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littlewing
Apr 10, 2003

Lightbulb Out posted:

If they're anything like my E30, they just have loose grounds on the back of the dials.

What all is involved in fixing that? I've got an e30 dash in my car and the gauges are all over the place. Oil temp doesn't do anything, tach is jumpy as hell, fuel stays full for 80% of the tank and then starts diving.

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DevCore
Jul 16, 2003

Schooled by Satan


Thinking of getting back into BMW (RIP 2000 e36 M3) with this 2000 E36/4 Z3 Coupe.
(I replaced my M3 with a VW MkIV GTI 1.8t, it's pretty practical, zippy and I like it as all around)


The good:
- Owned by a spoiled kid who didn't know how to open the hood. All service was done by BMW. (records showed around 8k in repairs in the last 70k miles)
- Repairs included a new alternator, gasket leak fixes and another big ticket item I can't recall.
- Under the hood looks real clean.
- No rust that I could see.

The bad:
- Sunroof was unresponsive and has no cover. (I live in TX with no garage, poo poo will get baked)
- Passenger side interior door handle was ripped off at the top.
- Passenger side seat shifts about a half inch forward/backward when stopping/going.
- 150k miles.
- Needs new tires and some cosmetic work (badges, dings, etc).
- Front bumper doesn't seem to match up with the hood (roughly 1/4th of an inch off)
- Bad design: Water collects in the fuel cap compartment.


It's not the best condition Coupe I've seen, but dammit, I really really like those cars.
Are there any other problems I should keep an eye out for?

Crustashio
Jul 27, 2000

ruh roh

DevCore posted:

Thinking of getting back into BMW (RIP 2000 e36 M3) with this 2000 E36/4 Z3 Coupe.
(I replaced my M3 with a VW MkIV GTI 1.8t, it's pretty practical, zippy and I like it as all around)


The good:
- Owned by a spoiled kid who didn't know how to open the hood. All service was done by BMW. (records showed around 8k in repairs in the last 70k miles)
- Repairs included a new alternator, gasket leak fixes and another big ticket item I can't recall.
- Under the hood looks real clean.
- No rust that I could see.

The bad:
- Sunroof was unresponsive and has no cover. (I live in TX with no garage, poo poo will get baked)
- Passenger side interior door handle was ripped off at the top.
- Passenger side seat shifts about a half inch forward/backward when stopping/going.
- 150k miles.
- Needs new tires and some cosmetic work (badges, dings, etc).
- Front bumper doesn't seem to match up with the hood (roughly 1/4th of an inch off)
- Bad design: Water collects in the fuel cap compartment.


It's not the best condition Coupe I've seen, but dammit, I really really like those cars.
Are there any other problems I should keep an eye out for?

The seat sliding is a known issue, google m coupe seat bushings. That said, it sounds pretty beat though. The 2.8 is pretty anemic in the e36, I doubt it'd be all that much better in a clownshoe.

And there is no such thing as a 2000 e36 m3 :colbert:

Lightbulb Out
Apr 28, 2006

slack jawed yokel

littlewing posted:

What all is involved in fixing that? I've got an e30 dash in my car and the gauges are all over the place. Oil temp doesn't do anything, tach is jumpy as hell, fuel stays full for 80% of the tank and then starts diving.

I've only experienced jumpy gas gauge and temperature gauge. All that needed to be done was to pull the cluster, and then on the rear of them there are two small nuts that were loose. I cleaned the area and tightened them and my gauges were fixed. On one car though, the temperature gauge gets stuck when its cold, and only a knock of the gauge will make it jump into normal operation.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

discstickers posted:

The rears are wider the the fronts. I just checked the other front and it could use a replacement too. Sigh. I think the car is angry because it knows I'm trying to replace it.

Ohhh...was going to mention "unless they're staggered", but figured they weren't. Yeah....staggered is really cool and looks great but it sucks for things like this.

