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SiKboy posted:A friend of mine is a big fan of tag team wrestling, and attended a Q&A session with Johnny Ace maybe 5ish years ago and he asked why the WWE tag team division was treated as a total afterthought (Poorly booked, thrown together tag teams, established teams losing to single wrestlers in handicap matches and so on), and Johnny Ace who was a dynamic dude and whose brother was in the goddamn road warriors basically goes "Tag team wrestling? Why would you want to watch that? Besides, it means we have to pay 4 air fares for one match instead of 2, that doesnt make sense!". Wow that's dumb. WCW dumb.
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If that was the case, why did Ace book an entirely new and separate tag division in the Cruiser tag Titles in WCW? Or was that a Bischoff call when he was preparing to buy the company?
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Johnny Ace posted:"Tag team wrestling? Why would you want to watch that?" Johnny Ace and Dr. Death vs. Mitsuharu Misawa and Kenta Kobashi, 3/4/95 Johnny Ace and Dr. Death vs. Mitsuharu Misawa and Jun Akiyama, 6/7/96
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SiKboy posted:A friend of mine is a big fan of tag team wrestling, and attended a Q&A session with Johnny Ace maybe 5ish years ago and he asked why the WWE tag team division was treated as a total afterthought (Poorly booked, thrown together tag teams, established teams losing to single wrestlers in handicap matches and so on), and Johnny Ace who was a dynamic dude and whose brother was in the goddamn road warriors basically goes "Tag team wrestling? Why would you want to watch that? Besides, it means we have to pay 4 air fares for one match instead of 2, that doesnt make sense!". Holy poo poo suddenly their entire decline period of the mid 2000s to now makes perfect sense.
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SiKboy posted:A friend of mine is a big fan of tag team wrestling, and attended a Q&A session with Johnny Ace maybe 5ish years ago and he asked why the WWE tag team division was treated as a total afterthought (Poorly booked, thrown together tag teams, established teams losing to single wrestlers in handicap matches and so on), and Johnny Ace who was a dynamic dude and whose brother was in the goddamn road warriors basically goes "Tag team wrestling? Why would you want to watch that? Besides, it means we have to pay 4 air fares for one match instead of 2, that doesnt make sense!". Wow, a guy who owes his entire career to being protected by tag team matches and related to one half of a really popular tag team is giving that line about tag team wrestling? And given that on the mic he's as talented as a concussed Mike Adamle he should be the last person disparaging managers. What a loving idiot.
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Akileese posted:Holy poo poo suddenly their entire decline period of the mid 2000s to now makes perfect sense. This and, "Chris Kreski was a storyboard nerd who tried to give everyone a storyline" with the talk that when Stephanie took over she told the writers to stop focusing on the midcard/
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Lone Rogue posted:This and, "Chris Kreski was a storyboard nerd who tried to give everyone a storyline" with the talk that when Stephanie took over she told the writers to stop focusing on the midcard/ For all their talk about how they're not wrestling and how people just don't get it that they're a TV show they sure do go out of their way to avoid using every tool that TV writing has been using since the dawn of the concept of a series. Almost as if every line they ever trot out is thinly veiled "gently caress off, if Vince Doesn't want to do it or it doesn't fit into his world view as a megalomaniac, sociopathic steroid abusing millionaire hermit it's not happening." What's really sad is that the quality of writing on Raw has remained consistently poor ever since Stephanie McMahon took over, it's just that it's becoming more apparent as more big stars leave for retirement.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Wow, a guy who owes his entire career to being protected by tag team matches and related to one half of a really popular tag team is giving that line about tag team wrestling? And given that on the mic he's as talented as a concussed Mike Adamle he should be the last person disparaging managers.
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Jul 12, 2012 09:17
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That stuff about paying twice as much money for one match is Vince's line. Johnny is a yes man more than anything else.
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The bedroom arguments between HHH and Steph are going to get nuts once Vince dies and they have nobody to blame one-another's faults on. Edit: Nobody on which to blame one-another's faults. LividLiquid fucked around with this message at 10:13 on Jul 12, 2012 |
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LividLiquid posted:The bedroom arguments between HHH and Steph are going to get nuts once Vince dies and they have nobody to blame one-another's faults on.
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Perigryn posted:Sure they do: Kevin Dunn. They'll do to him what they're doing to Laurenitis.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Dunn is gone when Vince is. IIRC, he did think that Katie Vick was a great idea...and Triple H will probably want to take his time and enjoy getting revenge for that whole mess.
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What happens when Triple H and Steph get divorced? Does Trips get Smackdown?
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Magic_Ceiling_Fan posted:What happens when Triple H and Steph get divorced? Does Trips get Smackdown?
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LividLiquid posted:once Vince dies 
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Perigryn posted:I'm so glad Triple H and his team deposed him. Now if only Creative had someone in charge who can tell Vince and Dunn that they can barely run their own tv shows competently, let alone create an entire network. The most watchable shows are those that they're less involved in and the midcard shows off they're capable of being more entertaining in shorter backstage segments than the rambling monologues you see on Raw every week. I don't know what actual influence Kevin Dunn has over creative (seems like everything bad gets blamed on him but I don't know if that blame is correctly placed) but saying he can't run a TV show is pretty silly because he's like the director or whatever and RAW and Smackdown usually run real smooth, especially considering they run every week with no hiatuses and RAW is live for 1000 EPISODES WOW!
