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teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

I literally have no expectations except for Dead Stars. I don't even mind that it wasn't played ... just seemed odd.

I really like their entire catalogue from Dreams of a Cryotank through to Northern Light; I just get a little selective with their tracks after that point.

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Mar 8, 2010



I dunno, from what I've read (still need to see them live myself :qq:) Covenant seems to switch their sets around a bit all the time, which I think is super cool. Definitely better than some bands that just run the same drat setlist for years.

In other news, it was about loving time

MUFFlNS
Mar 7, 2004

Does anybody have any recommendations for bands similar to Ministry in the 90s? I'm referring to the albums Psalm 69, Filth Pig and The Dark Side Of The Spoon to be precise. To give a better idea of the style I love, here's a few songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wWwBJESW2g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-nULlfJDvk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acJABWTm7ig

I particularly love Al's garbled/underwater sounding vocals, which I've never come across with any other band before, and I'm not sure how easy it is to discover anything similar to Al Jourgensen on a ten year heroin binge but figured it's worth asking at least?

Konstruct
Jul 22, 2007

I'm Going To Spread Saikyo All Over The World!!

MUFFlNS posted:

Does anybody have any recommendations for bands similar to Ministry in the 90s? I'm referring to the albums Psalm 69, Filth Pig and The Dark Side Of The Spoon to be precise. To give a better idea of the style I love, here's a few songs

I particularly love Al's garbled/underwater sounding vocals, which I've never come across with any other band before, and I'm not sure how easy it is to discover anything similar to Al Jourgensen on a ten year heroin binge but figured it's worth asking at least?

Check out Pigface, Pig, Leaether Strip, Pop Will Eat Itself, and Revolting Cocks. Uncle Al has been involved in a poo poo ton of projects and there's a crew of musicians that played/toured together often that have a similar sound but definitely not identical.

PIG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjG4brhkllw

RevCo (I actually loved the new lineup)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4HCkRgCU9g

Pop Will Eat Itself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76wSk1j02_4

boo_radley
Dec 30, 2005

Politeness costs nothing
speaking of Covenant... :catstare:

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

That was their Facebook birthday greeting to Joakim. I've now seen them three times with three different line-ups heh.

Danger - Octopus!
Apr 20, 2008


Nap Ghost
I had a good time at InFest. A very, very drunk time to be honest.

The main problem with the festival this year, and it was a pretty big one, was that it obviously hadn't sold well at all. There seemed to be about half the amount of people there that I'd have expected on Friday and Saturday, and it was still far quieter than normal on Saturday. This doesn't bode well for the future I guess, which is a shame since much as I enjoyed Resistanz earlier in the year, Infest has a pretty diverse lineup which usually has a lot of appeal and some aspects of it appeal more than Resistanz did. Dunno if it was because of the whole KMDFM pulling out thing, or general scene issues due to there now being Resistanz as well or somesuch.

Anyway, I could talk about the bands that I had already expected to be good, but I'd rather talk about the ones I hadn't heard of (aside from mentioning that A Split Second were amazing and apparently they're trying to get some of the impossible to find old stuff re-released)

Resist were a somewhat late 90s-sounding (in a good way) guitar+synth female fronted industrial act that I'd never heard of before but thought were great.

Tenek were a total surprise to me - one of my friends had heard of them, but I hadn't (apparently they used to be The Nine?) and they turned out to be this awesome synthpop band who had a sort of Heaven 17 turned up to eleven vibe at times.

Blitzmaschine were straight up German EBM (in the sense of Nitzer Ebb, Spetsnaz etc rather then EBM as a wider term) with a really lively singer who seemed like a pretty cool guy. They weren't doing anything new or inventive with the genre, but were one of the better bands of that ilk that I've seen live.

I really wasn't expecting to have got really into the first three bands on the Sunday afternoon, but by the time Blitzmaschine finished I was already knackered!

Babby Sathanas
May 16, 2006

bearbating is now adorable
Yep, it was loving empty. Really strange, I'll agree that it felt like half the normal number of people showed up. Winterkaelte stole the show for me though. I am a noise addict.

My mum had a really good time, I thought she would like the 80s synth sounding bands most like Spacebuoy, but nope, turns out she liked the noise bands most. Guess I raised her well.

Anyway, I've said it before and I'll say it again, Resistanz is a much better event as Infest currently stands.
I don't think it's "scene" issues as such, more people seem to attend Resistanz than did Infest 2012. IMO, it's mostly that the line up was a little subpar. I think the KMFDM pull out definitely hurt them a lot.

