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Thesaurus posted:Thanks for the excellent advice and tough love, everyone. You basically want to work for CRLA. I think that is really the only major group doing what you want. It is California only. There's a bit less competition for that than the ACLU (ha!), but isn't exactly easy. If this is what you want to do: Get fluent in spanish. Oh and a third language is preferred. Work for them for a while (maybe for free) to see if you want to work there. Go to yale or a top CA law school (UCLA > T14 that isn't yale, harvard, or CA) Work there 1L and 2L summer (for free) Kick rear end Work for free post bar Get lucky Get underpaid and live in Bakersfield. A 3+ year supervisior gets paid 45-75k. 45k doesn't even go far in Bakersfield.
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nm posted:You basically want to work for CRLA. Weird moment of confusion there where my brain saw "CRLA" but I interpreted it as "CLRA." Can tell I've been working on this arbitration memo for far too long.
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Mons Hubris posted:Welp just got a call from the General Assembly offering me my dream job. Seeya later Patent Office, I guess. How do I bribe your SPE into giving me your job? Only two more weeks left until the PTO or OPM or whoever the gently caress has my application now makes a decision 
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Precedent? What's that? Pick the path that makes least sense Scalia cackles
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zilong posted:How do I bribe your SPE into giving me your job? What discipline did you apply under? I know my SPE in Chem E is still looking for at least one more person besides me to handle distillation.
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Mons Hubris posted:What discipline did you apply under? I know my SPE in Chem E is still looking for at least one more person besides me to handle distillation. I applied under the chemistry opening, but told the interviewer from TC1700 that I could be a good fit for a bunch of the units in 1600 and 1700.
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entris posted:'pop' haiku offends from cherry blossoms to law's corinthian fount is but half a ri
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all these poems suck because they are written by "people" with dead souls
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US News, racket Rankings are falsehoods, like law We play by their rules edit: what's the kanji for "springtime for Hitler in germany?"
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Green Crayons posted:Go into politics. Lawyers generally only make change (which it looks like you want to do) in those fuzzy, gray areas on the edges of what legislation politicians pass. And only after the fact, in total reactionary mode. And limited by specific factual circumstances. Where you'll get paid even less, assuming you can get a job that could have a meaningful impact on policy. And then realize that hahaha there is basically no chance you're going to get anything meaningful passed from your lowly position without browbeating the poo poo out of other people. Oh, and by the way, legislation on immigration policy that isn't horribly reactionary is completely unpassable right now, so have fun with that. I worked in a legislative shop doing substantive work. I now work in biglaw. Biglaw is less soul crushing (also less of a fun environment, although I actually enjoy the work equally). (but, uh, congrats Mons Hubris - glad to hear that job panned out for you after all. Ignore my cynicism, there are good points to it that I'm glossing over.)
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Haha thanks, luckily I'm not forming the policy myself in this job, it's a staff attorney position. As far as state government attorney jobs go, it's about the cushiest we have.
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Kalman posted:I worked in a legislative shop doing substantive work. I now work in biglaw. Biglaw is less soul crushing (also less of a fun environment, although I actually enjoy the work equally). What don't you like about the environment? (Also, what metro is it, if you think that's relevant?)
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Kalman posted:Where you'll get paid even less, assuming you can get a job that could have a meaningful impact on policy. And then realize that hahaha there is basically no chance you're going to get anything meaningful passed from your lowly position without browbeating the poo poo out of other people. Oh, and by the way, legislation on immigration policy that isn't horribly reactionary is completely unpassable right now, so have fun with that. I had an interview with the Washington Legislative Office of the ACLU where the interviewer came right out and said: "If we tread water and don't lose ground to right-wing fucks, we have done all we can do right now." Basically politics is more soul-crushing than biglaw unless you really hate browns and poors.
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Sulecrist posted:What don't you like about the environment? (Also, what metro is it, if you think that's relevant?) Still the DC market, I didn't move metro areas. I actually like the environment at my firm and the people as well, but the particular legislative office I was in was really tightly knit and generally a fantastic group of people who I still hang out with. My group in my firm is friendly and I like them, but not to the same degree of enjoying spending time with them outside of work. Plus, I no longer get to write things that might wind up on the evening news. edit: Yes, I should have been clearer. Warszawa is right: if you hate poor people and brown people and generally enjoy loving over anyone who isn't rich/making sure that nothing that needs to happen can possibly happen (i.e. you are a Republican), now is a GREAT time to get into politics.
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Kalman posted:Plus, I no longer get to write things that might wind up on the evening news. Yeah you can, you just have to really apply yourself.
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Kalman posted:Still the DC market, I didn't move metro areas. I actually like the environment at my firm and the people as well, but the particular legislative office I was in was really tightly knit and generally a fantastic group of people who I still hang out with. My group in my firm is friendly and I like them, but not to the same degree of enjoying spending time with them outside of work. Gotcha, okay. That's something that's really important to me. The people at the DA's office were nice, but I wouldn't really want to accidentally run into any of them at a supermarket or go to a ballgame on the weekend. The associates at the firm (and this office "only" has about fifty lawyers) tended to be people I could get pretty sauced with. The partners were cordial but overwhelmingly Republican, but there are a couple of closet liberal associates that immediately recognized and accepted me and did stuff like quietly inviting me into their offices for cheeky beers when the ACA ruling came down. And, when necessary, talked a lot of poo poo about the job and urinated in public, but not at the same time. Those things aren't by themselves important, but I think they were signifiers. I bet none of the ADAs ever pee on walls. I disliked about half of the other summers, but that's neither here nor there.
