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Tory would set the device off while trying to jump over it with a bike.
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That would be worth seeing. I suppose alternatively the government could build a test reactor for a Hydrogen power plant, and then it could go horribly wrong... Conveniently while all the cameras were there.
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I think the test ban treaty is a good thing. If we broke it probably every other nuke country would break it. It would probably kick off a whole nother round of dick waving, only this time it would be a 3 way with the Russians and Chinese and Us. There were some pretty severe environmental effects from the massive number of tests, id rather not dump that much radiation and plutonium into the atmosphere, again.
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Noone is saying the idea is feasible, smart, environmentally friendly or sane. I'm just saying it would be awesome.
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Maybe the US, Russia and Chine could all get together to set some nukes off at once, that way there wouldn't have to be the big rivalry.
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KillerKatten posted:I just wish the US could somehow circumvent or just give no fucks about the test ban treaty thing, and fire off one large hydrogen bomb. Just one. Think of it, with modern high def, über slow-mo cameras with ridiculous lenses you could get some amazing footage. Timing it with the ISS or some satellite overhead to stream footage (would an h-bomb be visible from space anyway? one way to find out!) or some remote drones or something flying close'ish. You wouldn't see all that much. According to this page the last time the US did an above-ground test was 1962, and the last time anyone (China) did an above-ground test was 1980. You can still see the effects of underground tests from above ground, but it's not nearly as impressive as a big ol' mushroom cloud. There's a lot less fallout sprayed everywhere though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca4D0-s8OsI
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Flikken posted:THEY DID! A bit outside Atlanta they had a test facility with an operating and *completely unshielded* 10-megawatt nuclear reactor. It was kept on a hydraulic lift in a cooling pit, and when they wanted to zap stuff they raised the lift. When it was operating, nothing could live within 1000' of it. The thing operated for a total of 600Mwh-hours. It killed the grass. Trees dropped their leaves and died. It didn't quite sterilize the upper layers of the soil, but all bacteria and fungal populations dropped off significantly. A human within 3000' would have taken a lethal dose of radiation. Altogether, it zapped the surrounding area with as much radiation as a decent-size atomic bomb would have done.
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The Sedan crater was part of Plowshare and has the most incredibly  age-of-the-atom background. During that short period where it seemed THE ATOM was the solution to all of life's problems, we decided to see if nukes would be good for mining, building canals, and other large construction efforts like creating an artificial harbor in Alaska.What this meant is that we buried a nuke just deep enough for it's blast to lift the ground 300 feet into the air and create the largest (or most radioactive) cloud of fallout in the history of the US testing. This is one reason why airbursts are favored over explosions at lower altitudes. The vast majority of NTS crates come from deeper underground tests that technically did not breach the surface and looked like this  and this http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fbaadeb434 Boomerjinks fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Aug 3, 2012 |
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Phanatic posted:A bit outside Atlanta they had a test facility with an operating and *completely unshielded* 10-megawatt nuclear reactor. It was kept on a hydraulic lift in a cooling pit, and when they wanted to zap stuff they raised the lift. holy poo poo Do you have any more details on this?
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Smiling Jack posted:holy poo poo Here's a detailed government report on the aftermath: http://www.ornl.gov/info/reports/1961/3445600598663.pdf quote:The accumulated air dose for the entire operation between Feb. 1958 and Jul. 1960 ranged from 300 - 33,000 Sievert
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Smiling Jack posted:holy poo poo I read about it in this: http://www.amazon.com/Atomic-Awaken...of+Nuclear+Powe But Googling turned up some interesting poo poo in this book, detailing the effects on plants: http://books.google.com/books?id=YO...reactor&f=false quote:Note that >80% of the radiation was released at two times, and that each time it approximated irradiation from fallout in both duration and total dose. At 500 ft, the dose each time was about that of the maximum expected over 2 to 5% of the United States from a 20,000MT attack. And this report on its effects on soil microorganisms: http://www.ornl.gov/info/reports/1961/3445600598663.pdf Phanatic fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Aug 3, 2012 |
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More http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn6N2iV2_os http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/296306.pdf pages 48-59 http://northgeorgiamountainramblings.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/when-the-cold-war-came-to-dawsonville/ http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread230310/pg13 "Inside Dawson Forest; A History of the Georgia Nuclear Aircraft Laboratory" is about halfway down.
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FrozenVent posted:Someone find an urban legend related to H-Bomb and write Mythbusters. If a 17 year old boy scout can do it, certainly the the mythbusters can, too!
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joat mon posted:More Holy crap, I went to College and grew up right near this thing (College one county north, grew up one county south).
