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nm posted:This happened, but it was in no way as cut and dry as you suggest. Rather the thief swung a bag with several radios weighing 4-6 lbs at the man's head. There was testimony where "medical examiner conceded that a 4-6 pound bag of metal being swung at one’s head would lead to serious bodily injury or death." I think that the objectionable thing here is less that the guy defended himself agaist someone trying to hit him with a heavy sack and more that the guy actually started chasing down the thief, and thus he was part of escalating the situation.
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miscellaneous14 posted:I wasn't sure if there's a thread more pertaining to crime and societal treatment of criminals in the first place (please let me know if there is one and I'll move this there), but I have a problem: an extremely right-wing old friend was going off about a news story concerning someone getting arrested for shooting a robber, and I commented on how lacking in morality you'd have to be to murder or attempt to murder someone just for taking physical objects from you. This is certainly not the thread for this, but I'll just say that self-defense, or defense of property is not meant to be a punitive measure, but a preventative one. Not necessarily as a deterrent, but as literally preventing loss of property/life on the victims part.
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Down Right Fierce posted:Yeah, once you cross the things > human life line, it's tough to convince them to come back. It's a tough sell because it's not purely about the 34 dollars or even the injury; it's about the loss of control (or, if you want to get pedantic, the loss of illusion of control) that your friend experienced. Nobody wants to be told that they may be forced to accept that someone else has illegitimate* control over what happens to them and their belongings, that they are at the mercy of someone who is at that moment taking from them or harming them against their will, especially when they perceive (however erroneously) that there might have been a means for them to stop it. *(Where people differ on this is on whom they consider to have legitimate authority, and some people would argue that nobody really does, but that is beyond the scope of this discussion.) While some people might be purely "my dollars are worth more than a human being", I think a lot of people aren't really motivated as such.
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People are traumatized after a robbery and say and do some really stupid poo poo. That's why they should get professional help after being a victim of such crimes.
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Orange Devil posted:People are traumatized after a robbery and say and do some really stupid poo poo. That's why they should get professional help after being a victim of such crimes. That's $300/hr, it would be like getting robbed twice.
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baquerd posted:That's $300/hr, it would be like getting robbed twice. Free here in the Netherlands, because we don't want people remaining traumatized after becoming victims of a crime.
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Cerebral Bore posted:I think that the objectionable thing here is less that the guy defended himself agaist someone trying to hit him with a heavy sack and more that the guy actually started chasing down the thief, and thus he was part of escalating the situation.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And yet: quote:All the thief had on him was a bag with a radio in it Cerebral Bore posted:I think that the objectionable thing here is less that the guy defended himself agaist someone trying to hit him with a heavy sack and more that the guy actually started chasing down the thief, and thus he was part of escalating the situation. Maybe it is just being a defense attorney, but it worries me when people talk about lowering the burden on the state to put you in prison. (SYG did not do that, it changed the elements, which is different -- a lot of people wanted to make self-defense an affirmative defense again). I think we're going a bit off topic though.
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JoeyJoJoJr Shabadoo posted:I don't know where else to complain about this. I've watched cops since the 80s, and in the 80s/90s, the cops were all really nice (generally) and wanted to help people. In every single episode that I've watched in the past 5 years or so, they seem to be arresting innocent people, and abusing them for absolutely no reason. E.g. guy gets pulled over (is obviously of color), cops throw him out of the car, "find" drugs, he "is" a felon, he goes to jail without trial, cops say "he has no civil rights because he's a felon." I've watched Law and Order SVU the past decade or so and I noticed that Detective Benson was nicer when her hair was longer... Now that she has shorter hair she's meaner. Sorry, but come on. Watching Cops on TV and then using it as selective evidence of police conduct is idiotic at best.
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TV shows about police conduct are not themselves evidence of systemic police misconduct. They are, however, very clear evidence of the kind of police conduct people are willing to accept.
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"Girls Gone Wild" demonstrates that all society wants girls to act trampy and show off their boobs. If you have a problem with Cops it should be how it portrays their jobs. Half the show should be stolen bike reports and loud noise complaints, not a car chase and tasering the bad guy. It gives the public the idea that everyone the cops deal with is bad. They generally show the less than 1% of citizen contacts (that result in said tasering and arrest) that make for interesting tv. Dingleberry fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Sep 7, 2012 |
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Dingleberry posted:"Girls Gone Wild" demonstrates that all society wants girls to act trampy and show off their boobs. Yes? Like, it's obvious by the way you phrased this that it's intended to be sarcastic, but what you're saying is true. In a society where nobody wanted random (attractive) girls to show off their boobs, "Girls Gone Wild" would not be a popular video series.
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Dingleberry posted:I've watched Law and Order SVU the past decade or so and I noticed that Detective Benson was nicer when her hair was longer... Now that she has shorter hair she's meaner. I've definitely seen some pretty clear civil rights violations on Cops and they clearly know they're being videotaped. Actually, Cops is great for showing how the police get you to waive their rights. Every time I see a consent search or someone waiving Miranda and confessing I start screaming at the TV.
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There's an ask/tell thread from a prison guard in Texas. Someone's already been probated for threadshitting, so don't go there looking to pick a fight. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3504908
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nm posted:Cops is a much better representation of law enforcement than any of the L&O series and the like. You pretty much see most interactions except the most egregious. For me, to watch "Cops" from a European perspective it's pretty shocking. I tell myself (rightly or wrongly) that "And this is the "good" bits that gets aired." I mean there are bad cops (and good) everywhere, but holy poo poo US police seem overly aggressive. This thread is extremely depressing. The OP just makes me so horrified. I mean it's not like I didn't know about it, but reading more stories / statistics keeps piling on the horror.
