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People that watch grappling outside of highlight videos are sick in the head & balls.
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Crossposted to the tattoo thread: I'm getting the inside of my left bicep done up tomorrow. I typically kickbox three times a week or so. How long should I take off/go no contact to let it heal? I'm not a grappler or anything so I'm not rubbing it up against anyone. I figure any contact to my inner bicep is gonna be accidental and doesn't happen much, so I'm hoping that I'll only have to drop a week or so. Anyone have any experience with this?
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Aug 6, 2012 16:25
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attackmole posted:Crossposted to the tattoo thread: I do grapple with it to but I'm always conscious of it and let sparring partners know
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Aug 6, 2012 16:45
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Yeah I'd skip a couple days if it's sore and still excreting liquid, then you should be good.
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Aug 6, 2012 17:19
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Paul Pot posted:People that watch grappling outside of highlight videos are sick in the head & balls. You're just trying to cause trouble, but I'll bite. People that enjoy grappling should enjoy grappling videos, and high level grapplers are always expressing a beautiful movement even if you're too stupid or bored to see. Go watch baseball and then tell me that high level grappling is lame.
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Aug 6, 2012 17:47
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Phew. An eye specialist I saw (thanks to our high taxes and thus free healthcare I could visit such a person) was able to explain to me why I have repeat eye "infections" I mentioned once or twice before after getting punched a lot in the eyes: my cornea is, by birth and genetic trait, weaker in both eyes showing visible past damage, and so on more likely to get slight cuts or tears than with the average person, and then inflame when it dries after getting touched (for example naturally during sleeping, after boxing) so it's sort of a relief. It's not THAT serious after all, just inconvenient and very painful for the duration.
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Aug 6, 2012 17:49
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Ligur posted:Phew. An eye specialist I saw (thanks to our high taxes and thus free healthcare I could visit such a person) was able to explain to me why I have repeat eye "infections" I mentioned once or twice before after getting punched a lot in the eyes: my cornea is, by birth and genetic trait, weaker in both eyes showing visible past damage, and so on more likely to get slight cuts or tears than with the average person, and then inflame when it dries after getting touched (for example naturally during sleeping, after boxing) so it's sort of a relief. Perhaps eye drops before bed?
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Aug 6, 2012 18:07
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Kumo Jr. posted:Perhaps eye drops before bed? Yep, I've done it before - but not as regularly as I should as I had not seen an eye specialist yet, I now got a year long prescription for lubricating eye drops which I should start using more or less all the time just for that, and this new high power gel/paste which should kill the current inflammation. Right now it feels like someone pushed hot sand behind my eye and to help matters periodically mixes it with a spoon, but I'm still happy, happy as a sandboy: at least now I know it's just weak & dry corneas causing this, instead of some permanent affliction which is untreatable and/or might permanently disable me, at least not any more than the next person.
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Aug 6, 2012 18:17
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niethan posted:Yeah I'd skip a couple days if it's sore and still excreting liquid, then you should be good. Awesome, thanks for the help guys.
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Aug 6, 2012 19:14
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attackmole posted:Crossposted to the tattoo thread: Take a few days off, and then go back into the gym and fix your defense. If you're having 'accidental' and not much contact to the inside of your biceps, you're chicken winging. Stay tight and compact. I had a big problem with this, and to fix it, I drilled while clutching a boxing mitt in my armpit. Forced the static arm to stay tight and against my body instead of floating up
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Aug 6, 2012 20:24
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attackmole posted:I'm getting the inside of my left bicep done up tomorrow. I typically kickbox three times a week or so. How long should I take off/go no contact to let it heal? I'm not a grappler or anything so I'm not rubbing it up against anyone. I have bunch of friends who regularly get new ink or do new ink, two weeks off without heavy sweating seems to be suggested (if you get a lot of colour and grapple, then three). As it happens I just had this discussion with a boxing friend today, he is getting some new stuff done in a month or so, relatively small, and plans only to take a week off because that was fine the last time. But most of the people I know about who actually do the tattooing prefer two weeks plus of light exercise only at most. I'd take their advice first.
