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I'm not sure that Andrew Hussie understands that people don't (or shouldn't) throw their money at a game without any discussed features on a schedule that is less than reliable*. *It is planned to have work begin in earnest after Homestuck is done. Homestuck, even its individual updates, is notorious for being months delayed or extended or whatnot. If Hussie says it will be done by 2014, expect it rushed in 2015 with crashing servers along the way.
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You guys are forgetting the most important constant: Homestuck fans are loving insane. That's a discussion for another time, though.
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Sep 4, 2012 23:58
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Homestuck is the only Kickstarter that could make that much money and literally not explain or show any element of the game whatsoever.
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Sep 5, 2012 00:08
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Robotnik DDS posted:Homestuck is the only Kickstarter that could make that much money and literally not explain or show any element of the game whatsoever. Ponies.
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Sep 5, 2012 00:19
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There was that pathfinder thing a while back that was literally nothing but references to older work.
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Sep 5, 2012 00:22
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StevenM posted:Ponies. Ponies is the only Kickstarter that could make Kickstarter's server just put a gun up to its mainframe and splatter its bandwidth all over the wall.
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Sep 5, 2012 00:26
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Apparently NPR radio program "All Things Considered" raised some hubbub regarding the fate of failed Kickstarter projects and the obligations of those behind those projects towards the donators. Kickstarter responded with a (much needed) clarification of their terms.quote:Accountability on Kickstarter The part about the creators' legal obligation to fullfill their promise or refund the payment is news to me.
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Sep 5, 2012 00:35
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Although I've been extremely, extremely dissatisfied with this act on account of it not being...very good, Homestuck has been enjoyable enough to me that I'll end up donating to this ks.
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Sep 5, 2012 01:50
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You can't really complain about the Penny Arcade one then donate to this one - they're both incredibly stupid, empty kickstarters.
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Sep 5, 2012 01:52
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Rinkles posted:Apparently NPR radio program "All Things Considered" raised some hubbub regarding the fate of failed Kickstarter projects and the obligations of those behind those projects towards the donators. Kickstarter responded with a (much needed) clarification of their terms. I'm pretty sure I saw that when I was reading the legal mumbo jumbo on the kickstarter site a few weeks back, but the thing is that you'd probably need to sue to get the money back most of the time, and for a 25 buck reward it's just not worth it. If a project fails, and the guys making it don't issue refunds for folks, I'm betting that only a handful of people would sue.
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Sep 5, 2012 02:01
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I AM THE LAW posted:You can't really complain about the Penny Arcade one then donate to this one - they're both incredibly stupid, empty kickstarters. Nah, one promised to remove ads...that's it, and the other promises an admittedly incredibly vague, extremely unclear product from a guy who has a history of delivering the products he promises, who's a workaholic, and whose products are usually pretty quality. Also, isn't a horrible piece of poo poo who I would feel bad about financially supporting. I mean yeah they're both stupid but at least this one promises a theoretical (in addition to actual, physical) product and tonally fits with KS' aims. They're two different things. I mean I'm not urging anyone to back, because it's definitely not for everyone and there's more than enough reason to not, but it's really not similar at all to the PA ks.
