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tarepanda posted:I don't know about dogs, but the obvious counterargument to me is that there are mute humans who can still comprehend language despite not being able to speak it. Cymbal Monkey posted:This is actually extremely interesting. I remember reading about an experiment involving mute children who didn't yet know sign language. They were sat on a chair in a room filled with stuff. A toy/cookie/good thing was shown to the child being placed behind an object in the room. Children who could speak went straight for the object without trouble. But the mute children had to actually search. They couldn't store the information "behind the cardboard box" or "in the chest". The opposite version is with the Australian aboriginals. Their language doesn't have a concept of right or left, only four cardinal directions. As such their ability to navigate is almost unmatched, and they have an innate sense of direction. 
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randyest posted:Yes I would also like to read more about how beings who can't talk are unable to track an object and how Aussie aboriginals have compasses embedded in their brains. Probably a reference to this: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/magazine/29language-t.html?pagewanted=3&_r=2&sq=Guy%20Deutscher&st=cse&scp=1 Not saying it's right, though.
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I'm looking to buy a Blu-Ray player. Do they all play DVDs as well, or do only specific ones play both?
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User-Friendly posted:I'm looking to buy a Blu-Ray player. Do they all play DVDs as well, or do only specific ones play both? Only specific ones will, but it should say on the box. Nowadays most do, but there are some that don't so you should keep it in mind.
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Xiahou Dun posted:And we should all just forget about the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis. poo poo be dumb. Only linguists think Sapir-Whorf is not 'true'. Most other fields have done research that 'proves' it, to the degree that anything can be proved. And it is the basis for most of European intellectual thought from the latter half of the 20th century onwards. Linguists are very good at analyzing languages, but no so good at the underpinnings, it seems. kapalama fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Aug 12, 2012 |
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EVERYTHING I SAY ABOUT JAPAN OR LIVING IN JAPAN IS COMPLETELY WRONG, BUT YOU BETTER BELIEVE I'LL 
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They say the Black Death helped free the peasant class from feudal oppression by reducing the labor force and thus giving the survivors more leverage to demand higher wages and better treatment. If the Black Death killed half of Britain's population, then the population would have simply been returned to levels a century or two earlier, when feudalism was strong. Obviously, there's more to the story than "it killed half the population". What other factors were at play? Perhaps the plague spared the gentry more, leading to a surplus of employers.
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Baron Bifford posted:They say the Black Death helped free the peasant class from feudal oppression by reducing the labor force and thus giving the survivors more leverage to demand higher wages and better treatment. If the Black Death killed half of Britain's population, then the population would have simply been returned to levels a century or two earlier, when feudalism was strong. Obviously, there's more to the story than "it killed half the population". What other factors were at play? Perhaps the plague spared the gentry more, leading to a surplus of employers. I heard only the same thing you did--but it makes sense for an agrarian world where, no matter what you say about divine right, your power really comes from your land and resources. When there are only so many people left to work your land and tend your livestock, you find they can drive a hard bargain. After all, there was probably another wealthy land-owning dude down the road who has the same problem you did and was willing to take them up on that offer while your cattle wandered and your crops rotted. Put down the turkey leg and hooker and harvest your own crops, or give the jerks what they want? You can't eat gold. It also makes sense that less hot shot landowners than laborers died, just by the sheer numbers of the latter who made up the base of the power pyramid--not to mention the tight, filthy living conditions of the laboring class. Entire villages vanished. I don't think the European population built back up to pre-plague figures until 1600. I wonder how much a carton of berries or a head of lettuce would cost if America magicked away all the illegal laborers. EDIT: I wish I knew the source for this, and would die of embarrassment if it were from SA, but I understand Eastern European landowners cracked down harder on the laborers, and the feudal thing lasted a lot longer there. If I find the source, I will edit to add it and any corrections I should make. Liebfraumilch fucked around with this message at 09:42 on Aug 12, 2012 |
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Liebfraumilch posted:I wonder how much a carton of berries or a head of lettuce would cost if America magicked away all the illegal laborers.