I think that, money being how it is right now, people may have had to chose between Infest and Resistanz, the line up being what it was it's no surprise that Resistanz would have won out. (Also Bradford continues to be a hateful place.)

I'm clearly in the wrong country anyway, the best music event in the world for me (line-up wise) as far as I'm concerned is Maschinenfest.

Babby Sathanas fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Aug 27, 2012

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
I'd be lying if I said one of the reasons I'm trying to find a better job isn't to be able to afford to go to Kinetik.

Jose Mengelez
Sep 11, 2001

by Azathoth
Yeah I skipped infest this year, oops. Headliner pullout and sparse lineup pretty much being the deciding factors.

Danger - Octopus!
Apr 20, 2008


Nap Ghost

Furret Basket posted:

Anyway, I've said it before and I'll say it again, Resistanz is a much better event as Infest currently stands.

The Resistanz venue didn't seem as good as the Infest one for socialising though (particularly later in the evening, unless you liked basically being outside), and the DJs after the bands didn't seem as popular as it (usually) is at Infest.

I mean, I'm going to Resistanz next year regardless, but I'd be happiest with a somewhat broader lineup than last year that covers from the synthpop end of things through futurepop and EBM all the way to rhythmic noise type stuff.

I certainly won't disagree about Bradford as a place sucking though. It really does. But one (or two!) festivals somewhere that aren't mainland Europe or (thank god!) London is awesome anyway.

Pope Guilty posted:

I'd be lying if I said one of the reasons I'm trying to find a better job isn't to be able to afford to go to Kinetik.

I can afford to go to Kinetik, but none of my friends can and I don't want to go to Canada alone obv :smith:

Edit: I'm hoping for Funker Vogt at Resistanz in 2013, personally.

Edit 2: Enough festival whining from me, here's a pretty good Ivardensphere track

http://youtu.be/u0BYuRbwQfM

Danger - Octopus! fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Aug 30, 2012

Ivan Shitskin
Nov 29, 2002

I went to Kinetik this year. My brother and myself had been planning on a trip up to Montreal for a few months, and the weekend just happened to coincide with our schedules. So why not pop in for a night?

That is, we only went for the "electro" night on Sunday. So the notable bands we saw: Blutengel, S.P.O.C.K and SITD. We didn't have it in us to spend all weekend at the gothic-industrial festival, I'm afraid to say. Kinda wanted to get out and do other things in the city. And considering we have absolutely no connection to any kind of "scene" culture or anyone in it, hanging around wasn't much of a priority.

That said, there were a few notable things. One, watching the guys from Hocico at the back of the hall singing along to S.P.O.C.K's "Dr. McCoy." SITD were incredible, and I'm more looking forward to seeing them open for Icon of Coil later this year than the headliner.

Blutengel are hilarious and extremely entertaining. My feeling is that if you're going to take a ludicrous concept like vampire romance, then you should take it as far as you can possibly go. Also, the girl on the balcony shaking a strand of garlic at the stage and Chris Pohl -- completely in character -- grimacing at her. loving hilarious.

And going out for a slice of pizza across the street before SITD and having a line of riot police a few hundred feet away. Then nearly getting clocked by a thrown bottle a few minutes after that. And seeing a tear gas grenade explode further up the street. Montreal really fits a kind of bombed-out dystopian image that this kind of music represents.

Danger - Octopus!
Apr 20, 2008


Nap Ghost
I've only seen SPOCK once, years ago. The singer had absolutely hilarious deliberately overdone boy-band style moves, it was awesome.

a cyborg mug
Mar 8, 2010



Aufzug Taube! posted:

Blutengel are hilarious and extremely entertaining. My feeling is that if you're going to take a ludicrous concept like vampire romance, then you should take it as far as you can possibly go. Also, the girl on the balcony shaking a strand of garlic at the stage and Chris Pohl -- completely in character -- grimacing at her. loving hilarious.

I unashamedly loving love Blutengel. Pohl's got a magical touch for devastating pop hooks and synth lines, and the aesthetics are just hilariously overblown. I'd love to see that poo poo live, from what I've seen it's more like a theater play than a concert.

