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britishbornandbread
Jul 8, 2000

You'll stumble in my footsteps
A former housemate of mine grew up in Blackburn and got into football in the mid-90s. He was put off by all his mates supporting their local team and instead chose to support Manchester United :psyduck:

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aeverous
Nov 13, 2009

Babby Thatcher posted:

do you remember the Blackburn plastics? in Cornwall they emerged in about February of their title winning season and had entirely disappeared (mainly to Newcastle, lmao) by 1997. One of them is a professional footballer now

Yeah one year in school a bunch of kids had switched to supporting Blackburn alongside their love of Brazil. :doh:

I understand supporting another country when it's Copa America or yours didn't qualify or whatever, but people that won't shutup about how poo poo England are and about how they support Brazil Spain instead are even more bizarre to me than club plastics.

PirateBob
Jun 14, 2003
I don't think you guys understand the point of this thread. Or maybe you do.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
What happens when sectarianism and tribalism is mixed with Aspergers? Why the dispute on Wikipedia over whether or not the Rangers playing this coming season are the same as the Rangers playing last season, that's what:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rangers_F.C.

Not going to bother copying and pasting it because you really need to see the whole thing in all its glory.

The Clit Avoider
Aug 11, 2002

El Profesional
That's a lot of text to show that some (okay, a lot of) people don't understand what the phrase "incorporated as a PLC in 1899" means...

oliwan
Jul 20, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo
I just saw Moneyball for the first time. It's amazing. It's like a reverse metaphor for what is going on in football right now.

Well, except for City this transfer period, I guess.

plainswalker75
Feb 22, 2003

Pigs are smarter than Bears, but they can't ride motorcycles
Hair Elf
I debated posting this in the kits thread, but by all rights it belongs here:

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2183077/Mathieu-Debuchy-angry-Lyon-preventing-Newcastle-move.html

This article is terrible. They aren't even consistent in getting the club wrong either since they do call it Lille at one point

luvd
Sep 29, 2011


don't like omelettes but i'll eat crepes all day long
Imagine after Cazorla and Sahin signs then RVP announce that hes staying and all these was his ploy to get Wenger strengthen the squad.

Bobby Digital
Sep 4, 2009

a bad poster yall posted:

Imagine after Cazorla and Sahin signs then RVP announce that hes staying and all these was his ploy to get Wenger strengthen the squad.

Szcz

Sagna
Kosc
Verm
Santos

Song
Arteta
Cazorla

The Ox
RvP
Podolski


:getin:

Paperhouse
Dec 31, 2008

I think
your hair
looks much
better
pushed
over to
one side

plainswalker75 posted:

I debated posting this in the kits thread, but by all rights it belongs here:


lmao

this is so American

Eric Cantonese
Dec 21, 2004

You should hear my accent.

quote:

quote:


WTF?

that t shirt looks like it has a image of a cock in the middle with a gay porn star actor as its head

Jose drops many hints recently.. Im Worried for our boys under the shower.

Can u Imagine Jose hitting on carra when everyone has gone.. :c00l:

I think it's obvious which forum this is from.

chuggo is BACK
Jul 1, 2008




"Chuggo"

PWM POTM December 2014
Robin going to United would be a bigger knife in the back than Na$ri, Ad£bayor and Ca$hley leaving us combined. My love for him (and possibly football) would die an immediate death.

Eric Cantonese
Dec 21, 2004

You should hear my accent.

Loving Africa Chaps
Dec 3, 2007


We had not left it yet, but when I would wake in the night, I would lie, listening, homesick for it already.


wrong thread

euroboy
Mar 24, 2004

chelsea fan5 minutes ago

iam happy cazorla joined arsenal but if sahin come to to arsenal arsenal midfeld will be cazorla,sahin alex chamberlon and wilshea but rosinkey will play untill he back

but what will happen to song arteat rosinkey and walcot

but if cazorla the only midfeldr to comes what will happen to artea rosinkey and walcott all those players don't deserve bench ok and rosinkey alredy this year signed a new contract so what will happen to them can someone explaine

Insanely Sikh
Aug 26, 2009

Winner, SA's Sikh Of the Year, 2013
The genuine concerns really comes through and it's quite sweet.

sticksy
May 26, 2004
Nap Ghost
rosinkey

Ninpo
Aug 6, 2004

by FactsAreUseless
chamberlon

What was that Cantona one from a while back? Cantola?