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randyest posted:Pretty much the same as they cost now. Maybe ~4% more. Most people overestimate the cost of labor in food production. I think you also overestimate serf mobility in feudal eras but I'd like to read more about the evidence for the theories you posted. I'd like to read more about the evidence for my theories, too, but I'm feeling vulnerable after giving away three-quarters of my books before moving. I'm probably pulling from Marks' Origins of the Modern World, and Worlds Together, Worlds Apart which Google says is written by Robert Tignor, as well as from college lectures. I do know that famine preceded plague, and during the plague peasants had seen exactly how fast nobles and clergy could run in the time of their constituents' greatest need, so afterwards when European powers went back to their favorite hobbies of war and squeezing the soul out of laborers, there was unrest and revolts. The shortage and rising demands of the surviving workforce must have been concerning enough for The Statute of Labourers to happen, though. Not in any shape to debate current immigration issues, but I am still skeptical that any self-respecting hipster would get out of bed for minimum wage or less to work for Big Lettuce or slog through ten hour shifts in some unholy meat packing plant. Seriously don't want a derail, so if I'm retarded just notify me as an afterthought to a real post.
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Base Emitter posted:If only it were that simple. Actually step outside the US and stay in the Western World, and most of that is not true. As someone noted public education (versus the bizarre US practice of home schooling which inculcates in lack of social awareness) is the foundation for civic responsibility.
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Liebfraumilch posted:I heard only the same thing you did--but it makes sense for an agrarian world where, no matter what you say about divine right, your power really comes from your land and resources. When there are only so many people left to work your land and tend your livestock, you find they can drive a hard bargain. After all, there was probably another wealthy land-owning dude down the road who has the same problem you did and was willing to take them up on that offer while your cattle wandered and your crops rotted. Put down the turkey leg and hooker and harvest your own crops, or give the jerks what they want? You can't eat gold. Baron Bifford fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Aug 12, 2012 |
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Liebfraumilch posted:EDIT: I wish I knew the source for this, and would die of embarrassment if it were from SA, but I understand Eastern European landowners cracked down harder on the laborers, and the feudal thing lasted a lot longer there. If I find the source, I will edit to add it and any corrections I should make. One factor might be that the death toll varied considerably across Europe. In Poland, it killed very few people, and thus didn't cause as much of a shakeup. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequences_of_the_Black_Death#Europe
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I used to have a thing installed that made links to YouTube videos show up as the name of the video instead of the URL, and if you clicked them the video just appeared on top of the current page so you could play it, close it, and go back to what you were doing. I'm using Opera, but I remember it being available for Firefox and Chrome as well. Does anyone know what I'm talking about and where I could find it? My old HD died and I had to reinstall everything from scratch, and that's pretty much the only thing I haven't gotten back to working how it was before.
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Google-fu hasn't quite helped me find the info I'm looking for since most results are cheap-as-possible scenarios. What quality/options are there for soundproofing in a rowhouse? Or even just a basement in a rowhouse? I'm hypothetically willing to spend a lot of money, enough to be relevant to the cost of a mortage to a hypothetical rowhouse itself.
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I'm looking for an online service for easily collecting and distributing Fantasy Football entry fees and prizes. I found League Safe. Does anyone have experience with them? Anyone have other recommendations? I have limited experience with PayPal but would that be easier? Lower fees is important.
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Zewle posted:Google-fu hasn't quite helped me find the info I'm looking for since most results are cheap-as-possible scenarios. You might want to ask in Musician's Lounge, there's quite a few guys with home studio setups there who would know. It depends on what you want to achieve as well. I've heard good things about eggshell cartons for example  Baron Bifford posted:If this idea is correct - that more peasants than gentry died of the plague - then did the gentry benefit from the plague in any way? They formed a larger fraction of the population after the epidemic. Though they were still the minority, they grew in relation to the peasantry. Doesn't that sort of shift bring some benefits, all other things being equal? I'm no historian, but my guess is that no, the gentry wouldn't have benefited since they already had benefits out the wazoo totally out of proportion to their representation already. As consumers of labor they're the ones who would be squeezed by a tight labor market; you could argue that the ensuing labor rights that occurred were a 'market correction' if you want to get market theory.
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I might be literally retarded. How do I get spotify premium on an iPhone 4gs? I cannot find an option anywhere.
