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Cat Mattress posted:You lose the "yod" sound in "dieu", so it's closer to "deux". Which can easily be made to fit thematically with uu, what with the two u, the uu/UU duality, the object duality of his weapons, etc. The U with a tilde through it is one of the astrological symbols for Ophiuchus. Also you dudes need to check out this Lord English hadoken animation that Aborted Slunk created that didn't make the final cut. http://ib.skaia.net/post/view/52864
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That was a pretty amazing flash. I think the best part is that it calls back to the chess game he had going with Calliope. He loves figuring out the rules, and how to not break them, but twist them so hard you can see the fibers straining. I'm really looking forward to seeing if Hussie reveals how he achieved such an insane power level.
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Jul 28, 2012 17:57
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Snollygoster posted:The U with a tilde through it is one of the astrological symbols for Ophiuchus. I think everybody here knew that? Calliope's symbol is the more traditional one; Caliborn's is the one created by Walter Berg in 1995 and used especially in Japan. There are other symbols that have been proposed earlier and after, as well, such as the Greek letter Phi. The cruxtruder's countdown, however, separated the U from the ~, and it's the kind of tiny details upon which MSPA speculation is built.
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Jul 28, 2012 18:19
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Cat Mattress posted:The cruxtruder's countdown, however, separated the U from the ~, and it's the kind of tiny details upon which MSPA speculation is built. Also, in mathematical logic ~ is standard notation for "not." ~U would be the opposite of U. EDIT: More random symbolism: the wand that English wields is not a wand; it is a conductor's baton. the holy poopacy fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Jul 28, 2012 |
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Jul 28, 2012 18:22
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I'm pretty sure Lord English just found himself a time player's quest bed and killed himself on it. 
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Jul 28, 2012 18:40
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I'm wondering if Lord English is not some instant transformation of Caliborn, but the slow, dreadful, purposeful metamorphosis of one who's been at this for a while-going in after beating his game, then beating everyone else's one by one by subverting the rules and intentions to suit his own purposes.
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Jul 28, 2012 18:45
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Is it just me, or does the very end of the flash (and/or the track itself) play about sixteen notes of Savior of the Waking World?
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Jul 28, 2012 18:58
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If we interpret Hussie's white eyes to mean that he was already dead before Lord English killed him, all the doomed selves just got sent to another dream bubble, like that episode of South Park where Saddam Hussein and Satan's new boyfriend Chris kill each other repeatedly with no consequence while in Hell. So it's okay, guys. Right? 
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Jul 28, 2012 19:02
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Cat Mattress posted:You lose the "yod" sound in "dieu", so it's closer to "deux". Which can easily be made to fit thematically with uu, what with the two u, the uu/UU duality, the object duality of his weapons, etc. On the possible self-prototyping. Maybe he didn't during the animation. But the silly beam does suggest sprite powers, so regardless he's probably going to gain them somehow. Post-entry prototyping, dream self prototyping, god tier merger, etc. One thought I had: I've seen it suggested that both Calliope's and Caliborn's sprites popped out of the cruxtruder, and their overlap cause the black hole to form. That's a fine theory, let's run with it. So what happens is two sprites pop out in the same space, attempt to absorb each other, which sucks them into themselves. Result: black hole. In-game result: a spritesprite. Then you prototype a dreamself, or two, god tier merge yourself into that spritedreamselfsprite, hey presto you gain the powers of both prototypings and god tier. And the first prototyping was a sprite and possibly some energy from a star. Is a spritesprite necessary? From what I can tell there's no evidence that Jade has sprite powers, just that she has the powers of her prototypings.
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Jul 28, 2012 19:16
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My sister refuses to read homestuck. She's gotten about 50ish pages in or so, and she refuses to continue as she finds the style of humor presented in things like the inventory management to be boring. I've tried telling her it gets better, but oh well.
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Jul 28, 2012 19:29
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Ugh, Hussie. You're not content with just killing your characters, you have to double kill them?! I was so happy to see all the dead kids and trolls hanging out together in that bubble, just bein friends. drat you, Hussie. 
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I read this theory elsewhere: the kernelsprite at the end isn't a single kernelsprite. It's both Calliope's and Caliborn's in extremely close proximity, which results in a black hole. It's a kernelsprite prototyped with a kernelsprite. Also Gamzee continues to be the most important character in Homestuck -- that dreambubble is the one Vriska went to and hung out with Beta John. Had Gamzee not made Tavrisprite, Vriska and Tavros probably would have gotten killed. That has to be of some level of importance.
