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You can't talk about Swiss democracy without mentioning the Landsgemeinde which are open-air democratic assemblies still used in two cantons (Appenzell Innerrhoden and Glarus) to vote on laws and elect the canton's government. Appenzell, the smallest canton in Switzerland, didn't allow women to participate until 1991 (and only changed because the Swiss Supreme Court forced them to). Appenzell:  Glarus:  Some more pictures from Glarus.
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Soviet Commubot posted:I will never, ever grasp that sort of political role for sports teams. I can understand regional and even sectarian associations but the pro-fascist and anti-fascist supporter clubs I see are a completely alien concept to me.  Energie Cottbus fans displayed this banner at a match against rival club Dynamo Dresden. The "D" on the banner is Dresden's crest. It's not really that common though, most supporters are pretty apolitical. St. Pauli is famous for having left-wing fans, which probably is the result of Hamburg being a stronghold of social democrats and a strong working class background of the club. And It's not really the case that a supporters club is started with a certain political agenda but rather that it reflects the average political ideas of the type of local young men who like to get drunk and shout a lot.
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Soviet Commubot posted:A member of the Mohawk nation stares down a Canadian soldier during the Oka crisis in 1990.     We put 2,500 troops on notice. That was one hell of an incident, I can't believe that natives killed a Provincial Police officer over a golf course. I think the government did the right thing, look at what happened to Caledonia when the government was affraid to step in! Sometimes you have to play hardball with the natives, as unfortunate as it is.
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Frosted Flake posted:
 Maybe the cop should have done the decent thing and hosed off back home to Europe. Also all Canadians.
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 Should have just driven a train over these wild dangerous savages, only way to deal with them unfortunately. With their utterly alien belief system for some reason they got all uppity when the government stole their burial ground to give to the church that abused them, then to build a golf course on. Maybe if they all just got jobs they could stop living in 3rd world housing and maybe enjoy the golf course. We do so much for them and they just don't appreciate it, it's truly our burden. Also god bless that HERO who gave his life to help get a golf course built. I'm sure Frosted Flake is being as sarcastic as I am... Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Jul 24, 2012 |
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Serendipitaet posted:
What I don't really get is how politics becomes so overtly linked with certain teams. Back where I grew up the two major football teams in the state (University of Michigan and Michigan State University) had pretty subtle political and sociocultural things implied, basically Michigan supporters tend to be from the state's urban coastal areas while Michigan State fans usually come from the rural interior and north, with everything the urban vs. rural divide implies. However, as natural as it may seem, Democrats vs. Republicans or left vs. right never gets brought up. It's really fascinating, are there any documentaries done on the more political fan groups? Frosted Flake posted:I think the government did the right thing, look at what happened to Caledonia when the government was affraid to step in! Sometimes you have to play hardball with the natives, as unfortunate as it is. I honestly have no idea if you're trolling or not.     
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Frosted Flake posted:We put 2,500 troops on notice. FYI that cop died in an attempt by the SQ to break the Mohawk barricades, using tear gas and flash bang grenades. It's unclear whether it was the police or Mohawk that fired the first shots, but even if the Mohawk had fired first I'd say they were in the right considering the use of tear gas and flash bangs. 
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Crasscrab posted:FYI that cop died in an attempt by the SQ to break the Mohawk barricades, using tear gas and flash bang grenades. It's unclear whether it was the police or Mohawk that fired the first shots, but even if the Mohawk had fired first I'd say they were in the right considering the use of tear gas and flash bangs.  Corporal Marcel Lemay, the Sûreté du Québec officer killed at Oka. The state has a monopoly on violence. The native protesters should never have been armed in the first place, and furthermore illegally barricaded public and private roads. The SQ were justified in trying to disperse an unlawful assembly. The fact that the protesters were native should have no bearing on the legality of firing on officers of the law which is totally unjustifiable. It was the native's reckless disregard for the rule of law and public safety that lead to the Canadian Forces being involved in the first place. I can't think of any other "peaceful" protest that's lead to the army being called out. The fact that people, even now 20 years on could side with the natives in this case is really disturbing. Futhermore, based on the legal history of land claims, had the natives stayed within the system and had their day in court, they likely would have won. The Canadian legal system has been very accomodating of lawful land disputes, and most large and well publicised claims settle in favour of the natives. The police are allowed to use tear gas and flashbangs, you aren't allowed to shoot back - no exceptions.
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The rule of law can eat a big bag of dicks
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You should just obey. Oh, and by the way all the articles I read said it wasn't clear which side shot first. You should have the right to defend yourself, even against the police (especially against the police). And it may be illegal to blockade a road but it's also illegal to steal land, and wipeout a native population. Just go with it, the government is your friend.
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The high prices of chicken in Iran has escalated into a political crisis. Video of an anti-government protest in Neishabour, they chant "death to the high prices" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNGVaG7ZyKo Food protests in Poland, 1981  „Solidarity” satirical poster referring to the PUWP congress in July 1981: „The first result of the party’s congress - food rations cut”. 
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Frosted Flake posted:The state has a monopoly on violence. That's why the state needs smashing. 
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Frosted Flake posted:
gently caress the police state that Canada is becoming. 