In that case, you want to go with new fronts. But if the rears are also bad.....well...the problem with having better fronts than rears is you tend to oversteer rather than understeer in poor conditions. Understeer is a LOT easier to handle. So the "put the best tires on the back" rule even applies to front wheel drive.

televiper
Feb 12, 2007
Don't listen to him, you know you want that 540 to be more rear end-happy.

listen to him

televiper fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Aug 12, 2012

voltron
Nov 26, 2000
Zapf gave me this account because he's a friend of the Indian-American people.
Just finished the final bushing upgrades on my car. I had done the front stuff a couple weeks ago and my buddy got around to the rear stuff today. Here's what I ended up replacing:

code:
			P/N			Cost	Manuf
Rear Trailing Arm	Black                   75	Powerflex
Front Control Arm	Purple 			140     Powerflex
Subframe		PWF-PFR5-3606B-3607B	190	Powerflex
Diff Bush Set		DM36 			120	AKG
Motor/Transmission	MTS368 			200	AKG
TOTAL						725
The guibo ended up looking pretty good as if it had been replaced my the PO recently, so I left it alone. The center support bearing was shuddering a bit, but tightening up the rear has alleviated some of that. Apart from the CSB, a balance/alignment, and a wash, I can't think of anything else I have in the pipeline for this car. I'm thinking I'll go 245/40-18 square when I need to replace the tires in a year or so.

Got smoked by a tracked out looking STI on the way home. I think he was more surprised to see me give him a friendly wave as we turned our separate ways. On a side note, rolled over 70K on the odometer on that run.

I'm starting to wish my commute was longer...

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krysmopompas
Jan 17, 2004
hi

Crustashio posted:

The seat sliding is a known issue, google m coupe seat bushings. That said, it sounds pretty beat though. The 2.8 is pretty anemic in the e36, I doubt it'd be all that much better in a clownshoe.
It doesn't sound beat at all, really, it just sounds like it's been driven 150k miles and needs a refresh. If it's mechanically solid, has records it sounds like a decent deal.

A clownshoe of any kind, with a clean title, for less than 9k is pretty drat rare. Go far enough north and you rarely even find plain old Z3s for that price. They generate enough interest that if you cleaned it up a bit it wouldn't be hard to put it right back on the market for the same price if the 2.8 isn't enough for you.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Being in Texas, the lack of a cover for the sunroof would almost be a deal killer for me. I almost burned myself the other day because I touched my door for too long.

krysmopompas
Jan 17, 2004
hi

Cojawfee posted:

Being in Texas, the lack of a cover for the sunroof would almost be a deal killer for me. I almost burned myself the other day because I touched my door for too long.
They never came with sunroof covers in the first place, the only option is to pick up a shade from LeatherZ or somewhere.

Crustashio
Jul 27, 2000

ruh roh
The clownshoe sunroof is pretty pointless anyway, as it can't actually slide back. It can only tilt.

krysmopompas
Jan 17, 2004
hi

Crustashio posted:

The clownshoe sunroof is pretty pointless anyway, as it can't actually slide back. It can only tilt.
Not at all - it's great parking ventilation for a hot day without worrying about encouraging someone to try and break in, plus it helps stop buffeting when you've got the windows down.

It could have easily been a metal piece and achieved the same effect, but I think the glass is more aesthetically pleasing. It helps keep the price of sunroof delete clownshoes up too ;)

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

Killing time at the dealership. The F10 is a handsome car, don't get me wrong, it's just too big to be a 3 when I look at it. No M cars to drool at :(

Otis Reddit
Nov 14, 2006

Dantu posted:

Killing time at the dealership. The F10 is a handsome car, don't get me wrong, it's just too big to be a 3 when I look at it. No M cars to drool at :(

Haha. My thoughts, exactly, every time I'm there.

CornHolio
May 20, 2001

Toilet Rascal

Dantu posted:

Killing time at the dealership. The F10 is a handsome car, don't get me wrong, it's just too big to be a 3 when I look at it. No M cars to drool at :(

There's a reason the F10 is too big to be a 3.

sanchez
Feb 26, 2003
I am hoping the 1 becomes less awkward looking and a little bigger to take the place of the old 3.

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

CornHolio posted:

There's a reason the F10 is too big to be a 3.

Meant F30.

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

Cojawfee posted:

Everyone seems to hate the E90 sedan. Someone told me I have a middle aged lady car. Sorry I couldn't afford your lovely 90s honda, bro.

I have heard that too, but you can make that argument about nearly anything. I once had the misfortune of arguing with an rear end in a top hat Aston owner that was saying M3's are for Long Island housewives. I guess some dudes just aren't comfortable enough with their manhood to drive something with 4 doors and no gigantic rear wing on the back. Yes, when you have a highly desired brand, some mild-aged women might buy them. The horror!