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Aug 6, 2012 21:08
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attackmole posted:Crossposted to the tattoo thread: You should always listen to your artist first and foremost, if only because if your work gets hosed up or needs touch-ups you are absolved. They only want what is best for your tattoo ( and you, I guess ). That said, IMO, it depends on your body and how fast you heal really and/or how lucky you feel. Admittedly my own artist would yell at me for even talking about this because he would say "don't do poo poo for at least 2 weeks". For sure I wouldn't personally do any sort of martial art until the scabs are coming off, simply due to risk of infection. Even if you're not getting hit there, being in a sweaty environment with other people, you are inevitably going to get *something* touching it - even if it's you absent-mindedly brushing it against your sweaty shirt. I've gotten work done and gone to the gym ( just to lift/cardio ) 2 days after which is about the only time immediately after I'm comfortable going and it's dumb because all artists would tell you that avoiding sweating is important - though I haven't personally had any issues, I might just be lucky. There's a sort of period between first getting it, it drying ( it really shouldn't be weeping or oozing longer than the first 24 hours ), and it scabbing where you don't really need to worry as much about infection because the skin is sealed. Obviously you do NOT want to train in any fashion, gym or otherwise, when it is actually scabbed over because tearing/cracking scabs = scars = your new work looks like poo poo. For me, the time from work done -> scabs off = 5-7 days, so I typically only have to take a week off and often will work out once 2-3 days immediately after when the skin has dried right before the scabs start. I don't personally see any reason to not train after the scabs have come off, I mean, it's in your skin, physical manipulation ( grappling ) or sweating isn't going to leech out ink or anything. Your only concern would be that you just got this new ink and if some dick doesn't cut his nails and gives you a nasty slash it's gonna look like poo poo - but that would happen regardless of new work or not.
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Aug 7, 2012 19:05
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Keep that tat out of the gym until it's healed bro. The chance of infection puts you and all your training partners at risk. I'd say just keep your training at home and go lightly so you don't agitate anything. Just my opinion on the subject.
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Aug 8, 2012 01:55
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Novum posted:Keep that tat out of the gym until it's healed bro. The chance of infection puts you and all your training partners at risk. I'd say just keep your training at home and go lightly so you don't agitate anything. Just my opinion on the subject. Agreed. Anyone who says you should be in the gym within two-three weeks doesn't know what they're talking about. Nothing wrong with taking a few weeks off.
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Aug 8, 2012 03:13
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The fact that I'd have to take time off from the gym is literally the only thing keeping me from getting inked. I have a sickness.
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Aug 8, 2012 04:30
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I skipped practice because my thumb hurt 
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Aug 8, 2012 04:36
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Fontoyn posted:I skipped practice because my thumb hurt My right thumb has been hurting the whole goddamn year, it's such an annoying and persistent injury, I can feel your pain dude! I try to wrap it tightly, and to be really really careful, but like every third sparring session I injure it again. It's always the same, I throw a combination to push my partner into the ropes or the corner, like teep right cross left knee, they step to their left to evade, and I try to catch them with a right hook. Bang, my right thumb crashes against their forehead and starts hurting like poo poo for weeks. I can't even imagine how much it would hurt with 4oz instead of the 14oz gloves we wear.. How did you injure yours?
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Aug 8, 2012 06:27
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Fontoyn posted:I skipped practice because my thumb hurt I, on the other hand, packed my gym back to work and will probably try how my eye handles a littles sweat today, at least if it's not going to get more inflamed again during the day 
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Aug 8, 2012 07:21
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http://youtu.be/yFmooGVc2Dc Is this some kind of joke? I watched a documentary on national geographic about Shaolin schools and thought it looked pretty cool. But the way this school made the video like they're talking to the gooniest, sword unwrapping ubernerd is pretty depressing. So I'm looking into Muay Thai, but I have sort of an issue with getting kicked in the face repeatedly. I tend to hate it when people touch my head in general, even friends as a joke. So for Muay Thai or Boxing guys, is this something you get used to (by soldiering up), or it's possible that it's just not my thing?