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If you thought that Pike spraying protesters was a crazy thing, at least they don't do this anymore http://www.benrosenfeldlaw.com/2005/04/pepper-spray-trial-jury-agrees-excessive-force-used-by-officers-against-protesters/
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 Moments after a riot cop runs over a protestor on his motorbike, one of his associates loses control in front of the crowd who witnessed it. He bears the brunt of their retribution in the form of a molotov to the head, among other items. I love the  guy in the middle of the crowd.
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Spatial posted:
He survived just fine looking at the video. Man, the police and the brutality they face make them true heroes.
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Man, that scratch on the arm totally justified: http://imgur.com/UcIGS
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I actually still can't tell if frosted flake is trolling or not. Like someone can't be that wrong. It reads like the conservapedia article on the incident.
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Baronjutter posted:I actually still can't tell if frosted flake is trolling or not. Like someone can't be that wrong. It reads like the conservapedia article on the incident. What the hell do they use that for (besides just tooling around in because it's sorta cool)? 
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Soviet Commubot posted:A member of the Mohawk nation stares down a Canadian soldier during the Oka crisis in 1990. The soldier on the left went on to get kicked out of the military for cocaine use, got drunk and smashed into a bunch of people with his car and fled the scene, then acted in a porno that spoofed the Oka crisis scene. Then left Canada. The native guy was an economics student, who, afaik, went on to graduate. Savages. 
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I saw a new hampshire license plate that said A-RAND the other day. Man oh man, I wish I had a camera phone.
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dphrag posted:The soldier on the left went on to get kicked out of the military for cocaine use, got drunk and smashed into a bunch of people with his car and fled the scene, then acted in a porno that spoofed the Oka crisis scene. Then left Canada. Is that true?  That's enlistedosoldiersofwesterncountries.txt right there.
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ThatsSoNotPLUR posted:I saw a new hampshire license plate that said A-RAND the other day. Man oh man, I wish I had a camera phone. quote:Massachusetts needs to provide at least three times as many shelter beds as are now available to meet the needs of domestic violence victims seeking to escape their abusers, according to Jane Doe Inc., a Boston coalition against domestic violence.
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Soviet Commubot posted:I will never, ever grasp that sort of political role for sports teams. I can understand regional and even sectarian associations but the pro-fascist and anti-fascist supporter clubs I see are a completely alien concept to me. Well, it's a lot like antifascist skinhead groups or antifascist citizens groups: self-defense. As long as nazis infiltrate our communities, we'll have to take an explicit stand against them. I'm an antifascst ultra football fan, and while we're serious about the political aspect, supporting our team on the terraces, working with the community and raising awareness and help for the club/area youth and things like that take up maybe 90% of what we do. Check for yourself, not so alien is it?  (literally: Love football, hate racism)
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Tias posted:Well, it's a lot like antifascist skinhead groups or antifascist citizens groups: self-defense. As long as nazis infiltrate our communities, we'll have to take an explicit stand against them. It is pretty strange for me, it's like associating a particular sugar cookie recipe with fascism or something like that. The closest equivalent I can think of is when Gerald Ford threatened to sit out a game against a Southern team because Michigan had a black player. Ford seriously hurt a Southerner who said racist poo poo about Ford's black team member.  That said, football is almost entirely based on regionalism back home.  Much like it is where I live now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBaZkZh-gcg
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Soviet Commubot posted:It is pretty strange for me, it's like associating a particular sugar cookie recipe with fascism or something like that. The closest equivalent I can think of is when Gerald Ford threatened to sit out a game against a Southern team because Michigan had a black player. Ford seriously hurt a Southerner who said racist poo poo about Ford's black team member. Speaking of which, the NFL's big deal about wearing pink for breast cancer and what it means with respect to masculinity and poo poo is just boring poo poo that reflects how dumb our country is 
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Soviet Commubot posted:It is pretty strange for me, it's like associating a particular sugar cookie recipe with fascism or something like that. The closest equivalent I can think of is when Gerald Ford threatened to sit out a game against a Southern team because Michigan had a black player. Ford seriously hurt a Southerner who said racist poo poo about Ford's black team member. Well, I hope I don't come off wrong, but I'm not entirely sure people outside of Europe or certain Asian nations really 'get' how retarded folks get over football here - instead of regionalism, it is often hitting sectarian sentiments of national size. For more content, have some delightfully batshit Milanese fans:  E: Livorno, sorry.
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Tias posted:Well, I hope I don't come off wrong, but I'm not entirely sure people outside of Europe or certain Asian nations really 'get' how retarded folks get over football here - instead of regionalism, it is often hitting sectarian sentiments of national size. Ternana, I think.  
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Soviet Commubot posted:
French anthem booed during Coupe de France final between Lorient (Breton club) and Bastia (Corsican club). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8LXOOw1kDs (Bastia supporters are in blue with the Corsican flag) Jacques Chirac is pissed off and leaves the stadium."They're booing?I leave!" 1rst Bastia supporter: "if this incident happened that's because the French State always blame the Corsican people" 2nd Bastia supporter: "Because Corsicans did it, people treat it like it's a state affair and the president leaves, he can leave whatever."  Furiani disaster, a stand built for Bastia-Marseille collapsed and caused the death of 18 people.
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Was it the Corsican guerillas that take summer vacations to avoid scaring of the tourists or am I confusing them with some other armed European independence movement? I found this picture of them and thanks to the magics of Flagchat I recognized the flag and remembered some of the history behind it. Thanks Flagchat. 
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Do you have a source for this? Just curious (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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