E: The bit about the rear wing was directed at people bashing the e90 in general, not Aston owners, whom presumably aren't all insufferable douchebags like the one I met.

Bulky Bartokomous fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Aug 13, 2012

BrokenKnucklez
Apr 22, 2008

by zen death robot
I love old sharks.....

http://desmoines.craigslist.org/cto/3197695505.html

I am going to try to take a look at this soon, but dang, I do have some cash lying around. At the risk of sounding retarded, what version of motronic does this have? Is it the relatively easy one to fix if there is an issue with it?

Crustashio
Jul 27, 2000

ruh roh

BrokenKnucklez posted:

I love old sharks.....

http://desmoines.craigslist.org/cto/3197695505.html

I am going to try to take a look at this soon, but dang, I do have some cash lying around. At the risk of sounding retarded, what version of motronic does this have? Is it the relatively easy one to fix if there is an issue with it?

I'd guess it has motronic 1.1. That is a sweet deal for a 533 with a 5spd, definitely worth taking a look at. The 3.3s are supposed to be the better motor M30 in an e28.

discstickers
Jul 29, 2004

televiper posted:

Don't listen to him, you know you want that 540 to be more rear end-happy.

listen to him

Seriously? Ugh.

I'm selling the thing soon. I'd prefer not to spend another 300 or so on rears as well.

GazChap
Dec 4, 2004

I'm hungry. Feed me.
Shortly after picking up my M5, it had to go back to the dealership to get an EML diagnosed. Turns out the fuel system was a bit stuffed so they had to replace a few parts in the fuel system, but it seems to be have cured it!

Pics!















Gay but Spooky
Oct 25, 2005
Thinking of replacing my E28 with this:
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-1993-BMW-525i-NEW-PRICE-W0QQAdIdZ404399977

Anyone have any thoughts/advice?

Crustashio
Jul 27, 2000

ruh roh

Hah, I've been eyeballing that one, I'd love an e34 that got good gas mileage. Two things:

1) check what features it has - the euro imports tend to have way less standard. I got burned on a euro 535i because I assumed it would have AC and didn't even check on the test drive. It didn't and I sold it a month later.




2) check with your insurance company on the vin. TD told me to get hosed when I tried to insure a non north american vin, I had to get it under a different company.

The only real weak point is the cooling system - ask for any evidence of it being changed. If not I'd offer much less. Rust free e34s are rare as hell around here. Just make sure its actually rust free and hasn't had a lovely respray.

ColdPie
Jun 9, 2006

The hunt for a track day car continues.

Took a look at an '87 325is with 180k miles this past weekend. It's a little rough. Owner claims to have had it for about 5 years. PO before him installed a short shifter and Bilsteins in the rear. Shifter feels sloppy, and there's a, I don't know, oscillating noise coming from the rear left when driving. Plus kind of a scraping noise as revs build. Coolant light is on.

Asking 3k, could easily get that under 2.

That's what I found wrong with it. On Thursday I'm taking it to a local BMW place for a quick track day inspection, where they should be able to tell me what it'll take to get up to spec. I'm not hopeful, but it's worth a shot.

Beach Bum
Jan 13, 2010

ColdPie posted:

The hunt for a track day car continues.

Took a look at an '87 325is with 180k miles this past weekend. It's a little rough. Owner claims to have had it for about 5 years. PO before him installed a short shifter and Bilsteins in the rear. Shifter feels sloppy, and there's a, I don't know, oscillating noise coming from the rear left when driving. Plus kind of a scraping noise as revs build. Coolant light is on.

Asking 3k, could easily get that under 2.

That's what I found wrong with it. On Thursday I'm taking it to a local BMW place for a quick track day inspection, where they should be able to tell me what it'll take to get up to spec. I'm not hopeful, but it's worth a shot.

The noise in the left rear screams axle. Easy enough to replace. Do both of them and replace the shaft seals on the diff while you're at it, along with the diff fluid.

Is the scraping noise coming from the engine bay? If so it's probably the water pump bearings going bad. Do the timing belt while you're there. If you don't know when the timing belt was done last, do it before tracking the car anyway, the motor is interference.

BMW shifters universally suck balls. You learn to live with it, or you can put brass bushings everywhere.

Is it the coolant light on the check panel? If so, it's probably just a bad level sensor. Check the coolant level visually. If it's low, fill it up and see if the light goes out. If it doesn't, install a new sensor. Mine is on all the time, but I check my oil and coolant every time I fill up.