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Sep 5, 2012 02:41
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Yeah, ponies are the only other users that I can think of who have more users with related avatars than Homestuck. Seems like it should be no problem for them to make that amount of money in a short amount of time. I don't know anything about Homestuck other than I don't understand it. Nothing in that video meant anything to me so I guess they aren't targeting the non-fans and know they can milk the die-hards. Overemotional Robot fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Sep 5, 2012 |
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Sep 5, 2012 03:12
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I don't think I've seen this mentioned yet, so if you're interested in Expeditions: Conquistador, but not enough to donate, then hopefully the overland gameplay video below will sway you: Overland gameplay trailer And for those of you who missed them, the combat videos: Combat, Part 1 (Daylight combat and basic tactics) Combat, Part 2(Night-time combat, Part 1) Combat, Part 3(Night-time combat, part 2) Here's Rock Paper Shotgun's (fairly positive) take on it. A choice quote: Rock Paper Shotgun posted:Although it’s a fairly attractive turn-based tactical game already, the polish is all in the writing. I was genuinely surprised by how much I became invested in the characters and plotlines and it’s not just because the setting is impressively captured and less well-trodden than elven forests and dwarven mines. There’s a willingness to engage with the conflicts of the time and place, particularly the struggle between the strictures of faith and culture, and the freedom of being far from the watching eye of court and crown. This plays out in branching dialogues and missions that allow the player to define their own character as well as that of their followers. And once you're done, go here: Expeditions: Conquistador Kickstarter page and give them your money. Seriously, it's shaping up to be something really nice  EDIT: There's even a Steam Greenlight page for it! CommissarMega fucked around with this message at 09:41 on Sep 5, 2012 |
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Sep 5, 2012 09:34
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Robotnik DDS posted:Homestuck is the only Kickstarter that could make that much money and literally not explain or show any element of the game whatsoever. Double Fine did even less, since they didn't even provide a context for their game of what to expect, beyond 'adventure game.' That's why I find the comparison interesting, since just like Double Fine, this is getting a huge burst of pledging just from the celebrity status and pedigrees of the designers.
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MrBims posted:Double Fine did even less, since they didn't even provide a context for their game of what to expect, beyond 'adventure game.' That's why I find the comparison interesting, since just like Double Fine, this is getting a huge burst of pledging just from the celebrity status and pedigrees of the designers.  Homestuck... well, even if you know what Homestuck is all about, you have literally no clue what could possibly come out of anything ever.  But I doubt anyone had any doubts about the power of rabid internet fanbases. My only question is where the hell do people even get this money, in just one day there's already way more high-tier backers than Double Fine ever had.
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SupSuper posted:My only question is where the hell do people even get this money, in just one day there's already way more high-tier backers than Double Fine ever had. What are you referring to here? Double Fine sold out the $10,000, $5,000, and $1,000 tiers. So far there's been two people taking the $5,000 Homestuck one.
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Regy Rusty posted:What are you referring to here? Double Fine sold out the $10,000, $5,000, and $1,000 tiers. So far there's been two people taking the $5,000 Homestuck one. Did they sell out in the first day? Homestuck has only been up 21 hours. Though I want to believe that no one will pay $10k for their fantroll to show up for a single panel and die.
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Regy Rusty posted:What are you referring to here? Double Fine sold out the $10,000, $5,000, and $1,000 tiers. So far there's been two people taking the $5,000 Homestuck one.
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Rinkles posted:Apparently NPR radio program "All Things Considered" raised some hubbub regarding the fate of failed Kickstarter projects and the obligations of those behind those projects towards the donators. Kickstarter responded with a (much needed) clarification of their terms. No, there's a distinction you may be missing. They are only legally obligated to fulfill their backer reward tiers. If one or more of those tiers involves shipping the completed product, then yes, they are legally obligated to finish it and ship it. Most projects will be caught by this one, but some projects do no offer the actual product as a reward tier.
