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jivjov posted:I dunno, the theater I went to for Phantom Menace 3D was a full house and everyone there seemed pretty enthused about the whole thing. I know it's trendy to hate on the prequels, but I feel that they're really only bad in relation to the OT. I read several reviews where the theater was empty. Also: http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=starwars3d.htm I guess $43 million is ok, but it's 10% of the original. But the money is probably more in licensing really.
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The Phantom Menace isn't just bad in relation to the older movies. The Phantom Menace was a disaster by the most objective of standards. You can make more of a case for the other two being not as bad as people say. I'm not going to make the case, but it's a case that could be made.
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Aug 30, 2012 21:21
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The prequel trilogy's biggest crime is that it's boring.
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Aug 30, 2012 21:35
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The prequel trilogy's biggest crime is that it's boring. I've never been as embarrassed to be in a theater as I was when during the love picnic montage in Attack of the Clones. That was until the Darth Vader reveal scene in ROTS.
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Aug 30, 2012 21:48
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Jerk McJerkface posted:I've never been as embarrassed to be in a theater as I was when during the love picnic montage in Attack of the Clones. Runt's dead, by the way, you'll have to go with some other funny avatar. 
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Aug 30, 2012 21:57
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api call girl posted:Runt's dead, by the way, you'll have to go with some other funny avatar. Spoilers, mate.
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Aug 30, 2012 22:00
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Ursine Asylum posted:Spoilers, mate. It's background information. Don't care.
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Rogue1-and-a-half posted:The Phantom Menace isn't just bad in relation to the older movies. The Phantom Menace was a disaster by the most objective of standards. You can make more of a case for the other two being not as bad as people say. I'm not going to make the case, but it's a case that could be made. nope, TPM is objectively better than AOTC.
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computer parts posted:nope, TPM is objectively better than AOTC. This is true. AOTC is by far the worst of the series.
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So looking over some accounts of Celebration VI, apparently Ian McDiarmid actually read the Darth Plagueis novel? That's kind of cool, but I can only imagine how over his head all the EU references went.
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Aug 31, 2012 03:02
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jivjov posted:I dunno, the theater I went to for Phantom Menace 3D was a full house and everyone there seemed pretty enthused about the whole thing. I know it's trendy to hate on the prequels, but I feel that they're really only bad in relation to the OT. I feel the opposite. I think the only good points present in the prequels lie in their Star Warsiness, and that if you took them as independent films they would be so objectively godawful on every level of structure and craft they'd be mentioned in the same breath as Transformers.
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Aug 31, 2012 06:17
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Transformers are probably better Star Wars movies than the prequels. And are objectively better films.
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Aug 31, 2012 06:40
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api call girl posted:Runt's dead, by the way, you'll have to go with some other funny avatar. Jedi ghost horse?
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Jerk McJerkface posted:Jedi ghost horse? Holy poo poo.
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Aug 31, 2012 15:24
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api call girl posted:Holy poo poo. Maybe the caption should be "Ne-e-e-e-igh the force be with you."
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Aug 31, 2012 15:52
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I'm done with the Thrawn Trilogy and Jedi Prince , whats the next book I can expect to actually be interesting in some way? Truce at Bakura is not that book.
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Quad posted:I'm done with the Thrawn Trilogy and Go with the X-Wing series.
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Quad posted:I'm done with the Thrawn Trilogy and Darksaber.
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I just read the Han Solo trilogy that was mentioned a few pages back. It was very entertaining. I gave up on Star Wars books a long time ago (the last ones I have read in the chronology were the Zahn duology), but this was a fun throwback. The books are set before the movies so Han is just an awesome smuggler who only cares about his ship, his friend Chewie, and making credits. I recommended it to any fan.
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That's part of why I'm looking forward to Scoundrels (and because Zahn). Pre-ESB Han, Chewie, and Lando in Ocean's Eleven sounds pretty good to me.
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Suenteus Po posted:Darksaber. Don't listen to this poster. 
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Quad posted:I'm done with the Thrawn Trilogy and The Glove of Darth Vader.
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:Don't listen to this poster. Leaving aside the like of the Jedi Prince series, Darksaber is probably the EU book that can be most adequately described as being so bad it loops around and becomes good again. That "revenge of the one-armed wampa" scene remains one of the most flat-out bizarre things they've ever published.
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I second that opinion on the X-Wing series, I sort of enjoyed I, Jedi before it was pointed out to me what such a Gary Stu the main character is. Still good fun.omg chael crash posted:The Glove of Darth Vader. Which is part of the Jedi Prince series dude.
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taco_fox posted:I just read the Han Solo trilogy that was mentioned a few pages back. It was very entertaining. I gave up on Star Wars books a long time ago (the last ones I have read in the chronology were the Zahn duology), but this was a fun throwback. The books are set before the movies so Han is just an awesome smuggler who only cares about his ship, his friend Chewie, and making credits. I recommended it to any fan. Even though they had to shoehorn droid companions into those books, it still worked out alright because the droids were kinda smarmy dicks, just like Han. Blue Max reminded me of Wheatley from Portal 2.
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It's always cracked me up that there's a robot called "Bollux".
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I wish Random House Audio would go and do an unabridged and combined version of both Han Solo trilogies. Would probably amount to something like 40 hours, but it would be awesome. Of course I also wish Troy Denning would have a stroke, so I wish a lot of things.