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kapalama posted:Only linguists think Sapir-Whorf is not 'true'. Most other fields have done research that 'proves' it, to the degree that anything can be proved. I've read a lot of these studies that "prove" it, and they are universally awful. The other poo poo is just dumb and insulting broad statements of no relevance. What the gently caress does an "under-pinning" of language even mean in this context?
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Robokomodo posted:I might be literally retarded. How do I get spotify premium on an iPhone 4gs? I cannot find an option anywhere. You just download regular spotify. When you log in, if you have premium the apps becomes premium.
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Xiahou Dun posted:I've read a lot of these studies that "prove" it, and they are universally awful. I especially like that he said "only [THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD KNOW THE MOST ABOUT THIS AND RESEARCH THIS THE MOST] believe it's false!"
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Baron Bifford posted:If this idea is correct - that more peasants than gentry died of the plague - then did the gentry benefit from the plague in any way? They formed a larger fraction of the population after the epidemic. Though they were still the minority, they grew in relation to the peasantry. Doesn't that sort of shift bring some benefits, all other things being equal? Scaramouche is probably onto something, and because I'm old and rusty and haven't been in a Chicago Manual of Style mood for eight years, I want to add a disclaimer that this is basically the gospel according to Liebfraumilch. I have Robert Marks Origins of the Modern World putting the world peasantry percentage between 80-90. That covers all the world, not just Europe, but 80-90% of the population being more or less the rural people at the bottom of the pyramid producing raw goods and food can take a strong hit from the plague and still vastly outnumber the elite, who weren't untouched by death, themselves. If you check out the Statute of Labourers I posted upthread, it was basically several dainty kicks to the face of the peasantry for getting a little too uppity. Things were already looking bad for the ruling elite with their bullshit wars and the famines caused both by a Europe at the tippy-top of its biological ability to sustain a population and a ruthless extraction of taxes from the poor whether it would kill them or not, but after the plague, when the bullshit began to resume like all that had been just a hiccup, there were serious revolts. I don't think many were terribly successful, but success doesn't matter so much as the fact there was suddenly widespread collaboration and a will to kick back. This wasn't my area of focus, so I can't pretend to know if the Caruso-worthy "gently caress Youuuuu" resonated for the following generations of laborers, but just around the time Europe would have been getting back to pre-plague population again and maybe a replay or breaking point, they had found a safety valve.
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I said all thing being equal. Clearly, all not things were not equal. The market forces that resulted from the sudden shrinking of the labor market easily eclipsed whatever social benefits the nobility might have gained now that the peasants didn't outnumber them as heavily as before. But that doesn't mean the benefits weren't there.
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Powered Descent posted:Also requesting a link about this experiment. The obvious counterargument seems to be that dogs don't speak any language, and they have no problem remembering a location that way. Unfortunately I can't find it, it could be an entirely fictitious thing I heard. If it pops up and the thread isn't still on this I'll PM you.
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Baron Bifford posted:I said all thing being equal. Clearly, all not things were not equal. The market forces that resulted from the sudden shrinking of the labor market easily eclipsed whatever social benefits the nobility might have gained now that the peasants didn't outnumber them as heavily as before. But that doesn't mean the benefits weren't there. What did the gentry produce that might benefit from a higher percentage of the population? As far as I can see, they produced organization and a bit of war, which largely consisted of sending the peasants off to be killed. And having relatively more people to live off organization doesn't really mean that it gets any better, in fact, it means less tax income per nobleman.
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Xiahou Dun posted:I've read a lot of these studies that "prove" it, and they are universally awful. The ideas of Sapir-Whorf (not the 100 words for snow thing, but the 'one cannot talk about new ideas in, say, science, without inventing new words (and often new maths) for the new concepts') has been accepted without reservation, long before Sapir-Whorf was posited. It was accepted before Kuhn, even. Most new mathematics were developed for just this reason, from Newton's calculus, to Langrange, to Lorentzian formalas, to tensors, to curls, to partial differential equations, to line integrals. The list of new ideas in science is pretty much the list of new words (or new math) added to the language. QED, for people thinking about mathematical science. Linguist thinks Sapir-Whorf is nonsense is a given. It's part of what linguists are told to think. People who are not linguists however think that language does shape, and constrain, thought. The elections in the US in the past 30 odd years have been pretty much dominated by this idea. The whole idea of political correctness is driven by this idea.