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Aug 8, 2012 08:39
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eine dose socken posted:My right thumb has been hurting the whole goddamn year, it's such an annoying and persistent injury, I can feel your pain dude! My right thumb kept getting re-sprained this semester until I switched gloves. I've been using Thai brands since day 1, but now I've got these Hayabusa gloves and can easily make a natural fist for the first time. It's harder to clinch in these, but I have no interest in full rules Muay Thai anyway.
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Aug 8, 2012 08:52
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pastorrich posted:So I'm looking into Muay Thai, but I have sort of an issue with getting kicked in the face repeatedly. I tend to hate it when people touch my head in general, even friends as a joke. Only one way to find out. Train up to the point where there'll be limited contact in drills. And see if you can deal. Funnily enough, Thai people take it as an immense disrespect when other people put feet on their heads, so that figures into Thai boxing showmanship and tactics.
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Aug 8, 2012 08:58
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pastorrich posted:I tend to hate it when people touch my head in general, even friends as a joke. that sounds like a mental illness, not a common condition
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Aug 8, 2012 08:59
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pastorrich posted:http://youtu.be/yFmooGVc2Dc "Intense stance training", nice! I also liked the part where they use tiny wooden benches as weapons. Useful for my next fight in a midget locker room! Well if you dislike contact, that Shaolin stuff may be ideal for you  Kidding aside, Muay Thai and boxing aren't martial arts, they are combat sports, so there will be (some) contact with your head. Clinching is constant contact with your head, and it's a vital component of Muay Thai training. Besides, nobody likes getting kicked in the face, it's not just you. It's not constant, but it happens - you can either get used to it, or try something else.
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Aug 8, 2012 09:01
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eine dose socken posted:Muay Thai and boxing aren't martial arts Um what?
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Aug 8, 2012 09:12
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Ok maybe i threw that out without enough clarification. Of course they are "martial arts", but they are trained differently from many other martial arts. Here in germany, we differentiate between non-contact martial arts ("Kampfkunst") and contact combat sports trained for competition ("Kampfsport"). I know the use of the term "martial arts" is more encompassing in english, but i actually like the differentiation of the two.
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Aug 8, 2012 09:25
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eine dose socken posted:Ok maybe i threw that out without enough clarification. Of course they are "martial arts", but they are trained differently from many other martial arts. Not that great of a distinction and no one in berlin makes it. I guess only if you step in a ring do you say kampfsport. Other than people calling boxing a sport, no one really makes a distinction. Also that you tube was loving hilarious
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Aug 8, 2012 10:13
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I've been thinking about quitting my gym lately. I mainly train in kickboxing over there, but I've hit the MMA and jujitsu classes from time to time. It's been hard for me to really pin down why I feel this way, but for some reason I just keep making excuses to avoid going there. The gym has a lot of equipment, and it's not like I don't get along with the people there. I was thinking it might be because I haven't really developed any kind of friendship with anyone there, which is what kind of kept me going in kendo for a long time. I guess the best way I can put it is that I just don't really, "feel," it there, if that makes sense. Am I being an idiot or should I start looking for a different place to train?
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Aug 8, 2012 10:55
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I watched a friend's capoeira class tonight. The physical aspect of it looks like so much fun, but I can't handle the musical part. The teacher was really easy going with all the backflips but then got angry at his class for not remembering the words to a song. He angrily exclaimed at one point "If you don't like singing, you picked the wrong sport!". Different worlds.
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Aug 8, 2012 12:28
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:"If you don't like singing, you picked the wrong sport!". Dang. Add another reason why I'm too vanilla to ever dare set foot into a capoeira den, with all its beautiful people who have a sense of rhythm.