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Jul 28, 2012 19:39
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Saradiart posted:Also Gamzee continues to be the most important character in Homestuck -- that dreambubble is the one Vriska went to and hung out with Beta John. Had Gamzee not made Tavrisprite, Vriska and Tavros probably would have gotten killed. Well, it does mean that Vriska is the only one to know Beta John's important info.
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Cat Mattress posted:I think everybody here knew that? Calliope's symbol is the more traditional one; Caliborn's is the one created by Walter Berg in 1995 and used especially in Japan. There are other symbols that have been proposed earlier and after, as well, such as the Greek letter Phi. Oh, no sweat. It's just hard for me to tell any more when the speculation dips into Timecube levels of weird or if it's fans filling in hidden patterns to speculate about the future of the story.
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Saradiart posted:I read this theory elsewhere: the kernelsprite at the end isn't a single kernelsprite. It's both Calliope's and Caliborn's in extremely close proximity, which results in a black hole. It's a kernelsprite prototyped with a kernelsprite. I wrote it here.  Doubt I was the first, though.However, I'm not quite sure about this part any more. The ~U meaning "universe destructor" does make a fair bit of sense, and it implies that it was designed to do so. The question is whether it was designed by Caliborn or Sburb. I still think that Caliborn achieved god tier sometime during this flash, though. The Waking World part at the end is too deliberate to be meaningless.
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Saradiart posted:that dreambubble is the one Vriska went to and hung out with Beta John. How do we know this? There is an arbitrarily large number of dreambubbles, each with an infinitely mutable landscape. The only thing we know for sure is that the meteor passed near this particular bubble as it was destroyed.
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Rooreelooo posted:Edit: one theory as for a sburb / english link. we don't know how sburb was created, but we do have one character who loves to make games for others to play... and then kill them. We could be overthinking this whole thing - caliborn could have created a system that provides him with unlimited people to gently caress with and kill. a never ending string of different people and species, over and over again, playing the same game, and then getting eaten by lord english. This has been a theory ever since Lord English was first mentioned, since his name is similar to Richard "Lord British" Garriot, video game developer who used Lord British as his alter ego in his games. If this is true it would explain how LE's presence in Paradox Space is sanctioned despite his apparent destructiveness: he created the Sburb game and can sanction whatever he drat well pleases.
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I'd wager the blackhole was the result of the catastrophic glitch of the two Kernels prototyping each other, like an ouroboros devouring itself. Didn't Derse and Prospit of that session have odd clothing that mirrored the other kingdom? Also, LE has a good reason for blowing up dreambubbles: Calliope is in one of them and if he annihilates her dreamself if might free him of her forever. And finally, Gamzee edited out any mentions in Calliope's book about Lord English and himself. That means that Caliborn won't know that anything in the book is about him or that specific players mentioned might be involved in his creation and perpetuation, nor will he know about that strange clown rear end in a top hat with the Lil Cal doll that creeps him out. That seems like it might be a good thing for our heroes.
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Thundarr posted:How do we know this? There is an arbitrarily large number of dreambubbles, each with an infinitely mutable landscape. The only thing we know for sure is that the meteor passed near this particular bubble as it was destroyed. Ah, while we know there were countless troll beta timelines (one for each Aradia bot, at the very least), we only know of two Beta timelines for the kids: The one where John died, and the one that Terezi made by coinflipping with Dave. And both are represented here. Seems probable.
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Thundarr posted:How do we know this? There is an arbitrarily large number of dreambubbles, each with an infinitely mutable landscape. The only thing we know for sure is that the meteor passed near this particular bubble as it was destroyed. There's other dream bubbles out there though. Maybe the Hulk's going to try to pop them all until he finds Calliope. If her dreamself is dead, it would make sense that she's in the Outer Ring somewhere. Arenea and Meenah were conspicuously absent from the chopping block, too.
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Bobulus posted:Ah, while we know there were countless troll beta timelines (one for each Aradia bot, at the very least), we only know of two Beta timelines for the kids: The one where John died, and the one that Terezi made by coinflipping with Dave. And both are represented here. When Terezi is viewing Dave during the whole coinflip affair, her Trollian has a bunch of Dave timelines with different numbers after them. We never saw them, but it seems reasonable to assume those were betas. We've just only seen the branches that were relevant to the alpha.