Bobby Digital
Sep 4, 2009
Mods rename me Arteat Rosinkey tia.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



Ninpo posted:

chamberlon

What was that Cantona one from a while back? Cantola?

Think it was Cantolar.

The Mash
Feb 17, 2007

You have to say I can open my presents

Bovril Delight posted:

Think it was Cantolar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjQwIqkYDeo

It's not that far off tbf

ragle
Nov 1, 2009
http://community.manutd.com/forums/p/149200/1379988.aspx
Re: Charlie Adam = overrated!

quote:

In my opinion, in the present day he is possibly better than Scholesy, has the same range of passing, same extent of vision, is more mobile than Scholes, can strike a good free-kick or corner, and can tackle a lot better than Scholesy. I think £10 - 15 Million for this player would be a bargain, Sign him up Fergie!

quote:

Most Barca players are - while undeniably brilliant - made to look slightly better than they actually are. I'm not saying Iniesta is overrated. He's an awesome player but in fact there isn't too much passing that Iniesta could do and Adam couldn't. Iniesta's dribbling skills roughly make up for Adam's set-pieces.

Not saying Adam is as good as Iniesta, but Adam at a great club such as Utd might as well play at a (somewhat) comparable level.

The Finn
Aug 27, 2004

إنه أصلع في الأسفل، كما تعلم
I'm so loving confused right now

luvd
Sep 29, 2011


don't like omelettes but i'll eat crepes all day long

quote:

How long before the Transfer market collapses?

I know its kinda been touched on by different threads, but i feel its worth a topic of its own

Where does it all end? 'normal' clubs cannot sustain the type of weekly wages and agent fees that are being paid by the likes of PSG

in the current climate, is it time to cap wages and agent fees?

or is it a case of 'tough cheese' and the fans of 99% of other clubs in the world just have to accept that the so-called 'high end' players will now be hoovered up by a select band of clubs financed by Billionaires.

Will Platini actually propose anything, or will he turn a blind eye because PSG are French?

United fans lol

Borogrove
Apr 12, 2008


quote:

And another thing .. the SFA should be renamed Big Brother with enough rules to choke a horse. It keeps the jobsworths in a job of course. What other business is dictated to, on who to employ, how you should pay your employees, what contracts they should have and how their accountants deal with tax issues? Is this communist Scotland?

PirateBob
Jun 14, 2003
(re: Peterborough beating Man Utd reserves)

Wow the United propaganda machine the beeb, talksport,sky and the United red tops kept this result quiet.Well United are the media darlings all said and done.

:tinfoil:

PirateBob
Jun 14, 2003
in the last 5 years:-

out has gone, ronaldo, tevez, saha, berbatov, owen

in has come hernandez

welbeck has come through

rooney has remained.

so we once had rooney, tevez, ronaldo, berbatov with welbeck / macheda coming through.

as it stands......loosing carrick would be a total knightmare but with scholes and giggsy playing on this year along with anderson/cleverley (who started brightly together) and kagawa then we could get by for a couple of week. if we lost rooney for any period of time i dont think any central defensive partnership on the counrty would fear us.

i cant remember having saying that about united.

Bobby Digital
Sep 4, 2009

quote:

A Newcastle fan just rang up Talksport saying that Arsenal are like Newcastle now, in that they have to hope and pray that the big clubs don't come in for their stars because the stars will naturally want to go.

He said 'They're no longer in the same league as Chelsea, City or United'


But I would also say that they're not in the same league as Liverpool either.

Liverpool do not fear about their big stars being poached, Arsenal do.

The reason is quite simple. It's because big players want to play for Liverpool because of the magic, mysticism and tradition that's in the air. It's that 'special club' factor that means even when Liverpool don't make the Champions League, they'll still retain their stars.

If Arsenal don't make the Champions League, half the squad walk out.

Because Arsenal haven't got a history. Haven't got the magic in the air. They're nouveau. 1998 Wenger. McDonalds.

That's why they're in trouble.

To survive you need to be successful or special. And sadly.....Arsenal are neither.

Xabi
Jan 21, 2006

Inventor of the Marmite pasty
Well, he's right about Arsenal lacking that 'special' aura and their fear of poaching.

euroboy
Mar 24, 2004

Xabi posted:

Well, he's right about Arsenal lacking that 'special' aura and their fear of poaching.