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api call girl posted:Transformers are probably better Star Wars movies than the prequels. And are objectively better films. Transformers: Bark at the Moon is legitimately, hands-down, in the running for worst film ever made by human beings. And not for any "  my childhood" poo poo either, everything about that film is loving wrongAlso, Attack of the Clones is definitely the worst of the series. It's a cowboys-in-space sci-fi-actiony film whose only real action before the third act consists of Anakin bravely dueling a pair of space slugs.
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:Transformers: Bark at the Moon is legitimately, hands-down, in the running for worst film ever made by human beings. And not for any " On the other hand, the droid factory sequence.
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:Transformers: Bark at the Moon is legitimately, hands-down, in the running for worst film ever made by human beings. And not for any " I recall reading a long-rear end review of everything that was ever wrong with that movie, and it was really entertaining, but I can't find it anymore. Anyone have any idea where to look?
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Zoran posted:I recall reading a long-rear end review of everything that was ever wrong with that movie, and it was really entertaining, but I can't find it anymore. Anyone have any idea where to look? It was probably the Red Letter Media review.
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Well, on one hand you have ten-year old Darth Vader exclaiming, "Now this is pod-racing!" and, "Let's try spinning. That's a good trick!" and on the other you get twenty-year old Darth Vader acting like he's fourteen and creepy lines about sand. Honestly, I couldn't say which one I prefer, but at the same time, I kind of like the "machete order" which cuts out Episode I entirely.
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Metal Loaf posted:Well, on one hand you have ten-year old Darth Vader exclaiming, "Now this is pod-racing!" and, "Let's try spinning. That's a good trick!" and on the other you get twenty-year old Darth Vader acting like he's fourteen and creepy lines about sand. I like the machete order too. I could envision (I) the events of New Hope -> (II) Empire Strikes Back -> (III) flashback to (heavily revised) Clone Wars, Anakin as a real hero -> (IV) Anakin's fall -> (V) flash forward to victory of Rebellion (perhaps revised?) and Anakin's redemption making a really solid order for any future remake of the film series in fifty years or so.
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Here's the proper watching order of Star Wars: A New Hope -> Empire Strikes Back -> Return of the Jedi
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If you're going to do a remake of the all six movies, you could avoid the awkward Rebellion era/Clone Wars era cobbling by changing the reveal. Have Owen and Beru raise Luke under another surname (which makes sense if you're trying to hide him). That way, even knowing that Anakin Skywalker is Darth Vader, you still don't suspect Luke Moisturefarmer is his son. You could even have Kenobi raise him directly, training him as a full-fledged Jedi with the intent of overthrowing Vader/Palpatine while deceiving him about his past. Then the reveal would really send Luke reeling and make him doubt his whole life. Or, we can just leave the wonderful OT as is and forget about the awful prequels. As long as someone made a solid trilogy about the Clone Wars that was fun, no one would care about smashing the view order together. Every time I read about someone trying to do that, it seems like they're trying to make poo poo palatable by spreading it between pastrami. The pastrami sandwich was awesome and you're ruining it. Mmmmmm...pastrami.
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api call girl posted:Here's the proper watching order of Star Wars: Yeah, yeah, but we're working within the established framework here. And I don't think the general story arc of the prequels was horrible in itself, it was just done extremely poorly with godawful writing, nonsensical plotting, and generally terrible execution (insert Attack of the Clones arena joke).
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So the writing, plot, and actual realization of said writing and plot were all bad, but the story was good? The concept of clone wars (especially earlier versions-e.g., leaders replaced by clones and chaos ensuing when multiple clone armies are raised by various factions) and two badass Jedi friends blazing their way across the galaxy before one has a tragic fall is really cool. It's a stretch to say that's the story that I saw in the prequels.
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Derek Dominoe posted:The concept of clone wars (especially earlier versions-e.g., leaders replaced by clones and chaos ensuing when multiple clone armies are raised by various factions) and two badass Jedi friends blazing their way across the galaxy before one has a tragic fall is really cool. It's a stretch to say that's the story that I saw in the prequels. Yeah, absolutely. I was never into the role-playing games, but I've heard a planned campaign from the late-1990s (which was supposedly nixed by the higher-ups) would have involved the return of a long-missing evil geneticist who had supposedly used his knowledge of cloning to orchestrate the Clone War in the first place. That kind of thing might have been more interesting. In retrospect, one of the interesting aspects of the Expanded Universe material published before 1999 for me is getting to see what all of the authors thought happened before the films were released.
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Metal Loaf posted:Yeah, absolutely. I was never into the role-playing games, but I've heard a planned campaign from the late-1990s (which was supposedly nixed by the higher-ups) would have involved the return of a long-missing evil geneticist who had supposedly used his knowledge of cloning to orchestrate the Clone War in the first place. That kind of thing might have been more interesting. This was actually Kenner's idea for a new toy line to try to continue encouraging merchandise after ROTJ came out. Kind of surprised Lucas nixed the chance to promote new toy sales.
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I've been going through and buying all the Tales from... books. I read them when I was younger, and they are definitely overall my favorite EU stuff. Of course, I love the X-Wing series, too, just like everyone, and I thought the Yuuzhan Vong stuff was sweet when I was like twelve. I just love Jabba's Palace and Mos Eisley Cantina for the whole aspect of "Hey, look at that weird dude you saw for 0.5 seconds in the background. He has a story too." The stories are generally quite well-written as well, with the exception of Empire. I never get tired of the absurdity of "No Disintegrations, Please" from New Republic.
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