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Baron Bifford posted:Games Workshop is doing the Horus Heresy now, but are there plans in the future to do the collapse of the Imperium in the 42nd millenium? They've expressed desire to do so but there's no immediate plans.
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They're then going to make a book about the rise of the Emperor reborn, right? RIGHT?! 
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Aug 3, 2012 08:57
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Baron Bifford posted:Games Workshop is doing the Horus Heresy now, but are there plans in the future to do the collapse of the Imperium in the 42nd millenium? Also on this note, I don't really read many of the rulebooks or codices unless they have decent fluff, was there anything in the new edition of 40k that mentioned more about the state of the Imperium? I think it was the previous edition that mentioned that the Golden Throne had irreparable problems.
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Aug 3, 2012 12:49
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When the Emperor began his Great Crusade, how did his ships navigate the Warp if he wasn't on Terra to project the Astronomican?
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Aug 3, 2012 13:03
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Baron Bifford posted:Games Workshop is doing the Horus Heresy now, but are there plans in the future to do the collapse of the Imperium in the 42nd millenium? I wouldn't hold my breath, it's been 999.9 for the past decade or so. Sometimes they even go backwards, the latest fantasy codex, Empire, acts like the Storm of Chaos is about to happen.
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Aug 3, 2012 13:46
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Baron Bifford posted:When the Emperor began his Great Crusade, how did his ships navigate the Warp if he wasn't on Terra to project the Astronomican? I thought that during the heresy, he and the Adeptus Astronomica power the Astronomicon but it's only with him gone, that they have to actually sacrifice psykers. Nephilm posted:They've expressed desire to do so but there's no immediate plans. I've never heard of this being the case. They've always maintained that the game provides a setting, not a continuing story even if they did manage to add in one or two lines about how things are going darker. Every attempt to advance the story of both the Warhammer and 40K universe (previously through the world wide events) have ended up with some sort of retcon. The only story I know that stands at the very edge of the 40k setting is Sandy Mitchell's Caiaphas Cain but it's not like any world shattering events are going to happen in that series.
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Aug 3, 2012 13:58
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Baron Bifford posted:When the Emperor began his Great Crusade, how did his ships navigate the Warp if he wasn't on Terra to project the Astronomican? quote:The Chamber of the Astronomican is located beneath the Himalayan Mountains of Terra. It was built by the Emperor of Mankind as a focus for his fathomless psychic power. Originally, the Emperor fueled and directed the beacon himself, projecting a beam of unimaginable psychic power and range through the Warp. How this was done in the early days of the Great Crusade is not clear, as the Emperor was off-world leading the war effort personally much of the time until handing command of the endeavor over to the Warmaster Horus after the Crusade against the Orks on Ullanor. Short answer: I dunno.
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Aug 3, 2012 13:58
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Shroud posted:Yeah, I wonder if it's supposed to be a duology or trilogy. So many threads were left dangling, especially the forged Rogue Trader writ. Surely it must be. There was no resolution of any sort, everything just felt like setup. Besides, Mcneill isn't really in the habit of writing one-off books. I will say that Mcneill's writing style has improved quite a bit though. Aside from the abrupt ending, I loved the hell out of it.
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Aug 3, 2012 16:17
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Warp travel without the Astronomican is possible, however it makes it much safer and easier, allowing for very long jumps and the establishment of relatively stable arterial routes. Presumably, the Emperor was initially guiding his fleets through the warp himself, and as the scope of the Great Crusade expanded, he built the Astronomican and remotely channeled his power through it. That is how powerful a psyker he was, able to power the psychic beacon of such magnitude while simultaneously leading his armies in battle.
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Aug 3, 2012 17:19
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Why did the Emperor even need the Space Marines? He sounds so powerful that he could have appeared on any planet, wiggled his nose and made all of his enemies' heads explode.
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Aug 3, 2012 17:23
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Baron Bifford posted:Why did the Emperor even need the Space Marines? He sounds so powerful that he could have appeared on any planet, wiggled his nose and made all of his enemies' heads explode. It would take a long time to conquer 1,000,000 worlds by yourself. But the Great Crusade was essentially unstoppable when he was leading it, yes.
