess is that training and education for nurses is extremely pricy for those doing the training, so they are super-selective about who gets it. That would be the first bottle-neck in the supply of labor. Meantime there are plenty of places in the papers that advertise things like CNA certification, which means you get to pay a couple thousand dollars to some scammer that allows you to MAYBE get certified by the state to treat bedsores and empty bedpans for minimum wage.
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skaboomizzy posted:I'm only speaking from my experience at my glorified community college that I'm attending for an Associate degree... There is a shortage of nursing instructors. Most nurses do not go on to get their master's degree or doctorate, but you have to have one of them to teach. That's the big problem.
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LoveMeDead posted:There is a shortage of nursing instructors. Most nurses do not go on to get their master's degree or doctorate, but you have to have one of them to teach. That's the big problem. Thank you for the clarification. I had thought that it may have been due to a "we can't just let ANYONE become a nurse, then we'd get sued" thing. Your explanation makes a lot of sense.
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Aeka 2.0 posted:Isn't the doctor/nurse shortage due to hospitals not wanting to hire more? There are plenty of people trying to get into the medical field, and since there will be more money going into it wouldn't this kind of take care of the shortage since more insurance money will go to the hospitals? Assuming money gets to the hospitals. I'm sure I'm missing something, I'm quite terrible with this stuff. I'm not sure about the nursing shortage, but the doctor shortage is because the Liaison Committee on Medical Education (LCME) generally won't accredit new med schools or allow existing ones to significantly increase spots within their current programs. The LCME is worried about a couple of things, (1) shittier med schools cropping up just like third and four tier law schools, leading to low quality programs and the terrible doctors they would produce, (2) med schools expanding their programs so far to meet demand and rake in tuition revenue that they'll decrease in quality, and (3) a glut of too many new doctors which would drastically reduce the employment rates, compensation, etc. for doctors, but without doing anything about the exorbitant costs of going to med school, kind of like the current glut of law school grads. Basically, the LCME sees what has happened to the legal services industry and is scared shitless about changing anything. Since the number of med school positions hasn't kept pace with population expansion, there's obviously going to be a shortage of doctors, but you also have to factor in attrition. Physicians have a pretty high burnout rate, so we're currently having a problem with many doctors retiring or just leaving the field entirely. The issue is that it isn't uniform across the medical field, as specialties with high salaries (e.g. ortho, neuro, derm, etc.) aren't really seeing this affect them, but other specialties are seeing it at frightening rates especially General/family practice and pediatrics, mostly because of the relatively low pay compared to the amount of work involved. This is going to be a huge problem because GPs, family docs, and peds docs are incredibly important for routine care, which is essential in prevention and cost reduction (e.g. it's easier and cheaper to treat someone when they've got pre-hypertension moderately high cholesterol than when they have a heart attack or stroke, or need a bypass or angioplasty), and in providing information and referrals to other specialties. I'm not sure how we fix any of this, so our healthcare problems are more complicated than simply working out insurance coverage.
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skaboomizzy posted:Thank you for the clarification. I had thought that it may have been due to a "we can't just let ANYONE become a nurse, then we'd get sued" thing. Your explanation makes a lot of sense. It is also extremely difficult to get through nursing school. US News ranked bachelor degrees by difficulty and nursing was ranked #1. I know nurses who saw 1/2 of their class fail over the 2 years. Nursing schools tend to have very high standards for admission to make their graduation rates look better. But most schools I know of have a year or more waitlist.
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LoveMeDead posted:It is also extremely difficult to get through nursing school. US News ranked bachelor degrees by difficulty and nursing was ranked #1. I know nurses who saw 1/2 of their class fail over the 2 years. Nursing schools tend to have very high standards for admission to make their graduation rates look better. But most schools I know of have a year or more waitlist. My wife worked in Nursing Admissions at a school in Connecticut and they had this weird lottery system. Say there were 50 slots available. 25 of those would go to the top 25 applicants (high GPA, high nursing exam scores, etc.) and the other 25 would be done lottery style on anyone that passed the nursing exam and had the minimum required GPA. At a school in Maryland, the entire thing was lottery based. So long as you met the minimum requirements, you might be accepted over the #1 top performer. It was baffling. Add all these weird admission practices to a high drop rate and you have a contributing factor to a shortage of nurses.