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grover posted:Real legend: You can build a working nuclear reactor by gathering together enough radioactive material from smoke detectors, lantern mantels, radium watches and gunsights. Jesus Christ. He was caught trying to to this again? Also note that David Hahn was inspired by The Golden Book of Chemistry Experiments. It was a book about chemistry written for kids, and it is simultaneously an excellent first guide for chemistry, and terrifying. It was pulled from the shelves because whoever wrote it has no concept of the word "safety." Like one of the experiments it gives to kids is how to make chlorine gas, with a note on the bottom saying "do this outside."
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Nebakenezzer posted:Like one of the experiments it gives to kids is how to make chlorine gas, with a note on the bottom saying "do this outside." Just had to look this up. loving 
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Holy poo poo, where was this book when I was a kid? loving government! I really want to go and do some of those experiments now. Think I just might 
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Pretty sure one of the chapters discusses the manufacture of methamphetamine! 
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"A dangerous book for boys" indeed. Here's this generation of kids with hand crafted bows and arrows, while kids thirty years back had nuclear reactors. It's those participation trophies, I tell ya.
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According to the link Boomerjinks posted, the book is now a legal download, as the copyright was not renewed. A lot of the experiments use hydrochloric acid. e: just beaten  e2: Oh god, they are getting kids to sniff chloroform
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KillerKatten posted:Noone is saying the idea is feasible, smart, environmentally friendly or sane. I'm just saying it would be awesome. I wonder if there would be some wiggle room in the Outer Space Treaty to test nuclear explosions on other planets/asteroids?
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hah, holy poo poo, they have the kids make a loving still
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Cyrano4747 posted:hah, holy poo poo, they have the kids make a loving still Welp, I know what I'm printing a copy of for my nephew in a couple years.
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Please tell me they are teaching kids how to make meth precursors there. That's awesome. e- oh, drat I can't read. Somehow black powder isn't as funny 
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Did the first candle experiments with my daughter last night 
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The Proc posted:Here's a detailed government report on the aftermath: http://www.ornl.gov/info/reports/1961/3445600598663.pdf Hahaha, I'm printing this out and putting it on the break room table at my plant.
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Groda posted:Hahaha, I'm printing this out and putting it on the break room table at my plant. I see the plant was operated by good old Union Carbide.
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FATWOLF posted:I see the plant was operated by good old Union Carbide. Unpublished was the report "effects of horrible poisons on lower-caste peoples"
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mlmp08 posted:Unpublished was the report "effects of horrible poisons on lower-caste peoples"
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I was told this thread is where airplanes would be appreciated, so here's last weekend's batch from the Hillsboro air show. Advanced apologies for the crappy iPhone pics; I really need to get at least a basic point-n-click camera one of these days... Growing up near Loring Air Force Base in Limestone, Maine ingrained an intense love of airplanes. So when I was invited by a couple friends to check out an air show in a nearby town I couldn't pass it up. Who cares if it was 90°F on a tarmac & no outside water is allowed? Let's look at some airplanes!    Oregon Air National Guard F-15's stationed in Portland.        A-10 Warthog stationed out of Kansas City. Can anybody identify the markings on the fuselage?    AV-8B Harrier II. This plane was smaller than I thought in person, but drat it was loud as gently caress during VSTOL. Also, the Marine pilots manning it were  as hell.    MIG-17 "Fresco." My friend Steve was born in Russia & had a huge  for this plane.   B-17 (I think from the Tillamook Air Museum). I could have gone inside but the line was really long.   HH-60M Black Hawk from the Portland ANG.   HH-65 Dolphin from the USCG 13th Division.   Douglas A-26C Invader.   Wanna put satellites in orbit? Use a MIG-21 UM.  US Army Special Forces "Golden Knights" jump team coming in (red smoke) with 2 planes circling around to help focus people's view.  USAF's Thunderbirds. My favorite part of this was how they only used 30 second music clips (apparently any longer & they'd have to start paying royalties). Fixed the MG-21/MIG-17 Android Apocalypse fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Aug 9, 2012 |
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That there's a mig-17 Or is it a mig-15? (fagot)  edit: nope, mig-17, hey the same plane is on the wiki page!~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-17 priznat fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Aug 9, 2012 |
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 I knew I'd mess this up. I am really rusty on my airplane identification.More air show pics. I don't know what planes these are so feel free to educate me.           P-51 Mustang (?)         SAnd some airplane art. 
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The pointy jet is an F-104 Starfighter, the big helicopter is a Sikorsky Skycrane.
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The first jet's a MiG-21F-13 painted in Czechoslovakian colors and the second one's an ex-RAF BAC Jet Provost. The second to last one is a (Finnish?) Fouga Magister and the last (red) one is an early version Hawker Hunter made to look like one of the Red Arrows I think but they flew Gnats so that would be wrong. I don't know poo poo about prop airplanes.
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Cyrano4747 posted:hah, holy poo poo, they have the kids make a loving still I actually did the first half of this under the guise of making "carbonated water" for a middle school science project. Of course, it had two 2 liter bottles, and both were capped, with the one creating the carbonated water having the tube from the first going all the way down into the water.
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