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Aug 3, 2012 17:38
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Baron Bifford posted:Games Workshop is doing the Horus Heresy now, but are there plans in the future to do the collapse of the Imperium in the 42nd millenium? Have they said this is their goal? Because that is a drastic change from the normal grim dark. They would have to go whole hog on it or it wouldn't work. I mean the impression I've got so far is that if the Emperor was to be reborn he'd be pretty pissed off at the religious fanaticism of humanity given he wanted humanity to be grounded in reason and science. And some of the most fanatically loyal segments of the military might actually become enemies in not wanting to give up the power the cult of personality gave them. A second major civil war setting?
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Aug 3, 2012 18:18
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Are there any rough statistics for the number of psykers in the Imperium? What fraction of the population is psychic? What fraction of these psykers go on to become sanctioned psykers?
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Aug 3, 2012 18:19
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Trast posted:Have they said this is their goal? Because that is a drastic change from the normal grim dark. They would have to go whole hog on it or it wouldn't work. I mean the impression I've got so far is that if the Emperor was to be reborn he'd be pretty pissed off at the religious fanaticism of humanity given he wanted humanity to be grounded in reason and science. And some of the most fanatically loyal segments of the military might actually become enemies in not wanting to give up the power the cult of personality gave them. A second major civil war setting?
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Aug 3, 2012 18:21
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I was in a room with Jervis Johnson and Matt Ward a few weeks ago and they both said they didn't see any need to go into the 42nd millennium for the foreseeable future. As they put it, they love having the setting be at five minutes to midnight, and there are ten thousand years of fluff to backfill. So why bother going beyond at the moment ?
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Aug 3, 2012 18:24
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Because the backfluff is probably going to be more of the same. Chaos, Chaos, Chaos! WAAAGHH!, WAAAGH!, WAAAGH!. FOR THE EMPRAH! Burn those heretics! Bolter porn. Corrupt Inquisitors. Dickhead commissars. The death of the Emperor and the fall of the Imperium will be the most interesting thing to happen to W40K in years. So many of the basic tropes of the setting will be turned on their heads.
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Aug 3, 2012 18:38
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The Badab War was backfill, and that was one of, if not the best, bits of Space Marine fluff they've ever released.
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Aug 3, 2012 18:58
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Purely because it was as good as a second heresy in my opinion.
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Aug 3, 2012 19:28
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^^^^ It ain't no Age of Apostasy Fried Chicken posted:well, that particular group, yes. Other orks no Baron Bifford posted:Because the backfluff is probably going to be more of the same. Chaos, Chaos, Chaos! WAAAGHH!, WAAAGH!, WAAAGH!. FOR THE EMPRAH! Burn those heretics! Bolter porn. Corrupt Inquisitors. Dickhead commissars.
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Aug 3, 2012 20:09
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Baron Bifford posted:Given the theme of Warhammer, whatever happens in the 42nd millenium will be grimdark too. Whether he reincarnates or dies, there will a new Age of Strife. I get that part, all grim dark all the time. But if you are going to make such a fundamental change you'd better have it planned well. I know from Poptartninja's Battletech thread that a similar shakeup with the Dark Age isn't well received by fans and players. A badly handled 42nd millennium setting could damage the brand and those precious model dollars. Just expanding the already present time line with fluff is a much safer bet money wise, in my opinion as someone new to WH40k.
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Aug 3, 2012 20:46
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Baron Bifford posted:Because the backfluff is probably going to be more of the same. Chaos, Chaos, Chaos! WAAAGHH!, WAAAGH!, WAAAGH!. FOR THE EMPRAH! Burn those heretics! Bolter porn. Corrupt Inquisitors. Dickhead commissars. I don't think you "get" 40k. I base this on every question you've asked here so far.
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Aug 4, 2012 00:24
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Wasn't it one of Zeech's plans to have the Emp of mankind trapped in the golden throne because if he died he would ascend to god hood and rival the ruinous powers of the warp. I always figured the Death of the Emp would seem like the darkest day of the Imperium but it would be their first real step to fighting back and retaking ground in a war that has been nothing but their poo poo getting pushed in at all sides. Its also the reason why he strived to remove the Thousand Sons from the playing field because their part in the war would have given humanity too strong of an edge against the forces of choas. Granted the lore of this game makes my head hurt. Zeech creates plans that could end the war in a forte night but plots against himself to make his plans "fail" because if Chaos won he'd lose his power and cease to exist cause there would be no more change in the galaxy. He's like Doctor Doom who is also secretly his own Reed Richards.
