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Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

Ravendas posted:

Howso? I'm on vacation in America, what did I miss?

Jeremy Lin is visiting Taiwan.

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Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


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Jeremy Lin was in Ximending doing promos so literally everyone in the Taipei area was trying to catch a glimpse of him.

duckfarts
Jul 2, 2010

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Soiled Meat
The Taiwan Megathread 2.0: Vacations, Jobs, TyphooJEREMYLINJEREMYLINJEREM

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

I just noticed that the BBC Sport's Olympics website lists Taiwan as "Chinese Taipei."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/2012/countries/chinese-taipei

POCKET CHOMP
Jul 20, 2003

me irl.
That's because Chinese Taipei is the name Taiwan uses in the Olympics. It's just another example of the bullshit charades the world has to play to pretend like Taiwan isn't a separate country from China. You can read more about it on Wikipedia.

I saw some people on FB passing around a "Taiwan pride" picture of the opening ceremony with "Taiwan" photoshopped in place of "Chinese Taipei" text and the actual ROC flag rather than the Chinese Taipei Olympic flag with the caption being something like "Someday..."

edit: Actually, after reading that Wikipedia article again for the first time in a long time, it seems like they were originally offered the chance to use Taiwan and rejected it. Although that was back in the late 70s and obviously the political situation in Taiwan was much different back then.

POCKET CHOMP fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Aug 6, 2012

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

Yeah, Chinese Taipei is the more common name by which Taiwan participates in international poo poo, in part because 中華台北 is vague enough about which China it is, and partly because back in the day Chiang Kai-Shek didn't want to admit he didn't run China any more, and now China's powerful enough to call the shots. The Guardian did a "Country of the Day" thing the other day basically explaining how it's loving stupid and everyone knows Taiwan is a country but no-one has the balls to admit it publicly.

Herr Tog
Jun 18, 2011

Grimey Drawer
I didn't find anything in hte OP so I will ask here: Hiking and camping in Taiwan? Possible? Legality? WHERE!?

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

POCKET CHOMP posted:

Stuff

TetsuoTW posted:

More stuff

I hadn't heard about this before and it's really interesting, thanks!

Herr Tog posted:

I didn't find anything in hte OP so I will ask here: Hiking and camping in Taiwan? Possible? Legality? WHERE!?

Hiking is a HUGE thing in Taiwan, so finding hiking trails isn't too hard. Camping less so but I know that it's done. The other foreigners in town talk about going camping at Sun Moon Lake all the time so you might want to look into that.

quadrophrenic
Feb 4, 2011

WIN MARNIE WIN
It should be said that "mountain climbing" in Taiwan usually refers to just walking up lots and lots of old mountain staircases, so keep that in mind. But yeah, there are some pretty great trails all over Taiwan.

HappyHelmet
Apr 9, 2003

Hail to the king baby!
Grimey Drawer
Just be wary that any trails that have an "attraction" on them will be crowded as gently caress. "Attraction" being something like a waterfall, rope bridge, view point, hot spring, etc. I've seen some trails, that were even pretty far outside the city, so crowded that it was less like hiking and more like waiting in line at an amusement park ride.

Your best bet is to go somewhere like Taroko National Park that is very big and has lots of trails. Then ask around the locals to find out some of the less popular trails to check out.

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

There are also a bunch of nice-sounding trails down south, although I admittedly only know about them from having translated about them rather than visiting them. I know a guy who goes hiking with a bunch of other people quite regularly, though, so if you want specific recommendations I could ask for you.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


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Anyone going to Smashing Pumpkins on Friday?

stfuDonny
Jun 20, 2005

Inconceivable.
Fun Shoe
Hey Taigoons, anyone know where I can find a good western breakfast in Taipei that's not associated with a hotel? Cafe Dante is ok, but outside of their waffles it's a bit lacking...I've been craving a fried egg sandwich on sourdough but I know that's probably impossible.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


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Carnegies or the Diner both have western breakfasts that are pretty good.

POCKET CHOMP
Jul 20, 2003

me irl.
I'm not a Taipei resident (yet), but when I'm up north I've been to The Diner a few times, seemed pretty good. No idea if there are better places, but yeah.

edit: beaten by a minute!

Spanish Matlock
Sep 6, 2004

If you want to play the I-didn't-know-this-was-a-hippo-bar game with me, that's fine.

stfuDonny posted:

Hey Taigoons, anyone know where I can find a good western breakfast in Taipei that's not associated with a hotel? Cafe Dante is ok, but outside of their waffles it's a bit lacking...I've been craving a fried egg sandwich on sourdough but I know that's probably impossible.

Grandma Nitty's. In ShiDa. Act now before total assholes shut it down!