If the coolant level sensor is bad, the oil level sensor is probably bad too. That's a bit more of a pain to replace, but it's really just an idiot light for people who can't be arsed to check their oil level regularly. An M20 that old is going to leak oil, period, so keep an eye on it. They like an extra half quart above the top line on the dipstick for track use, long sweepers at the top mark can starve the pickup without a baffle.

If you know half of this poo poo already please forgive me for treating you like you don't know it, I just like to cover all the bases if I give advice :D

Beach Bum fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Aug 14, 2012

BrokenKnucklez
Apr 22, 2008

by zen death robot
http://desmoines.craigslist.org/cto/3205440308.html

Oh why do you have to be an automatic?!?!

Lightbulb Out
Apr 28, 2006

slack jawed yokel

Manual swaps aren't that hard on E30s, and you're divorced. Problem solved.

BrokenKnucklez
Apr 22, 2008

by zen death robot

Lightbulb Out posted:

Manual swaps aren't that hard on E30s, and you're divorced. Problem solved.

Your not helping!

So I would need...

Gearbox
Clutch pedal, clutch slave and master cylinder with associated hardware
Gear lever
Possibly structure cross members or associated things.

New ECU?

Lowclock
Oct 26, 2005
That thing looks like it's been taken decent care of, but man that is a stripper. No leather (or power?) seats, no cruise control, no fog lights, no airbags, no power windows, no OBC, no sunroof, probably manual locks, and the smallest engine all kind of sucks. I'm a huge e34 fan and I would not gently caress with that. Also, being imported is worth nothing, and it's pretty expensive.

Lightbulb Out
Apr 28, 2006

slack jawed yokel

BrokenKnucklez posted:

Your not helping!

So I would need...

Gearbox
Clutch pedal, clutch slave and master cylinder with associated hardware
Gear lever
Possibly structure cross members or associated things.

New ECU?

ECU is the same, so you'd just need the pedal assembly, transmission and associated parts as far as I'm aware.

Here's another one! http://desmoines.craigslist.org/cto/3205243895.html

Crustashio
Jul 27, 2000

ruh roh

Lowclock posted:

That thing looks like it's been taken decent care of, but man that is a stripper. No leather (or power?) seats, no cruise control, no fog lights, no airbags, no power windows, no OBC, no sunroof, probably manual locks, and the smallest engine all kind of sucks. I'm a huge e34 fan and I would not gently caress with that. Also, being imported is worth nothing, and it's pretty expensive.

You haven't been to nova scotia, have you? A rustfree 80s/90s BMW is like a loving unicorn. Yeah, it's a poverty spec euro model but he really isn't that far off a reasonable price. That 535i I had for a month sold the week I listed it, for what I paid (4k), and it was quite similar. The market in atlantic canada is completely off compared to any other part of north america.

On the topic of kijiji listings:

http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-1997-BMW-M3-Premium-Package-Sedan-W0QQAdIdZ404533842

Looked at that today. I was super excited as the guy said it was rust free over the phone. I need to clarify what people mean when they say that, because to me "rustfree" does not equate to "only 5 or 6 surface rust spots". It was also terribly resprayed at some point - the picture lighting isn't wierd, it's now maaco ricer yellow instead of dakar.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
Ugh, got in my car to go over to a friend's house 20 miles away after work and I got the COOLANT LOW message. I thought I'd smelled a touch of burning coolant on the way in, but I was in a giant parking garage and it CERTAINLY couldn't be ME, right? Wait, what's this puddle? Oh, goddammit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hUFsulI5OE

I don't know if you can see in the video, but that pulley is just dancing around like crazy. So it's new water pump time, and I've just moved into a new place and have no tools. There's a german import specialist in walking distance, might be time to give them a go, I suppose.

At least the car warned me before it overheated and ate itself. Speaking of, it still runs perfectly cool on the very short, like thermostat doesn't even open drive to work. What are the odds I can baby this a few days?

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

Gaz that is one hell of a beautiful machine. Congrats.