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skaboomizzy posted:Thank you for the clarification. I had thought that it may have been due to a "we can't just let ANYONE become a nurse, then we'd get sued" thing. Your explanation makes a lot of sense. I worked in the ICU of a level 1 trauma center, they pretty much let anyone be a nurse. 9/10 on the ACA quiz, i mistook the taxes for small business not providing health care as a requirement. EDIT: Having gone through nursing school, it really isn't that difficult. What happens is that you have an overwhelming majority of two student types who won't make it. The first is the young kid who helped feed grandpa when he got sick and really liked how that felt. They tend to do pretty good at the class work, but once you get to clinicals and start to see all the horrible poo poo nurses have to do to actually heal people, get grossed out and drop out. The other type is the older adult student who just isn't prepared for the amount of reading and testing that goes on, but I'm guessing that one is common throughout any program. Soonmot fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Jul 10, 2012 |
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DarkHorse posted:Anyone see this crap? Not exactly high level methodology from the looks of it.
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ZobarStyl posted:This was covered this morning by Media Matters; it's from a Tea Party front group that (surprise) is dedicated to fighting the ACA. The poll itself was just faxed to random practices and only had three responses: 1) Obamacare is awesome 2) Obamacare makes me want to quit my job and 3) No opinion. Ugh, if you follow the Media Matters link, you can see that Fox Nation actually has an article on this bullshit. People with actual influence are repeating this number. Dr Christmas fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jul 10, 2012 |
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Dr Christmas posted:Ugh, if you follow the Media Matters link, you can see that Fox Nation actually has an article on this bullshit. People with actual influence are repeating this number. Imagine that! Information being deliberately misinterpreted by talking heads!!
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Zenzirouj posted:Imagine that! Information being deliberately misinterpreted by talking heads!! On a Fox News affiliate, no less!
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Usually they try to come up with a less obviously bullshit number, though.
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From facebook:quote:Ben Stein recently said:
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AFewBricksShy posted:From facebook: I wonder if Ben Stein was the writer who wrote the speech in which Nixon said that everyone needs health care.
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bobkatt013 posted:I wonder if Ben Stein was the writer who wrote the speech in which Nixon said that everyone needs health care. http://www.aolnews.com/2010/03/25/opinion-giving-nixon-his-due-on-health-care-reform/ Yup.
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Yeah, the police are going to be required to check your insurance policy. That's exactly how it works.
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Only if you're white, because those illegals get a free pass!
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King Dopplepopolos posted:I found this vile piece of trash posted on my Facebook page: Ugh, I just received this awful piece of trash as a fwd:fwd:fwd from an in-law. I don't want to pick a fight with this family member, but agh I really don't find a large number of people dying in a natural disaster because levy maintenance was ignored particularly funny. In fact, I (shockingly) find it the opposite of funny.
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I have relatives who are into old timey values. "America would be a better place if only parents could muster up the courage to beat their children more.  "
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Ah yes, inculcating absolute respect for authority under penalty of violence: parent, teacher, preacher, church. That could surely never have any blowback.
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Abuse of amphetamines began in the 1930s in the US. But please, tell me more about the mystical perfect world that you grew up in that never existed.
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Yehudis Basya posted:Ugh, I just received this awful piece of trash as a fwd:fwd:fwd from an in-law. I don't want to pick a fight with this family member, but agh I really don't find a large number of people dying in a natural disaster because levy maintenance was ignored particularly funny. In fact, I (shockingly) find it the opposite of funny. Nevermind that the costal areas where the streotypical 'Louisiana Cajuns' actually live got hit worse than New Orleans. New Orleans is still here. Doing better than ever, I might add. Some cajun towns in costal louisana are straight up gone. As in, there is now the Gulf of Mexico where there used to be land with a town on it.
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Grayly Squirrel posted:Nevermind that the costal areas where the streotypical 'Louisiana Cajuns' actually live got hit worse than New Orleans. New Orleans is still here. Doing better than ever, I might add. Some cajun towns in costal louisana are straight up gone. As in, there is now the Gulf of Mexico where there used to be land with a town on it. That's city-talk. Since when did you need land for there to be a town?  (Almost everything a half-mile inland in my hometown got leveled.)
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Should probably put these in a favorites toolbar for how often they come up, but re: corporal punishment and children: On hitting children: a review of corporal punishment in the United States. The risks and alternatives to physical punishment use with children. Physical punishment, culture, and rights: current issues for professionals. "Spare the rod and spoil the child"
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