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

You can gte a decent breakfast at NY Bagels, and it's an all-day one. I think the same is true of Cucina Sole, in what used to be Kmall. At least, they do pretty good omelettes.

e: Also, in unrelated news, I just read that the Wall Street chain of buxibans just shut up shop "for financial reasons".

khysanth
Jun 10, 2009

Still love you, Homar

Herr Tog posted:

I didn't find anything in hte OP so I will ask here: Hiking and camping in Taiwan? Possible? Legality? WHERE!?

Near Taipei? Take the Red 5 bus from Jiantan station to Yangmingshan.

Want to get away? Take an overnight bus from Taipei Main Station to Alishan. I think it's on the Kuo-Kuang bus line, and is only on Thu/Fri (maybe Fri/Sat) nights from the western terminal (#2?). You'll get there between 3 and 4am, in time to catch the historic train ride to the top for the amazing sunrise over distant Yushan. Then spend a few hours hiking around/back down toward the bus terminal. The return bus leaves around noon and gets you back into Taipei between 6 or 7 I think.

Hop on a train on the east coast and head down to Taroko Gorge. Get off at Xincheng station and take a cab up to the visitor's center. If you're leaving from Taipei, go EARLY in the morning (like the first train you can catch). We left Taipei around 9am and only really had time to hike one trail before we had to catch the last bus out from the visitor's center. Live and learn.

Hope this helps. :)

khysanth fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Aug 7, 2012

url
Apr 23, 2007

internet gnuru

TetsuoTW posted:

e: Also, in unrelated news, I just read that the Wall Street chain of buxibans just shut up shop "for financial reasons".

i was considering working for them when I first arrived.

Bullet dodged I guess.

Ravendas
Sep 29, 2001




TetsuoTW posted:

e: Also, in unrelated news, I just read that the Wall Street chain of buxibans just shut up shop "for financial reasons".

Yikes, thought that was one of the more richy-rich types of schools. Other schools get to eat up their (tiny) student base at least, so others should get a boost.

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

Apparently they only had like 700 students across five schools, so I guess they were more hosed than we realized.

duckfarts
Jul 2, 2010

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Soiled Meat
Oh look, the school I was going to teach at before I lucked out and found a writing job. The hiring guy was a pretty decent guy at least.

DontAskKant
Aug 13, 2011

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All of my vacation plans are hosed so I am doing this last minute. I found a relatively not so expensive last minute flight to Taipei for about 6 days. Is that enough time to putz around Taipei and maybe see another part of the island? Does anyone want to show a goon around? Do you have a welcoming committee? (It's a thing that Lummox and I over in the Koreathread started doing, mostly it's an excuse to get drunk with new goons and show them some cool poo poo)

Any recommendations on hostels or just go online and pick one with a good rating. Are there other housing options?

The other idea is to take a flight with a 20 and 23 hour stop over there and back in Taipei that arrives and leaves around noon. How far away from interesting things is the airport? Could I run in, eat and drink, sleep, and get out with reasonable ease?

DuckFarts, are you the technical editor/patent engineer guy?

Doesn't Wall Street in Taiwan require a CELTA and some serious experience or was The one in Seoul giving me a story?

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


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The airport is a good hour from anything interesting in light traffic. There's no welcoming committee per say, but a couple of us have done our best to offer beer to any goons that make it out here.

Could you see some poo poo in Taipei in less than 24 hours? Yeah, but it would be exhausting. You wouldn't really need to give yourself as much time as you would in another major international airport (the Taiwanese sure don't), but it's still a trek from anything worth seeing. 6 days is ample time to do everything of note, though.

I've never stayed in a hotel, so I can't offer advice there. Stuff is cheap here so I can't imagine that a real hotel wouldn't be affordable. I personally only stay in hostels when things are ridiculously expensive.

url
Apr 23, 2007

internet gnuru

duckfarts posted:

Oh look, the school I was going to teach at before I lucked out and found a writing job. The hiring guy was a pretty decent guy at least.

I passed up a whole bunch of good reply opportunities here.

DontAskKant posted:

Doesn't Wall Street in Taiwan require a CELTA and some serious experience or was The one in Seoul giving me a story?

They didn't ask me for anything beyond immediate availability, but, that was the Kaohsiung set and they were obviously operating on short notice.

Haraksha posted:


I've never stayed in a hotel, so I can't offer advice there. Stuff is cheap here so I can't imagine that a real hotel wouldn't be affordable. I personally only stay in hostels when things are ridiculously expensive.

Depending on your budget the motels are easily of hotel quality, and I think they are similar to some of the (nicer) hostel prices.

url fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Aug 10, 2012

DontAskKant
Aug 13, 2011

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Really I just want to come out and maybe see some buildings and then eat a bunch of food and do that again on the way back.

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

In that case, six days'll be more than enough.