Black88GTA
Oct 8, 2009

AlternateAccount posted:

Ugh, got in my car to go over to a friend's house 20 miles away after work and I got the COOLANT LOW message. I thought I'd smelled a touch of burning coolant on the way in, but I was in a giant parking garage and it CERTAINLY couldn't be ME, right? Wait, what's this puddle? Oh, goddammit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hUFsulI5OE

I don't know if you can see in the video, but that pulley is just dancing around like crazy. So it's new water pump time, and I've just moved into a new place and have no tools. There's a german import specialist in walking distance, might be time to give them a go, I suppose.

At least the car warned me before it overheated and ate itself. Speaking of, it still runs perfectly cool on the very short, like thermostat doesn't even open drive to work. What are the odds I can baby this a few days?

When those BMW plastic mechanical fans get old, the plastic gets brittle. When the pulley starts wobbling, it gets out of balance. When the brittle fan gets out of balance and starts spinning at high speeds (when the car is warm), this happens (pics stolen from internet):





Not pictured is the destroyed radiator shroud and anything else the flying blades managed to take out before settling. You may get lucky, but I'd park the poo poo out of it.

heated game moment
Oct 30, 2003

Lipstick Apathy

GazChap posted:

Shortly after picking up my M5, it had to go back to the dealership to get an EML diagnosed. Turns out the fuel system was a bit stuffed so they had to replace a few parts in the fuel system, but it seems to be have cured it!

Pics!


That's a nice car. I think that's my favorite color.

SuperDucky
May 13, 2007

by exmarx
Okay so I'm thinking of piecing together a 24v, probably S50, swap for my e30 because I really miss the power of my M3 and I love everything else about my e30.

Unfortunately this is one of those instances where there is so much information available on the internet it becomes confusing. Going by the stickies on r3v and e30 performance I came up with this as yet incomplete list:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AirhFUTBHS8hdGdCazF1UkIzLVRnZjJIV19CajJkUEE

Any glaring issues that anyone sees so far? My main question is this: my e30 is a diving board 85, originally a 318 but 91 m20 swapped. Everywhere I have seen, radiators have been for late models only and the mounts look nothing like my e36 did. Do I have to use a e30 radiator or do the e36 ones plug and play in the earlier cars just like it supposedly does in the later ones?

Deceptor101
Jul 7, 2007

What fun is a project if it doesn't at least slightly ruin your life?
M62tu, was replacing intake manifold gaskets due to lean code. Did injector o rings at the same time since I broke the seal and they were 90k old. Now they're making a ton of noise. Much more sort of, clicking. is this normal? Its 11:15 pm and my tools are all just laying around on the ground. Can't find anything about this from google.

Lowclock
Oct 26, 2005

Deceptor101 posted:

M62tu, was replacing intake manifold gaskets due to lean code. Did injector o rings at the same time since I broke the seal and they were 90k old. Now they're making a ton of noise. Much more sort of, clicking. is this normal? Its 11:15 pm and my tools are all just laying around on the ground. Can't find anything about this from google.
They are solenoids, yes they click. That's what those big insulated covers are for.

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Deceptor101
Jul 7, 2007

What fun is a project if it doesn't at least slightly ruin your life?

Lowclock posted:

They are solenoids, yes they click. That's what those big insulated covers are for.

I feel like its a lot more than usual, and it seems like its not as happy to rev. They aren't leaking out the top, but while Bentley didn't mention it, people recommend lubricating the o rings when installing them. That's just to make installation easier right, not to help seal? I'm freaking out, nothing with this car is going right.

E: Definitely seems like a misfire. No CEL yet, so I don't know if it's just one or all of them. Where else could I have hosed up other than the injectors? Everything else was just gaskets, all the sensors are plugged back in. I guess it's time for bed.

E v2: Tried to seat the injectors more, as all I did with the coils was unplug the connectors and then plug them back in (yes I remembered to attach the coil grounds, I checked them like 5 times :( ). Got them a bit farther with some creative tapping, is this what a seated injector looks like?

Still clicking just as loud and it still shakes when revving and sounds like it backfires a bit when you let off the throttle.

I took it for a quick drive, power is definitely down, but the CEL hasn't come back on yet, not enough drive cycles I guess. Maybe the injector noise is normal, but I hosed up something putting it back together. I didn't replace the OSV, but I did replace the rear intake manifold cover gasket. There was a mix of fuel and oil around all the gaskets in there though. That wouldn't cause it to be worse than when all the gaskets were oily though right? I am going to put on a new OSV, but there's some other problem that I just have no idea about.

Deceptor101 fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Aug 15, 2012

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