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sootikins posted:The child murders from the 90's is most likely a reference to the recently released West Memphis Three. I bet you're right. The Satanic Panic appears to be lost to church libraries and used-book stores. There's not a line in it on their witchcraft article. Which is worth a look. First, witchcraft is a loose group of beliefs, practices, or rituals that can be variously adopted by almost anyone of any faith. Then it says Wicca and witchcraft aren't synonymous. Then it claims "many individuals who subscribe to atheism practice witchcraft and magic." (Their cited support for this: two people who know atheist witches.) Then a sensible bit on the American colonies that explains that witchhunts were power grabs. It adds: This complex supernatural world functioned to explain the unknown, sanction colonization, demonize the native population, control the colonists... Speaking of demonizing the native population, we find this: Most of the American Indian tribes believed in witchcraft and practised magic. Many Native Americans have converted to Christianity, however the old traditions of many of the tribes are still practiced and kept alive today. 
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prefect posted:There are people who believe you're Jewish if your mother was Jewish. And those people are called Jews.  Particularly, Conservative and Orthodox Jews tend to think that "Jewishness" is passed on maternally.That's "Jew" the cultural/racial/ethnic identity, not "Jew" the religion you're talking about there. The issue is muddied in this very specific case because the two concepts are, in fact, distinct but are intertwined in ways/to a degree that other cultural/religious groups aren't.
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"Liberal education system produced the latest young mass murderer: "Colorado Batman Movie Shooting Suspect James Holmes Was PhD Student." [7] "Author on mass killings and professor of sociology discusses the probable motive of the killer James Holmes.[9] The Christian Post says that anger and murder has plagued mankind since the fall of man in the garden of Eden.[10]" Do they not actually check the content they put on the front page to make sure it doesn't contradict itself? (No, of course not, conservatives could NEVER contradict themselves)
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Baronjutter posted:Is contradiction a conservative or liberal word??? Well most Newspeak words have two mutually contradictory meanings, so I guess that would make it a conserv- *Is beaten savagely, dragged off to minilov, and only ever seen again for public show trial*
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Not sure if that's more or less crazy than the shooting being a result of on-going attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs.HuffPo posted:Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) ... questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter. Texas literally believs it's still the wild west days.
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A dark, smoke-filled room at capacity with people that have concealed guns and bullets start flying. What could possibly go wrong?
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Internet Webguy posted:A dark, smoke-filled room at capacity with people that have concealed guns and bullets start flying. What could possibly go wrong? Don't forget the dude was wearing body armor and had put either gasoline smoke or tear gas in the air.
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Internet Webguy posted:A dark, smoke-filled room at capacity with people that have concealed guns and bullets start flying. What could possibly go wrong? I literally got into an facebook argument (I know) today where the other person claimed he and other gunhavers would use a "lethal tactical respone" to kill the guy the moment shots were fired an no innocents would be shot.
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I took a quick sampler of popular articles off the front page, and all of them read as though there has been a constant stream of re-visioning by the community to get their own personal digs in against whichever "liberal" thing they so despise. Replete with subjective statements expressed as fact, and objective statements often being evidenced by links to the Conservapedia. I can appreciate that no one can know everything, especially in our hyper-technical society, and that as result folks pick up some unsubstantiated idea - regardless of political or religious philosophy through media or conversation. But its difficult to believe that anyone with a modicum of education in either the arts or sciences could see an argument so preposterously presented and give it a moment's credence. WoodrowSkillson posted:I literally got into an facebook argument (I know) today where the other person claimed he and other gunhavers would use a "lethal tactical respone" to kill the guy the moment shots were fired an no innocents would be shot. How did they get around the belief that the initial shots by the assailant (which they are presumably responding to) would not hit anyone?
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Obviously having a gun makes you a mighty conservative Adonis capable of sensing and responding to danger literally before it even begins.