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Aug 8, 2012 13:20
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Guilty posted:Not that great of a distinction and no one in berlin makes it. I guess only if you step in a ring do you say kampfsport. Other than people calling boxing a sport, no one really makes a distinction. Actually, the great Chael Sonnen made than distinction when asked whether he was disrespecting the spirit of martial arts with his trash talking. I guess Muay Thai is a difficult case because it's an actual thing instead of a movie myth, but many practitioners feel the urge to unironically bless the 4 pygmy spirits of the ring and listen the worst "music" besides vuvuzelas during fights.
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Aug 8, 2012 14:10
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A stat come out of the Olympics I think fits here. There were 97 matches won by Ippon during the Judo competition. 64 were from throws and 33 were from submissions/pins. So the split is about 2/3 standup to 1/3 matwork. Which goes against the commonly held assumption that there is no matwork in Judo, or that competitors don't have time to hit a submission.
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Aug 8, 2012 17:10
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Paul Pot posted:Actually, the great Chael Sonnen made than distinction when asked whether he was disrespecting the spirit of martial arts with his trash talking. Please tell me you're joking? No wonder you come across as such a troll. "The great Chael Sonnen" is a loving joke. He'll be forgotten about by the end of the year as a loud mouth with no longevity or achievement to speak of in the sport of MMA.
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Aug 8, 2012 17:47
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You seem very angry about a tiny balled wrestling con man.
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Aug 8, 2012 17:54
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Kumo Jr. posted:Please tell me you're joking? No wonder you come across as such a troll. "The great Chael Sonnen" is a loving joke. He'll be forgotten about by the end of the year as a loud mouth with no longevity or achievement to speak of in the sport of MMA. 
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Aug 8, 2012 17:56
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Paul Pot posted:I guess Muay Thai is a difficult case because it's an actual thing instead of a movie myth, but many practitioners feel the urge to unironically bless the 4 pygmy spirits of the ring and listen the worst "music" besides vuvuzelas during fights. I hope this is tongue-in-cheek. The Thai pre-fight ritual is about paying respects - to one's instructors, one's opponents, the judges, and the crowd. It takes a few minutes and actually requires you to focus on it. It's too bad that other competitive martial arts do not include a similarly-solemn show of respect. Instead we get boxers and MMA guys who walk out to the ring to aggressive, profanity-laden rap / rock / metal. They get in the ring, touch gloves for a fleeting moment, and then fight.
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Aug 8, 2012 18:02
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You're probably right, my teeth came out there. I hate Chael Sonnen.
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Aug 8, 2012 18:10
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Kumo Jr. posted:Please tell me you're joking? No wonder you come across as such a troll. "The great Chael Sonnen" is a loving joke. He'll be forgotten about by the end of the year as a loud mouth with no longevity or achievement to speak of in the sport of MMA. Hahahah
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Aug 8, 2012 18:14
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entris posted:I hope this is tongue-in-cheek. The Thai pre-fight ritual is about paying respects - to one's instructors, one's opponents, the judges, and the crowd. It takes a few minutes and actually requires you to focus on it. Agressive music before a fight? The horror!
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Aug 8, 2012 18:15
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He expended too much energy and got tired
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entris posted:I hope this is tongue-in-cheek. The Thai pre-fight ritual is about paying respects - to one's instructors, one's opponents, the judges, and the crowd. It takes a few minutes and actually requires you to focus on it. The biggest egoists and assholes I've met were always going on about respect and how they were so morally superior to those thuggish (whatever style) guys because they bow to sensei and are totally humble, let me tell you how humble I am because I am a deadly human weapon but you'd never know it because I understand true Budo and mediate under
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entris posted:I hope this is tongue-in-cheek. The Thai pre-fight ritual is about paying respects - to one's instructors, one's opponents, the judges, and the crowd. It takes a few minutes and actually requires you to focus on it. Are you an old white man?
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Aug 8, 2012 18:23
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