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Sep 5, 2012 16:35
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http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1965800643/solforge-digital-trading-card-game - SolForge is slowly churning its way through the last week, and has a deal going on now for backers at the $25 and $100 levels until tonight.quote:Free Starter Deck! I actually ended up bumping my pledge up for this, I was able to take a look at it at PAX and was fairly impressed, although I'm still mildly irritated by Garfield's insistence on the 5x2 playing field. The basic game looks pretty interesting, and the fact that this plays a bit like Spectromancer but with better art and hopefully deckbuilding makes me happy. Also, like Spectromancer, I believe they're going to have a single player campaign, which is something I really miss in card games. (YOU HEAR ME WOTC? GIVE US SHANDALAR 2012 YOU JERKS)
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octoroon posted:No, there's a distinction you may be missing. They are only legally obligated to fulfill their backer reward tiers. If one or more of those tiers involves shipping the completed product, then yes, they are legally obligated to finish it and ship it. Most projects will be caught by this one, but some projects do no offer the actual product as a reward tier. The thing is, I feel like Kickstarter is actually muddying the waters further by conflating their terms of use with a legal agreement between funder and fundee. quote:Is a creator legally obligated to fulfill the promises of their project? Which is really only a half truth. Of course you can complain or demand a refund or even initiate a lawsuit, but you've always been able to do that. But Kickstarter itself has no enforcement power, and the terms of use aren't between the backer and the company, but between Kickstarter and the company. Although that paragraph says "We crafted these terms to create a legal requirement for creators to follow through on their projects, and to give backers a recourse if they don't" what they're really saying is "we have written our agreements in such a way that we don't have any legal responsibility for them."
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Sep 5, 2012 16:51
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Al! posted:The thing is, I feel like Kickstarter is actually muddying the waters further by conflating their terms of use with a legal agreement between funder and fundee. See, I actually agree with them though when it comes to the issues they point out for reasons they don't personally guarantee this - I think it's a valid point that they should just be there to facilitate the funding and not guarantee anything. If someone runs off with the money, it should be up to the backers to go after them for it.
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Falcon2001 posted:See, I actually agree with them though when it comes to the issues they point out for reasons they don't personally guarantee this - I think it's a valid point that they should just be there to facilitate the funding and not guarantee anything. If someone runs off with the money, it should be up to the backers to go after them for it. I agree with them too, there's no way they should be responsible or else nobody would ever be able to do crowdfunding through a third party. But I feel like they're deliberately trying to confuse dumb people like the Ouya backers who think "well, if it doesn't pan out, Kickstarter told me I could ask for a refund and they'll have to give me one because of laws."
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Al! posted:I agree with them too, there's no way they should be responsible or else nobody would ever be able to do crowdfunding through a third party. But I feel like they're deliberately trying to confuse dumb people like the Ouya backers who think "well, if it doesn't pan out, Kickstarter told me I could ask for a refund and they'll have to give me one because of laws." Sure, I'll agree with that. Maybe not deliberately, but I'd be in favor of them having much more concrete terms and conditions that made it clear what their role is. I assume they feel they're already there, but it really should be clearer.
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More ups and downs for Kontrabida. Snippets of music, backstory, minigames, a TV spot (found it) and art, buuuuut the guy doing the art has left. Not for anything exciting as far as my cursory searching could find; with a name like that he'd be hard to miss. It's silly, I'm not interested in the Ouya myself but I can't help but hope it works out just because these dorks seem so excited.
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Sep 5, 2012 18:17
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What's so special about this HomeStruck? Broken Sword's stretch goals are pretty cool... I hope it hits the million mark.
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Sep 5, 2012 18:19
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Dragonrah posted:What's so special about this Homestuck? You either love it or you don't.
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Sep 5, 2012 18:30
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It was pretty good until it became about billion-page chatlogs and the author trolling his reprehensible fans.
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Sep 5, 2012 18:33
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No, I meant like is there some nastalgia thing going that caused the funding to skyrocket or do people just love the concept. I didn't see anything, but to be fair I only skimmed the Kickstarter.