DontAskKant posted:

Doesn't Wall Street in Taiwan require a CELTA and some serious experience or was The one in Seoul giving me a story?
Well, at this point what Wall Street in Taiwan requires of potential employees is a time machine or Scrooge McDuck's money bin.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
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DontAskKant posted:

Really I just want to come out and maybe see some buildings and then eat a bunch of food and do that again on the way back.

Go buy a brick of tofu from your local market in Korea. Leave it on the ondol for a week. Congrats, you've recreated the most cherished local dish.

Seriously through, out of all the Asian countries you could visit, Taiwan is the worst as far as food is concerned. At least, that's my opinion. We debate it a lot in this thread. What it comes down to is that there is, in fact, excellent food here, but the excellent food isn't really anything unique to Taiwan. The primary cuisine of the locals is heavily fried, flavorless meats and organs with a large helping of veggies, tofu, and rice. It occupies a weird nutritional nice of being low in calories, high in nutrients, while also being pretty bad for you, unless you just stick to the fish.

The buildings are pretty cool though, especially compared to the soviet style apartment blocks in Korea.

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

Actually on the food thing, if you do the six-day plan and you're feeling adventurous, you should hit up Taiya Popo restaurant in Wulai for some Aboriginal food, like fried bees, As Seen On TV:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nTn_H0rJGs&t=90s

e: And while his pronunciation of absolutely anything Chinese is loving atrocious, full credit to the man for a reasonable approximation of the actual, native pronunciation of Atayal.

Spanish Matlock
Sep 6, 2004

If you want to play the I-didn't-know-this-was-a-hippo-bar game with me, that's fine.
Taiwanese food is delicious. The tradition of sitting in open air restaurants and guzzling tai-beer and sharing plates of fried meat treats is pretty awesome.

DontAskKant
Aug 13, 2011

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the eating and drinking thing was for the layover. I guess for 6 days I would want to do some hiking and tea drinking/buying and maybe a beach? Does everyone wear a full set of clothes with only a face visible at the beach there too?

Really, I am looking at Taiwan on word from my Hong Kong friend who loves it. Also as a backup in case my flights to HK or Vietnam on Sunday turn out to be too expensive or non-existent.

Also, scouting a new place to move to for work. The short list for writing gigs is Shanghai, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. With 5 years in journalism and 4 in IT and a degree I should be able to find something I would think.

url
Apr 23, 2007

internet gnuru

Spanish Matlock posted:

Taiwanese food is delicious. The tradition of sitting in open air restaurants and guzzling tai-beer and sharing plates of fried meat treats is pretty awesome.

This.

TetsuoTW posted:

fried bees

I'm in!

DontAskKant posted:

5 years in journalism and 4 in IT and a degree I should be able to find something I would think.

I don't foresee any problems.
Contact whoever you know, and toss your CV onto 104 etc etc, and direct mail.
You'll be inundated in no time I'm quite sure of it.

Firms here are scraping LinkedIn on a pretty regular basis.
(Both nVidia and Google contacted me recently)
So, yeah update your keywords with the latest jargon and you'll get approached that way too.

(I'd suggest getting a spare SIM card prior to this process, because the spammers here are loving quick off the mark)

E; spurling and ytops

url fucked around with this message at 08:34 on Aug 10, 2012

DontAskKant
Aug 13, 2011

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What is 104? a site? any other sites?

I know I have brought this up here before, but I don't remember URL's take on it. Maybe we can PM so as not to clutter the thread.

If I do make it in, there isn't really anything I wont try (as long as it won't make me sick), there are some things I know I don't like, but will try anyway like fermented skate wing in Korea. There is a reason they keep that poo poo covered on the buffet and I have yet to find a Korean who willingly eats it.

Basically all I heard about Taiwan from her was "trees, green stuff, real tea, bubble tea, noodles, OMG!" Also, sorta kinda clean air!

url
Apr 23, 2007

internet gnuru

DontAskKant posted:

What is 104? a site? any other sites?

ahh, my bad: http://www.104.com.tw/ CV/resume site
(you'll need the www bit because - lol)

there's 1111.com.tw too, but I don't think that's quite as popular.

DontAskKant posted:

I know I have brought this up here before, but I don't remember URL's take on it. Maybe we can PM so as not to clutter the thread.

Hit my PM by all means, but the folk who have been here (in tw) longer are likely a better source of quality information for a long term stay/and for a short term stay too tbh. I'm only coming up to my first year here, and I had a pretty easy ride because I stayed with a friend while I set myself up.

That's not to say I won't/can't help, but there's folk in this thread better equipped than me, plus I'm from a UK/EU background and I'd guess alot of the info you'll be asking about will be US specific.

DontAskKant posted:

Basically all I heard about Taiwan from her was "trees, green stuff, real tea, bubble tea, noodles, OMG!" Also, sorta kinda clean air!

I haven't really done a great deal of touristy stuff yet. So far I've kept in and around Taipei.

"sorta kinda clean air" pretty much nails it though.