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Aug 4, 2012 09:26
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Cream_Filling posted:In my opinion, no. It is a book with literally no ending at all. Nothing happens or is resolved. I feel like someone at the printers hosed up and only send me 2/3 of a book. Not sure how you missed that it was obviously the first part in a series?
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Aug 4, 2012 17:42
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Mowglis Haircut posted:Not sure how you missed that it was obviously the first part in a series? Where, exactly, does it say that it is the first part of a series?
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Aug 4, 2012 23:38
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Wasn't there a piece of fluff on how the emperor cast aside his compassion in order to make himself kill Horus? Essentially he split off a part of his soul and lost power that way which is why he can't heal himself and get off the throne. I've always imagined that's what the star child is. The imperium is a poo poo hole because the passive influence of the emperor leaves no room for compasion. I've also been of the opinion that this part of his soul is what influences certain events, like the reincarnation of Sabbat in the Gaunt universe.
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Aug 4, 2012 23:40
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Demiurge4 posted:Wasn't there a piece of fluff on how the emperor cast aside his compassion in order to make himself kill Horus? Essentially he split off a part of his soul and lost power that way which is why he can't heal himself and get off the throne. I've always imagined that's what the star child is. The imperium is a poo poo hole because the passive influence of the emperor leaves no room for compasion. I've also been of the opinion that this part of his soul is what influences certain events, like the reincarnation of Sabbat in the Gaunt universe. No. That bit off fluff is from the Emperor vs Horus by Bill King. Its merely states that he casts out all compassion & mercy & before destroying Horus.
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Aug 4, 2012 23:49
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Baron Bifford posted:What happens when the workers try to unionize? I'll add to the answers already provided. In the Ultramarines books they mention that there are worker guilds that negotiate with the merchant guild heads, iirc. Basically, some places will have unions and stuff, but they would generally be monolithic and corrupt and so would not really care about the welfare of the workers. Furthermore, you have things like the Inquisition and other organizations that have unlimited power over society. Anything that might slow the grinding machine of eternal war they take an interest in so you don't really have a lot of latitude to negotiate out of mandatory unpaid overtime. The choice usually ends with "You're going to get in that manufactorum and make some loving tanks or you'll be servitored and do it for free. PS: we wish your family luck trying to get public assistance before they starve." Another thing you should think about is that the Imperial Navy literally press-gangs the majority of its workers.
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Olanphonia posted:I'll add to the answers already provided. In the Ultramarines books they mention that there are worker guilds that negotiate with the merchant guild heads, iirc. Basically, some places will have unions and stuff, but they would generally be monolithic and corrupt and so would not really care about the welfare of the workers. Ultramarines have basically said "gently caress the Imperium, we will rule with our own laws" which is why their systems are a relatively good place to live (until you get eaten by Tyranids that is  )
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Aug 5, 2012 01:33
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Demiurge4 posted:Wasn't there a piece of fluff on how the emperor cast aside his compassion in order to make himself kill Horus? Essentially he split off a part of his soul and lost power that way which is why he can't heal himself and get off the throne. I've always imagined that's what the star child is. The imperium is a poo poo hole because the passive influence of the emperor leaves no room for compasion. I've also been of the opinion that this part of his soul is what influences certain events, like the reincarnation of Sabbat in the Gaunt universe.
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Aug 5, 2012 07:49
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Baron Bifford posted:I have a pet theory of mine that the Emperor was in fact ultimately responsible for humanity's golden age of civilization. In some of the older fluff, he was born around the dawn of civilization. He traveled the world incognito, influencing mankind towards peace, progress, and understanding. When he died, that influence stopped and humanity reverted to its natural Stone Age cruelty and magical thinking. This would explain why the Imperium hasn't made any progress in the 10,000 years since the Horus Heresy. I think someone in one of these threads summed up the Emperor perfectly: the greatest leader humanity has ever known; and at the same time a terrible father.
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Aug 5, 2012 15:03
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DocHorror posted:Where, exactly, does it say that it is the first part of a series? Nowhere, but the plot threads left dangling, amount of characters introduced, the fact that the expedition continues on , they all add up to make it pretty obvious that there's gonna be more. Maybe they're not specifying in case it doesn't sell well?