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I get that. You see from the corner of your eye a furtive movement - lesser men might pause, lacking in moral courage they quaver on the precipice of action. Is that a gun? Are his intentions ill? Can my preemptive strike truly be justified? Remembering your Bush doctrine, liberal though he may ultimately have been, you strike, pulling forth your sidearm you fire through the darkened theatre, bullets zipping past the increasingly panicked crowd. A silent prayer ensures that your ordinance will hit only the desired mark. The bullet spirals along its terrible trajectory to crash squarely in the breast of evildoer, the force tossing him back into his seat. As he falls, his gun arm strays upward toward the ceiling, the hidden weapon discharging a single shot into masonry above. Vindication. Striding forward, you lean down and search the fallen felon's wallet, finding an expired student ID card. A student, at a university. A LIBERAL. You holster your weapon, pulling your strong side carry holster as far up from your hip and across your chest as possible, cowling you in the strength of arms - just as the founding fathers intended. Never minding the shock and questioning of the concerned theatre crowd, you away to home. You must blog about the creeping rot in your perfectly ordered society - never again shall this foul liberal blight cloud Denver city. Somewhere, Frank Miller is sadly laughing. I can half remember I was in highschool, and the details of Columbine came out. A fair number of the guys at the school spoke loudly and boldly about how they would have been men of action and defeated the shooters. I suspect it is human nature to create situations that are plausible (at least to our selves) wherein our survival is a function of skill and preparation rather than the caprice of our location at a given moment, and the stability of our fellows. This does not, however, excuse blaming a tragedy on a political, or in case of the gentleman from Texas, religious, bias for the results in an attempt to garner support from your base. assfro fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Jul 21, 2012 |
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I am still looking for a link to the story but my roommate just told me that apparently users of Conservapediaare blaming the teaching of evolution in public schools for the shootings during the dark night premier.... I would love to dumb down logic to these people so they can understand it but i'm scared of heights.... EDIT: Apparently it is on 'The Blaze' ( Anyway here is the link and the actual stupidity is in the comments http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-calls-for-prayer-and-reflection-after-colo-massacre/ AcidRonin fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jul 21, 2012 |
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AcidRonin posted:EDIT: Apparently it is on 'The Blaze' ( He doesn't really claim he has nothing to do with that site, right?
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AcidRonin posted:I am still looking for a link to the story but my roommate just told me that apparently users of Conservapediaare blaming the teaching of evolution in public schools for the shootings during the dark night premier.... I would love to dumb down logic to these people so they can understand it but i'm scared of heights.... Oh, the Conservapedia front page is all over that. quote:The Christian Post reported that the mass murderer James Holmes was heavily involved in his local Presbyterian church.[6] Also: quote:Was mass murderer James Eakin Holmes groomed to do the Midnight Movie Massacre? Where did he get those weapons and munitions, and the $20,000 to pay for them? What might have been the full nature of his neuroscience studies at the University of Colorado? Why did he act almost like a sleepwalker throughout? [5] and quote:Suspected young mass murderer James Holmes -- a university grad student -- is a pot-smoker who reportedly took drugs before his rampage. [14] and quote:Liberal education system produced the latest young mass murderer: "Colorado Batman Movie Shooting Suspect James Holmes Was PhD Student." [19] and quote:Another Young Mass Murderer goes on a rampage: "12 dead in Colorado theater shooting ... Moviegoers didn't know what was happening and some thought the attack was part of the show." [23] As in the Columbine massacre, was this perpetrator a violent video game player?
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I give up, Conservapedia is infinitely more difficult to read than Freep.
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myron cope posted:He doesn't really claim he has nothing to do with that site, right? Yes he has, (regardless of the fact that if you sign up for a blaze account it asks you if it can send you other glen beck sponsors) He has said on his website that the blaze is 'independent' and my favorite: "No one is more overcritical of Me [beck] than the blaze!" I mean he is a liar dose this surprise you?
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Ultragonk posted:Have they ever done a list of conservative and liberal sports? well, we all know where soccer and cricket would go even though they're the two most popular sports in the world.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:I literally got into an facebook argument (I know) today where the other person claimed he and other gunhavers would use a "lethal tactical respone" to kill the guy the moment shots were fired an no innocents would be shot. How did your friend feel about the fact that there were trained members of the military in the audience? Does he just consider himself superior to troops that were trained to deal with situations like this? I mean, because it didn't do a whole lot of good. Mainly because anyone who pulls a gun in a crowded room, in defense or not, is a maniac. I mean, we even have a term for that, Crossfire, if you get caught in it you're in a bad way unless you are in the apocalyptic future have an advanced hoverboard and a huge audience to cheer you on.
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Bruce Leroy posted:well, we all know where soccer and cricket would go even though they're the two most popular sports in the world. Yeah, among those faggoty non-Americans! Actually I'm sure I remember seeing some long-winded description of why soccer was un-American (something to do with not using your hands going against God's will, and also tied games leading to socialism or something, however the current page just seems a straight life from the Wikipedia page, but this on the talk page seems to suggest it was once there, but I can't be bothered wading through the history to find it.