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Homesetuck is kinda wierd and fun but Im not going to throw money at him when it seems like he doesnt even know what the game will be himself. e: Dragonrah posted:No, I meant like is there some nastalgia thing going that caused the funding to skyrocket or do people just love the concept. I didn't see anything, but to be fair I only skimmed the Kickstarter. Its an ongoing, fairly popular webcomic with a very vocal and insane fanbase. KoB fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Sep 5, 2012 |
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Sep 5, 2012 18:38
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Dragonrah posted:No, I meant like is there some nastalgia thing going that caused the funding to skyrocket or do people just love the concept. I didn't see anything, but to be fair I only skimmed the Kickstarter. People are loving obsessed with it. Andrew Hussie can churn out neat Flash animations like crazy but has a complete inability to tell a coherent story and yet for some reason his fans go loving ape poo poo over trolls powering up or reading giant chatlogs or whatever the gently caress is going on with that story. I thought his previous work started out strong but then it too went off the rails completely and I really don't understand the rabid fanbase he's amassed. e: basically it has a following akin to My Little Pony and there are people willing to throw gobs of money at it for no particular reason other than they can't get enough of whatever is compelling about it
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Yodzilla posted:People are loving obsessed with it. Andrew Hussie can churn out neat Flash animations like crazy but has a complete inability to tell a coherent story and yet for some reason his fans go loving ape poo poo over trolls powering up or reading giant chatlogs or whatever the gently caress is going on with that story. I thought his previous work started out strong but then it too went off the rails completely and I really don't understand the rabid fanbase he's amassed. It's DBZ for redditors.
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That's a pretty good description actually.
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Sep 5, 2012 18:41
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Dragonrah posted:Broken Sword's stretch goals are pretty cool... I hope it hits the million mark. This went kinda unnoticed, but the $1m stretch goal is a green light for Beneath a Steel Sky 2. You can play the first one here for free: http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/beneath_a_steel_sky Play it if you like adventure games! Throw money at Revolution if you like adventure games! Edit: Poor grammar. GrandpaPants fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Sep 5, 2012 |
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Sep 5, 2012 18:48
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GrandpaPants posted:This went kinda unnoticed, but the $1m stretch goal is a green light for Beneath a Steel Sky 2, which you can play for free here: http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/beneath_a_steel_sky Oh man, I never realised that BaSS was by these guys. Why have you been making sequels for Gabriel Knight-lite instead of this? 
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Overemotional Robot posted:Yeah, ponies are the only other users that I can think of who have more users with related avatars than Homestuck. Seems like it should be no problem for them to make that amount of money in a short amount of time. Hasbro has been remarkably ... I don't know, open? To the fans thus far, but I'm willing to bet that a Kickstarter using any of their IPs would bring a legal hammer down in short order. If only because they're planning to sell their own games based on the IP and will brook no one butting in on their territory. The same would be true for any of their franchises. Think of it in terms of someone starting a Kickstarter for a Transformers video game and the same would be true.
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GrandpaPants posted:This went kinda unnoticed, but the $1m stretch goal is a green light for Beneath a Steel Sky 2, which you can play for free here: http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/beneath_a_steel_sky Motherfucker. Sold. edit: Thinking about it, that's some pretty meta/tenuous Kickstarting logic. Pledge money to a game that doesn't exist and you have to just hope is good, in order to kickstart a game that exists even less that you hope will be good several years from now. Ehh. Motherfucker. Sold. Fwoderwick fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Sep 5, 2012 |
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Sep 5, 2012 19:56
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Wait for it, I am about to go to an amazing place-- Homestuck seems kind of like the Insane Clown Posse of Internet web comics. Clearly creativity and decent production quality goes into it, and the people involved are aware that their fans are perceived as idiots, and because of/despite of that continue to ratchet things up to play to that idea. The only question is when Gathering of the Juggatrolls will happen, I guess.
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Yodzilla posted:That's a pretty good description actually. It really isn't. The webcomic is an incomprehensible mess at times and this act is particularly poor in the sense of it being an incredibly slow-paced, dull mess revolving around revolting characters and dull dialog but it's really not anything like DBZ. A more apt analogy would be video game webcomic ASOIAF, with pretty much all the bad parts of ASOIAF (pacing issues, a glut of characters, many of which are awful, (more recently) really creepy bullshit, terrible fanbase) as well as most of the good ones.
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Occupation posted:an incredibly slow-paced, dull mess revolving around revolting characters and dull dialog but it's really not anything like DBZ. Sounds exactly like Dragonball Z to me.
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