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Aug 5, 2012 15:37
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Just finished the Eisenhorn trilogy and I must say I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm reasonably familiar with the lore and I wasn't really impressed with it but this was the first BL book I've read and a lot better than I expected. Despite some minor annoyances I managed to finish them in about 2 days and I think I'll continue with Ravenor next. I've also started with Gaunt's Ghosts and I can really see where Abnett's improved. If anyone has any further recommendations, I'd really appreciate them.
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Aug 5, 2012 16:59
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oscarthewilde posted:If anyone has any further recommendations, I'd really appreciate them. Congratulations, you've read the thread title, now it's time to read the OP. On a more serious note, it depends on what you're looking for. Bolter porn? Fleshing out of a particular element of the setting?
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oscarthewilde posted:Just finished the Eisenhorn trilogy and I must say I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm reasonably familiar with the lore and I wasn't really impressed with it but this was the first BL book I've read and a lot better than I expected. Despite some minor annoyances I managed to finish them in about 2 days and I think I'll continue with Ravenor next. I've also started with Gaunt's Ghosts and I can really see where Abnett's improved. If anyone has any further recommendations, I'd really appreciate them. I'm doing the exact same reading due to this thread and the last. Ravenor is very enjoyable as well.
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Aug 5, 2012 23:32
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Mowglis Haircut posted:Not sure how you missed that it was obviously the first part in a series? I could tell. But being the first book in a series doesn't excuse something as basic as not having an ending. There's a difference between a cliffhanger ending and not actually wrapping anything up at all and just sort of going *plop* in the middle. It's terrible and I can't believe they published it like that. The fact that it's the first in a series just makes it worse, since it's possible that they're not lazy but in fact intentionally compromised the book to try to get you to buy the rest of them. It doesn't exactly inspire faith or motivate me to keep buying more. Many of the characters introduced don't actually do anything or develop or even receive anything more than a cursory description, and every single plot thread is left dangling. That's not just "setting up" for a series - it's cheating the reader. All that time spent on build-up for as yet unwritten books is basically wasted space since it adds nothing to the book. It's lazy writing and annoys the hell out of me. And basically every other decent book series manages to have each book be at least satisfying and readable on its own, even outside the setups and context from later/previous installments.
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Cream_Filling posted:I could tell. But being the first book in a series doesn't excuse something as basic as not having an ending. There's a difference between a cliffhanger ending and not actually wrapping anything up at all and just sort of going *plop* in the middle. It's terrible and I can't believe they published it like that. The fact that it's the first in a series just makes it worse, since it's possible that they're not lazy but in fact intentionally compromised the book to try to get you to buy the rest of them. It doesn't exactly inspire faith or motivate me to keep buying more. McNeill does this all the time, half of the Ultramarines books end with the protagonist in a hopeless situation on a Daemon world or whatever. Next time don't read any of his books until there's some consensus as to their quality or until the entire series has been released, lesson learned I guess.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:McNeill does this all the time, half of the Ultramarines books end with the protagonist in a hopeless situation on a Daemon world or whatever. Next time don't read any of his books until there's some consensus as to their quality or until the entire series has been released, lesson learned I guess. Yes and no. I read some of those Ultramarine books and, while they end in cliffhangers, they also at least actually have endings that wrap up plot threads, have some level of progression, and give a general sense of closure. The Ultramarines books are pretty bad, too, but even bearing that general level of quality in mind, and not having personally paid money for the book, I was still disappointed.
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oscarthewilde posted:Just finished the Eisenhorn trilogy and I must say I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm reasonably familiar with the lore and I wasn't really impressed with it but this was the first BL book I've read and a lot better than I expected. Despite some minor annoyances I managed to finish them in about 2 days and I think I'll continue with Ravenor next. I've also started with Gaunt's Ghosts and I can really see where Abnett's improved. If anyone has any further recommendations, I'd really appreciate them. One of the best books in the series/omnibus IMHO is called Necropolis. It's reads as if Dan Abbnett paid homage to "The Battle of Stalingrad" in the 40K universe and substituted the Germans with a Chaos Army and the Russian's with the Imperium. There is a lot of high paced action and urban warfare that makes it a great read once the action starts. Well that's my take on it at least. Edit: It's almost as good as the book "Storm of Iron" but not quite. Sweaty Palms fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Aug 7, 2012 |
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Aug 7, 2012 08:47
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Nobody reads the OP People like that personal attention of a quoted reply.
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