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Ultragonk posted:Have they ever done a list of conservative and liberal sports? No but they do have this wich is an ammuseing read. http://www.conservapedia.com/Overrated_Sports_Stars My favorite one is tiger woods, I don't follow golf, but i'm pretty sure that isn't true.
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AcidRonin posted:No but they do have this wich is an ammuseing read. http://www.conservapedia.com/Overrated_Sports_Stars It's not, one could make a pretty strong argument that he's the best golfer that ever lived.
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AcidRonin posted:No but they do have this wich is an ammuseing read. http://www.conservapedia.com/Overrated_Sports_Stars I do like how they unironically have "lamestream media" in the text though, linking to their article on the "mainstream media". That's what professional encyclopedias do right, include snide puns in their text? I can just see some neckbeard typing that and thinking "Ha, take that MSNBC"
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Yeah, among those faggoty non-Americans! Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the NFL collect money made by all the teams and then redistribute that wealth? And allow the lowest-ranking teams first pick during drafting to ensure they get decent players so that they have a better chance of succeeding? And has quite strict health and safety regulations to ensure its players don't get mangled and can if they unfortunately do ensure they can be looked after? Also it has its own trade union that allows players to negotiate for better contracts and working conditions, and has actually had players go on strike as part of collective bargaining agreements? Sounds pretty drat socialist to me.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Yeah, among those faggoty non-Americans! Sportswriter Frank Deford was on Colbert a couple of weeks ago and said something similar about soccer being bad because you can't use your hands. I'm not actually a sports fan of any kind (I was a pretty big basketball fan when I was kid), but that's such lovely logic that it just pisses me off. Is boxing a bad sport because you can't use feet, elbows, etc. like in Muay Thai? Are boxing and Muay Thai bad sports because you aren't allowed to grapple like in mixed martial arts? Is American football a lesser sport than rugby because of all those pads and helmets? Are football and baseball lesser sports than basketball because of all the down time between pitches and plays compared to the constant movement in basketball? Different sports have different rules for different reasons and they're part of what make them interesting and unique in their own ways. It's fine not to like a given sport, but that doesn't mean you have to denigrate it and its fans because you don't particularly enjoy it. The more I think about it, I think it says something that Deford also claimed that Sabermetrics and similar analytical approaches to sports are the worst things to happen to sports in the last few decades. Combined with the soccer thing, it seems very much like a Conservapedia "look at all those loser nerds with their math and soccer" thing. President Anime 2008 posted:Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the NFL collect money made by all the teams and then redistribute that wealth? And allow the lowest-ranking teams first pick during drafting to ensure they get decent players so that they have a better chance of succeeding? And has quite strict health and safety regulations to ensure its players don't get mangled and can if they unfortunately do ensure they can be looked after? Also it has its own trade union that allows players to negotiate for better contracts and working conditions, and has actually had players go on strike as part of collective bargaining agreements? The health thing is a bit controversial as there are a bunch of former players with neurological problems taking legal action against the NFL, claiming their conditions are related to their football careers and that the NFL had been suppressing evidence and research of danger to players' safety for years, despite current attempts to address the problems, e.g. helmet-to-helmet hits.
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Bruce Leroy posted:Is American football a lesser sport than rugby because of all those pads and helmets? Yes.
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prefect posted:Yes. I'm not really knowledgeable about rugby, so I can't really speak of injury rates or anything, but football is pretty dangerous even with all those pads and poo poo. I'd hate to see what it would be like applying the aggressiveness of modern football with the lack of safety from early football.
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Bruce Leroy posted:I'm not really knowledgeable about rugby, so I can't really speak of injury rates or anything, but football is pretty dangerous even with all those pads and poo poo. I'd hate to see what it would be like applying the aggressiveness of modern football with the lack of safety from early football. Interestingly enough, and hopefully not a giant derail, I've seen studies that suggest that having all those pads is what causes problems with concussions. Because when you have pads you will hit harder, since you know you the hit won't hurt. This causes your head and neck into a more violent collision that ends up shaking your brain more, causing concussions at a higher rate then the unpadded contact sport of rugby.