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Android Blues posted:When Terezi is viewing Dave during the whole coinflip affair, her Trollian has a bunch of Dave timelines with different numbers after them. We never saw them, but it seems reasonable to assume those were betas. We've just only seen the branches that were relevant to the alpha. You talking about this one?  I interpreted that as the way Trollian was displaying Dave's confusing time-travel timeline as best as it could. Only one timeline, the one pointing to Beta-Dave, goes black (dead). The rest only turn dark-red, indicating Dave has time traveled again and is on a new line in the graph. Regardless of how many beta timelines were created, the two we saw get annihilated in the dream bubble match up with the known ones, so narratively, it makes sense that those were the ones we lost. This also implies that we just lost Alpha-Equius, since he was the only one in his 'normal' clothes. But that's sad, so I'm not sure I want to believe that.
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How's that for Dead And Out Of The Story? I guess this completely ruins Vriska's plans to "gently caress poo poo up".
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Yeah, that's showing Dave's time looping. The trolls couldn't see into any beta timeline created by the kids, because those timelines would not lead to stuff in the future that had already happened to the trolls. Remember how in Davesprite's future they never heard from the trolls again after John died?
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Maybe gamzee's been prototyping them, and equius was done last at the last moment?
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http://tubedubber.com/#0AizILfl4z4:oAlztMvvNkk:0:100:0:0:0 this is the best
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Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:Oh hey, the credits page has been updated. The song is "Eternity's Shylock" by Malcolm Brown; it has a bunch of little quotes but is mostly a take on "English" from the Felt album, which is of course the track used for the original English reveal. People on tumblr are taking this parallel all the way through the story, and people are assuming that Shylock==Lord English and that Hussie is an anti-semite. lol.
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pandaK posted:http://tubedubber.com/#0AizILfl4z4:oAlztMvvNkk:0:100:0:0:0 That is just freaking uncanny. I know that track matches up to just about anything, but this time more than most.
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I didn't know Something Awful had a Homestuck thread. That's great and so is the new flash. I haven't been this excited about a Homestuck flash since Cascade. It is hard to imagine Caliborn as Lord English if only because his jeering with Dirk. He seemed too pathetic to be Lord English. The hints were always there, though. So, anyway, guys does it seem like Lord English is targeting Dave? In the dream bubble thing, that quest bed's looked like Dave's. Why was the dead people congregating there? I'm probably missing something, but do you think Lord English is/will begin assaulting Time players?
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Armadillos! posted:Is it just me, or does the very end of the flash (and/or the track itself) play about sixteen notes of Savior of the Waking World? Well, if it doesn't, then we're both crazy because I heard that as well.
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More importantly: when the black hole first appears, the music is very familiar. But I just can't figure out which song it's based on. The song also ends in a fashion similar to the end of Descend. Intentional?
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Mr. D Bewildering posted:More importantly: when the black hole first appears, the music is very familiar. But I just can't figure out which song it's based on. I recognize some bridges from Do you Remem8er Me in that part of the sequence, that might be what you're recognizing.
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A detail that might be important: on Caliborn's Kernelsprite machine, his symbol got split into "~U". For about the time Hussie was in school, this was the way to denote "Not 'U'" in formal mathematical logic.
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Im just going to assume that two players with one Cruxtruder produced two kernels and they freaked out when attempting to essentially prototype each other.
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pandaK posted:http://tubedubber.com/#0AizILfl4z4:oAlztMvvNkk:0:100:0:0:0 no wait this http://tubedubber.com/#0AizILfl4z4:ObxMP2v6ke8:0:100:0:0:1
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Here's some speculation that I thought was really on-the-nose:http://geromykyle.tumblr.com/post/28201627235 posted:so lets talk about caliborn's symbol. obviously it's one of the signs of ophiuchus the serpent bearer and all that, but this part of the flash just made something go click with me. http://saveworldgetgirls.tumblr.com/post/28203686506 posted:It’s interesting to note that in the programming language C++, a tilde (~) identifies a destructor, a subroutine in object-oriented programming which is invoked when an object goes “out of scope” in order to clean house and free resources. To put it simply, what out of scope means here is that the object has reached the breadth of its usability
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So with Lord English using Hussie's science wand to wreck poo poo, it looks like the people predicting that LE would essentially take over the narrative are right.
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http://saveworldgetgirls.tumblr.com/post/28203686506 posted:It would be interesting to see the surviving children and trolls usher in the new Paradox Space that will be created.
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Fucknag posted:So with Lord English using Hussie's science wand to wreck poo poo, it looks like the people predicting that LE would essentially take over the narrative are right. Get ready for panel after panel of tepid porn.
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The stakes keep getting higher. LE finally eclipses Jack. Yesssssss.
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