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RaoulDuke12 posted:You just download regular spotify. When you log in, if you have premium the apps becomes premium.
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Go to https://www.spotify.com login, change your sub.
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kapalama posted:The ideas of Sapir-Whorf (not the 100 words for snow thing, but the 'one cannot talk about new ideas in, say, science, without inventing new words (and often new maths) for the new concepts') has been accepted without reservation, long before Sapir-Whorf was posited. It was accepted before Kuhn, even. That has nothing to do with the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, or the idea of linguistic determinism : you've in fact given a counter argument. The strong formulation of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis is based around language creating intractable hard-constraints on thought. The fact that we can come up with new words, indefinitely and at will, is excellent counter-evidence of the idea. It has nothing to do with what you're talking about and you should really stop disparaging people for understanding what they're discussing. It's insulting and you just look like an idiot. Go ask the linguistics thread. Seriously, you don't know what you're talking about.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Go ask the linguistics thread. Seriously, you don't know what you're talking about. Yes, do this.
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Has anyone booked a "Top Secret Hotel" with Travelocity? I have my search settings set to 4-5 star hotels with at least 3-star user ratings, and some of these rates (118$/night for a friday-saturday stay, as an example) are making me very wary in a "too good to be true" sense. This is all the info I can find about it on Travelocityquote:What is the big secret?
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ladyweapon posted:Has anyone booked a "Top Secret Hotel" with Travelocity? I have my search settings set to 4-5 star hotels with at least 3-star user ratings, and some of these rates (118$/night for a friday-saturday stay, as an example) are making me very wary in a "too good to be true" sense. This is all the info I can find about it on Travelocity I've done it; said it was a hotel in lower Manhattan, ended up being the World Center Hotel. A bit further away (but the difference is negligible) than anticipated and probably wouldn't have chosen it otherwise, but it was great and cheap as poo poo as a result. Zero complaints, would roll the dice again.
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I wanna find a thread titled something like "I just kissed yo 12yo baby sistur" or something along those lines. It was goldmined in FYAD within the last 4 years but it doesnt appear to be there now. Someone with a "pope" username like bad pope was the best poster in it but I dont know if he was the OP. I remember there was a lost SA stuff thread but also couldn't find that thread. Any help is appreciated.
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What steps would I need to take to create a "C" like the one seen in this logo (white interior, color outline, white outline) in Word 2010? I'm trying to make a poster, but I know absolutely nothing about graphic design.
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Giant Squid posted:What steps would I need to take to create a "C" like the one seen in this logo (white interior, color outline, white outline) in Word 2010? I'm trying to make a poster, but I know absolutely nothing about graphic design. In Word? Just find the font. I think there's a font called "freshman" or something that has lettering like that. Try maybe whatthefont.com? I'd do it for you but I"m at work. Or like this: http://www.1001fonts.com/sf-collegiate-font.html
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Huntersoninski posted:In Word? Just find the font. I think there's a font called "freshman" or something that has lettering like that. Try maybe whatthefont.com? I'd do it for you but I"m at work. I went to that site and downloaded the file. What do I do from there? The new font doesn't show up on the pull down font menu in Word.
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put it (the unzipped ttf file(s)) in C:/Windows/Fonts
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^^ short and sweet, I've been beatenGiant Squid posted:I went to that site and downloaded the file. What do I do from there? The new font doesn't show up on the pull down font menu in Word. Was the font zipped? Unzip it, extract the files. They'll be a weird extension. Then do a quick search on your computer for where your fonts are kept. If you're on a PC (which I'm assuming since you're using Word), it will probably just be called "fonts" and be loaded with a bunch of similar files (all your current fonts) Drag or copy/paste your new font into that folder and like magic it should be in Word next time you try. I'd do some screencaps for you but my work computer is a mac. Hope this helps
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Thanks so much! Is there a font that looks really similar to the font on the "Keep calm and carry on" posters that I can download?
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Giant Squid posted:Thanks so much! Try uploading a poster to whatthefont.com and seeing what you can find! It's a really handy site to get the hang of.
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