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

DontAskKant posted:

Does everyone wear a full set of clothes with only a face visible at the beach there too?
To the older generation - boomers, basically - bikinis are scandalous. To anyone younger, do that poo poo. Although I'm not sure how they reconcile that with "Eek, the sun!" People will still totally just go to the beach and stay normally clothed a lot too though.

quote:

Really, I am looking at Taiwan on word from my Hong Kong friend who loves it.
Compared to Hong Kong (and, apparently, the mainland), Taiwan is a loving paradise. But even with that aside, I maintain that Taiwan is probably the most comfortable place to live in East Asia. Hong Kong and Japan are too expensive and polluted (at least the cities), and China is, well, China. Although god knows the Taipei City Government is doing all they can to gently caress that up. Luckily everyone from the top down is basically either completely ineffectual and incompetent, or just mostly ineffectual and incompetent.

quote:

The short list for writing gigs is Shanghai, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. With 5 years in journalism and 4 in IT and a degree I should be able to find something I would think.
You should piss in over here. No problem. You'd almost be overqualified, going by some of the guys I know who do IT-related stuff here. (Present company excluded.)

quote:

Basically all I heard about Taiwan from her was "trees, green stuff, real tea, bubble tea, noodles, OMG!" Also, sorta kinda clean air!
Yeah, get out of the city and Taiwan's actually really nice, nature-wise. Even within and immediately around Taipei there's a heap of parks and poo poo. I assume that's what you mean by "green stuff," because if you're leaning more TCC then you're poo poo out of luck on that particular count unless you've got hell of money to burn.

url posted:

you'll need the www bit because - lol
Yeah, despite being home to companies that make a hell of a lot of computer components, Taiwanese companies don't understand a goddamned thing about how to actually use the things.

DontAskKant
Aug 13, 2011

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Booking tickets now and I am choosing between HK, Taiwan, and Philippines (once I factor in the flight to Cebu to gtfo of Manilla) they are all about the same cost. Easy enough to get around in Taiwan? Meet up with a few of you? if that's the case then I'll just go Taiwan because the Philippines would be great, but gently caress if I know what to do there solo.

url
Apr 23, 2007

internet gnuru

DontAskKant posted:

Booking tickets now and I am choosing between HK, Taiwan, and Philippines (once I factor in the flight to Cebu to gtfo of Manilla) they are all about the same cost. Easy enough to get around in Taiwan? Meet up with a few of you? if that's the case then I'll just go Taiwan because the Philippines would be great, but gently caress if I know what to do there solo.

Metro transport: here is easily amongst the best I've ever used.
Cabs: plentiful and reasonably priced
Scooter: I'm on a scooter so all other scooters and anything else on the road is my enemy
Bus: I don't use them, but I will pull up next to one with open doors to enjoy the awesome AC they blast. (by all accounts they are reliable and well priced)

Meeting goons: I'm tied up this weekend, but next weekend or an evening after I get off work we can do a few beers.

From what I hear being solo in the Phillipines isn't something you should pass up too often vOv

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


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I come to Taipei every Saturday afternoon for Chinese lessons, so come evening I'm free. Also, I have a car and am itching to do something with it. I keep joking about a fat goon trip to the beach, but that might be something to do on a coming weekend.

duckfarts
Jul 2, 2010

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Soiled Meat

DontAskKant posted:

DuckFarts, are you the technical editor/patent engineer guy?
Yes/no

For jobs, other than 104, there's tealit.com and forumosa.com. YMMV

url posted:

Bus: I don't use them, but I will pull up next to one with open doors to enjoy the awesome AC they blast. (by all accounts they are reliable and well priced)
If you manage to get data on a smartphone, Google maps is a godsend for giving you a bus routing on demand.

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DontAskKant
Aug 13, 2011

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If I figure out how to get a ticket, this country better be freaking awesome. I have spent 8 hours trying to get this ticket downloading all of the Korean Bank viruses software that I can and it still isn't working. If I just stroll into the airport at 7PM I should be able to find a hostel right? It's a little too late to try the couchsurfing website. Is there anyone able to meet up on Saturday for dinner while I figure poo poo out?

I'll definitely be using my data roaming plan. $8 a day to have unlimited data wherever I want? That's fine.

What do you guys use down there? WhatsApp? Kakao? Can I get some contact info?

I would totally be down for a car trip if you want to use me as an excuse to rally the troops.

:siren: I DID IT!!! :siren:

by 19:00 tomorrow I should be landing in Taiwan Taoyuan International, terminal 1.

Now the clusterfuck that is trying to plan a vacation and pack in a few hours when I wake up after hunting the streets of Seoul at 2AM for a printer.

What do you guys need to contact me on Whatsapp? my phone number? It's acting wonky for me. Just let me know what you guys use.

DontAskKant fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Aug 10, 2012

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