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MrOnBicycle posted:For me, to watch "Cops" from a European perspective it's pretty shocking. I tell myself (rightly or wrongly) that "And this is the "good" bits that gets aired." I mean there are bad cops (and good) everywhere, but holy poo poo US police seem overly aggressive. The US police are better-equipped than the armies of many countries. Just looking at police equipment gives one a pretty terrifying impression of the mentality with which our law enforcers approach their jobs.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:The US police are better-equipped than the armies of many countries. Just looking at police equipment gives one a pretty terrifying impression of the mentality with which our law enforcers approach their jobs. The NYPD is a handful of obsolete Soviet tanks from being sufficient to knock over a small nation.
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UberJew posted:The NYPD is a handful of obsolete Soviet tanks from being sufficient to knock over a small nation. Don't they have APCs?
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Baracula posted:Don't they have APCs? The stuff they use is likely BRDM equivalent in armour and mobility. Even if you ignore the fact they don't have a 14.5mm gun stuck on top, they are a far cry from a T62 or a T72.
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I'm pretty sure the US military will start handing out M60 Pattons if the need ever arose, they're still in storage IIRC.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:It's a tough sell because it's not purely about the 34 dollars or even the injury; it's about the loss of control (or, if you want to get pedantic, the loss of illusion of control) that your friend experienced. Nobody wants to be told that they may be forced to accept that someone else has illegitimate* control over what happens to them and their belongings, that they are at the mercy of someone who is at that moment taking from them or harming them against their will, especially when they perceive (however erroneously) that there might have been a means for them to stop it. Absolutely spot on. Anything that threatens to shift the locus of control from you to someone or something else represents an existential threat to an awful lot of people.
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One can only hope! Votes to legalize #marijuana in two states caused Corrections Corporation of America (NYSE: #CXW) stock to drop 3.7%: 
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No it didn't: This is what happens after elections.
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Ugh I hope this doesn't come off as me being a prick who hasn't read the thread. I'm writing a research paper on the growth of the prison-industrial complex and the effects it's had on both society at large and on the inmates themselves. I've touched on the increasing severity of sentences, the fiscal consequences, the reduction in educational opportunities for inmates, disenfranchisement, violence/rape on the inside, and of course the racial disparities. I'd like to expand on any or all of these and/or add anything I've forgotten. Anyone want to point me toward some articles or papers?
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You should really read the thread if you are interested in those things.
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Angiepants posted:Ugh I hope this doesn't come off as me being a prick who hasn't read the thread. I'm writing a research paper on the growth of the prison-industrial complex and the effects it's had on both society at large and on the inmates themselves. I've touched on the increasing severity of sentences, the fiscal consequences, the reduction in educational opportunities for inmates, disenfranchisement, violence/rape on the inside, and of course the racial disparities. I'd like to expand on any or all of these and/or add anything I've forgotten. Anyone want to point me toward some articles or papers? Look through the first page for lots of links to primary sources and blogs about the PIC.
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Don't forget to look at the LF thread, and to google "hidingfromgoro," as he's written a lot of stuff elsewhere, and I'm not sure all of it is linked here.
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Audible (the audiobook subsidiary of Amazon) has The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness for $4.95, until the end of tomorrow night. I recommend it to anyone and everyone, who's followed this thread.
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quote:Corrections Corporation of America Used in Drug Sweeps of Public School Students Probably won't be the last time these kids get screwed over by the CCA.
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God what the gently caress is wrong with the Tucson school district?
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Holy Christ, that's horrible.quote:According to Anderson, three students were arrested as a result of the October 31 Vista Grande raid: two female students, ages 15 and 17, as well as one 15-year-old male. According to Anderson, the 15-year-old female was found in possession of .10 grams of marijuana; the 15-year-old male student was found in possession of .50 grams of marijuana; and the 17-year-old female was found in possession of 10 ounces of marijuana. According to Anderson, this last quantity was "individually packaged." It drives me crazy that the law seems to assume that .1 gram of weed will ruin a child's mind/life, but expelling them from school will not.
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Murmur Twin posted:Holy Christ, that's horrible. Wow! 10 oz of "individually packaged" pot? That girl's a serious player. Why on Earth would she have that much at school?
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anonumos posted:Wow! 10 oz of "individually packaged" pot? That girl's a serious player. Why on Earth would she have that much at school? I think they mean it was split up into smaller bags, as in she's going to get charged with dealing. To me the big what the gently caress of 0.10 grams... that's like a pencil eraser sized amount, how did they let themselves get caught.
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baquerd posted:I think they mean it was split up into smaller bags, as in she's going to get charged with dealing. I understand the individually packaged bit. But 10oz is a lot.
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anonumos posted:I understand the individually packaged bit. But 10oz is a lot.
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Yes it would. That's a few thousand dollars worth of pot, jeez. I would've killed to know a girl like that when I was 17.Mister Macys posted:Audible (the audiobook subsidiary of Amazon) has The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness for $4.95, until the end of tomorrow night. This was a great read and I really recommend it to anyone who's interested in this stuff. On the flip side it will make it difficult to look at anything anywhere ever and not see racism.
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Im That One Guy posted:Would that much pot even fit in a normal school backpack? It's a lot, especially for a schoolkid, but it's not a LOT. It seems pretty clear that she sold the stuff, but we're talking about a quantity that would easily fit in a gallon size ziplock.
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Some eedjit posted a pro-Arpaio thing on Facebook. I've debated with her before and I suspect she just doesn't know the real story. For the lazy, is there an Arpaio-bomb or equivalent anywhere that I can send to her to let her know that the dude's a colossal shitheel and no, we shouldn't model all jails everywhere after his operation?
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