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Anubis posted:Interestingly enough, and hopefully not a giant derail, I've seen studies that suggest that having all those pads is what causes problems with concussions. Because when you have pads you will hit harder, since you know you the hit won't hurt. This causes your head and neck into a more violent collision that ends up shaking your brain more, causing concussions at a higher rate then the unpadded contact sport of rugby. American football hits can be orders of magnitude more violent then in rugby. Ask anyone who has played both. Rugby players do not launch themselves head first at a running opponent, since that is suicidal. It is in gridiron as well, but only every so often due to the pads. This is not a good thing, and as an nfl fan, I would prefer far less padding and soft helmets to help reduce the most violent collisions. Rugby also does not have many 300 pound men who can also run a 5.0 second 40 yard dash either. Linemen are frightenly athletic despite their size.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:American football hits can be orders of magnitude more violent then in rugby. Ask anyone who has played both. Rugby players do not launch themselves head first at a running opponent, since that is suicidal. It is in gridiron as well, but only every so often due to the pads. This is not a good thing, and as an nfl fan, I would prefer far less padding and soft helmets to help reduce the most violent collisions. Rugby also does not have many 300 pound men who can also run a 5.0 second 40 yard dash either. Linemen are frightenly athletic despite their size. Yeah I've played both (admittedly only at secondary school level) and can attest to this. Also no amount of padding can help prevent hyperextensions and other movements that can really gently caress you up. (Heading deeper into derail territory here but there's also significant evidence that boxing gloves considerably increase the chance of serious brain injury for similar reasons - bare knuckle fighters never hit their opponents (especially to the head) as boxers can because they'd break every bone in their hand)
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I am currently openly giggling like a schoolgirl in my office as I read this article: http://www.conservapedia.com/Shockofgod I mean wow. just wow. For added reading i submit to you this essay written by the above mentioned individual: http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:_Atheism_is_a_clown_and_it_did_not_know_it 
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AcidRonin posted:I am currently openly giggling like a schoolgirl in my office as I read this article: http://www.conservapedia.com/Shockofgod I love the part about the "Athiest community" being really worried about losing members. Like there's a club of Athiests just plotting mean stuff and they get all upset when they lose another member to God.
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jojoinnit posted:So his entire schtick is putting the burden of proof on those who say there is no God as opposed to those who say there is? Apparently, and apparently Athiests have only 2 reactions to this; either get really angry and refuse to listen to "reason"(Bible quotes) or just start believing in Jesus on the spot.
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p.crestmont posted:Apparently, and apparently Athiests have only 2 reactions to this; either get really angry and refuse to listen to "reason"(Bible quotes) or just start believing in Jesus on the spot. Let's not forget that this is the plot of just about every Jack Chick tract ever: Angry atheist either refuses to listen to bible quoting hero or has somehow managed to live their whole life without ever once hearing about Jesus and is so amazed by him that they're instantly converted.
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AcidRonin posted:I am currently openly giggling like a schoolgirl in my office as I read this article: http://www.conservapedia.com/Shockofgod
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AcidRonin posted:No but they do have this wich is an ammuseing read. http://www.conservapedia.com/Overrated_Sports_Stars It's stuff like this that makes me think the whole wiki is just one massive joke. But then I remember it's the real, actual child of one mans deranged dream. Bruce Leroy posted:I'm not really knowledgeable about rugby, so I can't really speak of injury rates or anything, but football is pretty dangerous even with all those pads and poo poo. I'd hate to see what it would be like applying the aggressiveness of modern football with the lack of safety from early football. There's been a lot of talk about injuries in rugby for quite a while now, since turning professional rugby union players have gotten a lot bigger than they once were and suddenly you have 250lbs player running into you as hard as possible 10/12 times a match. Thats not including being involved in rucks and mauls where you have several players slamming into you and trying to rip the ball from you. One of the biggest problem is the scrum, when a scrum collapses there is a real danger of neck injury and it took a few players getting paralysed before the IRB (Rugbys governing body) stepped in and tried to make them safe, but really the only way you'll make them safe is to get rid of them.
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Internet Webguy posted:A dark, smoke-filled room at capacity with people that have concealed guns and bullets start flying. What could possibly go wrong? Smoke? Try tearing agent. Even better! I've been a gun owner in one of the most restrictive states for gun ownership and I wouldn't even think of pulling in a situation like that. I'm finding cover and getting the gently caress out of there with as many people as I can help get out. President Anime 2008 posted:Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the NFL collect money made by all the teams and then redistribute that wealth? And allow the lowest-ranking teams first pick during drafting to ensure they get decent players so that they have a better chance of succeeding? And has quite strict health and safety regulations to ensure its players don't get mangled and can if they unfortunately do ensure they can be looked after? Also it has its own trade union that allows players to negotiate for better contracts and working conditions, and has actually had players go on strike as part of collective bargaining agreements? If you really want to get these bumpkins going, try pointing out how the NCAA does it. College football especially. TyroneGoldstein fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Jul 25, 2012 |
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