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"You can do these two Things." "There's nothing I can do?" Legal help hotline
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echopapa posted:"You can do these two I did not pay rent Have no money. Can I stay? No, you can't. Legal aid.
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Incredulous Red posted:No, you can't. Legal aid. 
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I was going to save pandas. Nope. gently caress white men. I hate everything.
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Seriously guys, enough with the lame haikus. Let's move on shall we.
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I don't want to have the last one. I don't even like them 
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God those are awful, I sincerely loathe all of you.
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A haiku contest? Garbage poetry inbound. That poo poo sucks you fag.
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Kalman posted:Where you'll get paid even less, assuming you can get a job that could have a meaningful impact on policy. And then realize that hahaha there is basically no chance you're going to get anything meaningful passed from your lowly position without browbeating the poo poo out of other people. Oh, and by the way, legislation on immigration policy that isn't horribly reactionary is completely unpassable right now, so have fun with that. Maybe I'm wrong. Hey! Look! Emory Intentionally Cheated on Rankings for More Than Ten Years. TaxProf Blog posted:Emory launched an investigation in May after John Latting, the new dean of admissions, discovered data discrepancies. The investigation found that Emory: 
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I am a doctor Thankful I am not in law Why do I read this?
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Speaking of doctors, we had one of the medical sort call us up in response to a subpoena and demand money. He literally said "anyone who's anyone around here says I should ask for money to show up in court" and went on about how he wasn't impressed by court and that he was an important professional who needed to be paid if we wanted to meet with him. After the laughter subsided, we had someone with a gruff voice call him back five minutes and he completely changed his tune, but a little part of me hopes he doesn't show up so that he can have an all expenses paid vacation in one of our fine county establishments. you really interned in the wrong DA's office, or you're just an odd person, I don't know. But at any rate, don't large firms basically treat your summer like a honeymoon, and then when they take you on as an actual lawyer they poo poo all over you? That sort of radical shift shouldn't occur in the DA's office, although maybe your DA's office is different in that sense, too. Agesilaus fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Aug 18, 2012 |
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J Miracle posted:all these poems suck because they are written by "people" with dead souls The Truest Post
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entris posted:God those are awful, I sincerely loathe all of you. -not concrete -not comparative -no season or nature -overstated emotion -no good reason for 13 vs. 17 syllables
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Sulecrist posted:Gotcha, okay. That's something that's really important to me. The people at the DA's office were nice, but I wouldn't really want to accidentally run into any of them at a supermarket or go to a ballgame on the weekend. The associates at the firm (and this office "only" has about fifty lawyers) tended to be people I could get pretty sauced with. The partners were cordial but overwhelmingly Republican, but there are a couple of closet liberal associates that immediately recognized and accepted me and did stuff like quietly inviting me into their offices for cheeky beers when the ACA ruling came down. And, when necessary, talked a lot of poo poo about the job and urinated in public, but not at the same time. Those things aren't by themselves important, but I think they were signifiers. I bet none of the ADAs ever pee on walls. This is why you should have gone PD. At my latest MCLE, we almost got kicked out of our facility for weed and booze. Agesilaus posted:Speaking of doctors, we had one of the medical sort call us up in response to a subpoena and demand money. He literally said "anyone who's anyone around here says I should ask for money to show up in court" and went on about how he wasn't impressed by court and that he was an important professional who needed to be paid if we wanted to meet with him. After the laughter subsided, we had someone with a gruff voice call him back five minutes and he completely changed his tune, but a little part of me hopes he doesn't show up so that he can have an all expenses paid vacation in one of our fine county establishments. If so does IL not have a huge amount of laws regarding that? In CA, if I subbed a doctor as an expert we'd be paying him a small fortune if we didn't have a fee agreement and/or have the judge kill me. nm fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Aug 18, 2012 |
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joat mon posted:-not concrete hey now. turds are both concrete, comparative, and of nature. Mine was at least well crafted 
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nm posted:Is he an expert witness?
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gvibes posted:If he is being subpoenaed, he is a fact witness. We subpoena experts here. Don't know what you guys do.
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nm posted:We subpoena experts here. Don't know what you guys do. e: But he is obviously not any party's retained expert here, or whatever party retained him would be paying the doctor to do whatever.
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gvibes posted:Come to think of that, I have seen that before (I am in Chicago but have never actually practiced in Illinois). yeh gvibes is right, he's being subpoenaed in because we want him to testify as an occurrence witness. Might send out some people to have him personally served; it's actually not my case but we all found it amusing.
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Mons Hubris posted:Welp just got a call from the General Assembly offering me my dream job. Seeya later Patent Office, I guess. Quit loving up this threads pessimism with happy endings. 
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gvibes posted:Come to think of that, I have seen that before (I am in Chicago but have never actually practiced in Illinois). After that, the blood test company demanded thousands per appearance. Lots of dismissed DUIs and drug cases ( they also did the drug tests). It was pretty cool. They did try to sub the experts in in some cases, but it didn't work out well.
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