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Hirams Bitch posted:I don't know what actual influence Kevin Dunn has over creative (seems like everything bad gets blamed on him but I don't know if that blame is correctly placed) but saying he can't run a TV show is pretty silly because he's like the director or whatever and RAW and Smackdown usually run real smooth, especially considering they run every week with no hiatuses and RAW is live for 1000 EPISODES WOW! -No JR ('too southern') -Mid PPV concerts -Less wrestling -Diva Search -Tough Enough -Katie Vick Paul Bearer said he's the only person he actually hates in all the time he's been in the business.
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I can't get too worked up over Dunn, cause at the end of the day Vince McMahon goes along with all of it. I figure Dunn just tells Vince what he wants to hear, he knows Vince's tastes by now.
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triplexpac posted:I can't get too worked up over Dunn, cause at the end of the day Vince McMahon goes along with all of it. I figure Dunn just tells Vince what he wants to hear, he knows Vince's tastes by now.
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Vince McMahon will never die. Not in our lifetimes.
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Perigryn posted:-Sheamus winning King of the Ring and then going on a losing streak afterwords was attributed to Dunn not liking him katie vick was actually mostly steph mcmahon
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Isn't Kevin Dunn the guy behind all of the rad WWE video packages? He's still a gopher-toothed gently caress, though.
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BAN DICKEYE posted:katie vick was actually mostly steph mcmahon It distracted Vince from his idea of a storyline about shagging her though, so really it was the lesser of two evils.
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Perigryn posted:Paul Bearer said he's the only person he actually hates in all the time he's been in the business. Specifically this is because Vince told Bearer he wanted him to learn the production side of the business, because he felt PB had the potential to be really good at it. He told Dunn to work with PB, and (according to PB, so take it with whatever grains of salt you may require) Dunn immediately got paranoid about his job and proceeded to sabotage PB at every opportunity until PB finally got tired of it and quit.
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BAN DICKEYE posted:katie vick was actually mostly steph mcmahon
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Ohhh they were going for an X-Files vibe, NOW it all makes sense.
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triplexpac posted:Ohhh they were going for an X-Files vibe, NOW it all makes sense. The dark humour in X-Files was that two attractive detectives who constantly work together continue to let the opportunity of banging run right by them. To the point where the story ends and Mulder turns into a novelist sex addict. I'm pretty sure "Kane" got it with "Katie Vick" at the first opportunity, which was in a church. WWE stupid.
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Lone Rogue posted:The dark humour in X-Files was that two attractive detectives who constantly work together continue to let the opportunity of banging run right by them. To the point where the story ends and Mulder turns into a novelist sex addict. Are you trying to tell me that Red Shoe Diaries is canon with X-Files?
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Der-Wreck posted:Are you trying to tell me that Red Shoe Diaries is canon with X-Files? Dont you mean Californication?
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bobkatt013 posted:Dont you mean Californication? No, I meant Red Shoe Diaries.
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Ktik posted:Watching 1996 Nitros, right around when the NWO started, WCW had a tag team division of: The crazy thing is, that wasn't even the entire division. I think Sting and Lex Luger were competing regularly in the division and in the title picture well before the Outsiders showed up. The Blue Bloods, American Males, and Fire & Ice were kicking around. I think the Quebecers had come in by that time as The Amazing French Canadians. The Power Plant grads High Voltage. It was just tag team after tag team. WCW even had jobber tag teams like The Border Patrol and Men At Work. Mid-90s WCW was tag team crazy and it was wonderful. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Jul 12, 2012 |
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STAC Goat posted:The crazy thing is, that wasn't even the entire division. I think Sting and Lex Luger were competing regularly in the division and in the title picture well before the Outsiders showed up. The Blue Bloods, American Males, and Fire & Ice were kicking around. I think the Quebecers had come in by that time as The Amazing French Canadians. The Power Plant grads High Voltage. It was just tag team after tag team. WCW even had jobber tag teams like The Border Patrol and Men At Work. Mid-90s WCW was tag team crazy and it was wonderful. They had because in the TNR emulator I ran in my calculus class my team was called the Amazing French Homosexuals.
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Der-Wreck posted:No, I meant Red Shoe Diaries. In Californication David Duchovney plays a novelist sex addict.
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bobkatt013 posted:In Californication David Duchovney plays a novelist sex addict. Yes, but he became a sex addict after years of hanging out on train tracks and reading erotic letters with his dog.
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Perry Normal posted:Yes, but he became a sex addict after years of hanging out on train tracks and reading erotic letters with his dog. No it was due to dressing up as a women and hanging out in twin peaks
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As bad as WCW was, it was always interesting to watch. I loved it when they'd have a match, like Hacksaw vs. Regal, and then after Hacksaw wins, he'd wobble around the ring as Mean Gene runs down to he can cut a promo. They'd do smart stuff like that, combining a match/promo in one segment, and then immediately afterwards, have Sting come out to his music and cut a promo against the Steiners, have him go out back, then have the Steiners come out to their music, and then have Sting/Lugar come back out. Why couldn't Sting just wait in the ring?!!? They just did something smart five minutes earlier, and then did something so stupid. Love the madness.
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That reminds me, I kind of miss the way Mean Gene used to interview WCW players at the top of the ramp. Its such a lost thing now as the big center of the ring promos completely took over. They were quick, got to the point, and got a lot of guys and stories screen time. Even if Gene just talked to a guy for 30 seconds before or after a match for some generic stuff at least it helped you get to know the guy as a character.
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STAC Goat posted:That reminds me, I kind of miss the way Mean Gene used to interview WCW players at the top of the ramp. Its such a lost thing now as the big center of the ring promos completely took over. They were quick, got to the point, and got a lot of guys and stories screen time. Even if Gene just talked to a guy for 30 seconds before or after a match for some generic stuff at least it helped you get to know the guy as a character. They've started doing this occasionally on NXT. I hope they keep it up!
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