I was waiting for you to post this :D

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Liverpool have done well not to lose anyone considering. They probably could have got back into the Champion's League had that £100m been better spent too

luvd
Sep 29, 2011


don't like omelettes but i'll eat crepes all day long

Scott Bakula posted:

Liverpool have done well not to lose anyone considering. They probably could have got back into the Champion's League had that £100m been better spent too

Helps that their best players all have question marks over them like injuries or racism and no big club needs a keeper ATM.

The Finn
Aug 27, 2004

إنه أصلع في الأسفل، كما تعلم
drat you guys have hit a goldmine of bad loving posts, yeah?

luvd
Sep 29, 2011


don't like omelettes but i'll eat crepes all day long

T. Mascis posted:

drat you guys have hit a goldmine of bad loving posts, yeah?

Replies In response to the posts are off limits?

The Finn
Aug 27, 2004

إنه أصلع في الأسفل، كما تعلم

a bad poster yall posted:

Replies In response to the posts are off limits?

Take the boring sniping to the matchday threads or get banned, all of you

The Finn
Aug 27, 2004

إنه أصلع في الأسفل، كما تعلم
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I’ve written before in certain threads about the importance of zone 14 in the modern game. This is the area immediately outside the penalty area, as indicated on the diagram below.




The importance of operating ‘between the lines’ isn’t a secret in football, as players who operate in ‘the hole’ have been around for a long time, and their value well recognised. However, the tactical make-up of the best teams in the world over the last 10 years have been structured to maximise the effectiveness of zone 14 in attack, while providing the necessary defensive system to prevent opponents operating in this zone.

At Euro 2004, over 50% of all successful passes into the penalty area came from zone 14, and evidence from the Premier League in the middle of the last decade suggested that about 75% of goals were scored either directly from zone 14, or from a final pass played from this zone.

The 4-2-3-1 system (which can also look like, or be adapted to, a 4-4-1-1, 4-3-3, 4-5-1 or 4-2-2-2) has become the formation of choice for the tactically astute manager over the last decade, particularly in big games. There are a number of very good reasons for this:

1. Double pivot - two defensive midfielders to the layman. With possitionally aware midfielders, you can prevent the opposition operating in zone 5. (their zone 14). This allows a pressing team to control the most dangerous areas effectively, while still allowing the front 4 to work together and hunt in packs.

2. Progressive full backs - with a back 4 comprising of the CBs and CMs, the full backs are able to join attacks with confidence a mistake can be covered.

3. Multiple players are able to operate in zone 14 as width can be provided by the full-backs and added freedom to have runners ahead of the ball provided by the double pivot

My view is we are neglecting the importance of zone 14 both in attack and defence (zone 5).

Our opponents get a lot of time and space in this zone when they attack, particularly when Lucas and Spearing are missing. It often looks too easy for opponents to get good possession in this zone facing our goal (Campell dropped off and turned on the ball before shooting against the post for Sunderland's goal today).

In attack, we do not operate in this zone very effectively. We either build too much of our play down the wings or rarely have options ahead of the ball on the few occasions we do get good possession in zone 14.

As for our crossing, it is ineffective, not purely because of execution, but because of how we get the ball into crossing areas. It isn’t just about getting bodies into the box.

Research carried out looking at the style of play of successful teams at the highest level indicates that the best teams construct attacks in an outside-inside-outside fashion, where the ball is played wide as it enters the attacking third, whereas less successful teams play up the wings into the final third before crossing the ball.




If a ball is played wide late, it could go to either wing, which means the man who then crosses it is likely to have more time and space. It also means that the opposite full-back is less likely to be in position to cover the back post, and the centre backs less likely to be in position to clear the cross.

Van Persie’s first goal against us is a great example of how to work a crossing opportunity. Rosicky cuts into the centre of the pitch before spreading it wide into the final third to Sagna, who had space as Enrique had moved across to pick up Walcott’s run, while Downing tracks Rosicky as he carries the ball infield. (Incidentally, Walcott’s move off the right could be covered by a holding midfielder if we had a double pivot).

The Finn
Aug 27, 2004

إنه أصلع في الأسفل، كما تعلم
I feel like closing the thread, my god I can't breathe

Eric Cantonese
Dec 21, 2004

You should hear my accent.
You only saw that Zone 14 thread recently?

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The Finn
Aug 27, 2004

إنه أصلع في الأسفل، كما تعلم

TyChan posted:

You only saw that Zone 14 thread recently?

Yep, new to me as of 5 minutes ago

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