Ivan Shitskin
Nov 29, 2002

CAT rear end now!!! posted:

I unashamedly loving love Blutengel. Pohl's got a magical touch for devastating pop hooks and synth lines, and the aesthetics are just hilariously overblown. I'd love to see that poo poo live, from what I've seen it's more like a theater play than a concert.
It is. One of the downsides for them traveling outside of Europe (but who cares if they're actually now starting to play in North America, you know?) is that they didn't bring the candelabras and other props and the giant throne that shoots flames out of the top. Still, the hooks are incredible and they remain in character so well that you believe what they're selling. It's not so much watching Chris Pohl as watching this insane thousand-year-old vampire character he's constructed. Ulrike Goldmann is fantastic. Really all they need is a stage and they can go.

Speaking of that. Before coming to Kinetik they showed up on Mexican TV. They apparently have a pretty big following there. (Which also demonstrates again that Mexicans have much better taste than us in the States.) It's with playback but still surreal and worth watching if you're a fan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2IVVobD1RE

Ivan Shitskin fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Sep 1, 2012

Ivan Shitskin
Nov 29, 2002

To make another point about all of this. Goth is pure aesthetics. That's a bit different from industrial's punk roots, with all the political messages that come packaged with that. There's really no politics whatsoever to goth, which is probably the reason why it never seems to age and seemingly comes back from the dead again and again and is immortal (see what I'm doing here). I like that and the celebration of camp for its own sake.

The other thing is bathos. Blutengel drips it. But they do bathos without it being bad. It's these super serious FLY INTO THE NIGHT WITH ME songs but it's done as conventional electro-pop, and that juxtaposition is what's so hilarious and entertaining. Anyways, I should report back from Covenant tomorrow night.

Ivan Shitskin fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Sep 1, 2012

boo_radley
Dec 30, 2005

Politeness costs nothing

Aufzug Taube! posted:

Which also demonstrates again that Mexicans have much better taste than us in the States.


Speaking of hispanic EI, these guys are pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtlrLmdaPGY

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
I just want to add that Clan of Xymox will never tour the States again, because they want me to be very very sad.

Ivan Shitskin
Nov 29, 2002

Amduscia were supposed to play at a festival here in Texas a few months back but they pulled out ... and then the whole thing was cancelled at the last minute. Ahhh. Anyways.

Should I see Suicide Commando? If anyone wants to say, you have about a month or so to talk me in or out of it.

Edit: Yeah they're playing in Philadelphia, Austin, Los Angeles and Denver. That looks like it. And the Austin show is on a Saturday. I guess that means I'm going.

Ivan Shitskin fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Sep 7, 2012

Babby Sathanas
May 16, 2006

bearbating is now adorable
Absolutely, they put on a good show. Johan van Roy comes of as a bit of a oval office but it's all part of the act.

Jose Mengelez
Sep 11, 2001

by Azathoth
I'm a couple of months late but the new and one album's pretty baller.

Danger - Octopus!
Apr 20, 2008


Nap Ghost

Aufzug Taube! posted:

Should I see Suicide Commando? If anyone wants to say, you have about a month or so to talk me in or out of it.

Yeah - I haven't enjoyed their last two albums tbh, but live they sound a hell of a lot better and were really good.

boo_radley
Dec 30, 2005

Politeness costs nothing
Whoo, gonna see Covenant tonight at DNA Lounge! Anybody else in town?

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
Eww eww eww eww eww

quote:

The first edition of the 4th Nachtmahr album "Veni Vidi Vici" will be released as a strictly limited edition in coffee-table book format à la viénnoise. Nachtmahr is the solo project of Thomas Rainer (also known for his other projects: L'Âme Immortelle and the now defunct Siechtum)

The "Veni Vidi Vici" book is actually a sumptuous illustrated picture book containing explicit, highly erotic photos in a 280 x 280 mm format and this spread over 72 pages. The book furthermore includes all lyrics and the bonus CD "Archivum Imperialis" featuring 6 exclusive tracks.

Jose Mengelez
Sep 11, 2001

by Azathoth

Finally, a coaster for my piss jug.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Remember when industrial music was about how capitalism reduces us to objects, and not about how much fun it is to reduce women to objects?

The Cleaner
Jul 18, 2008

I WILL DEVOUR YOUR BALLS!
:quagmire:
Ugh.

And you know he jerked off to it too.

Babby Sathanas
May 16, 2006

bearbating is now adorable
You have got to be loving kidding me.

het
Nov 14, 2002

A dark black past
is my most valued
possession
It's okay guys, he's clearly just satirizing people who release their music as coffee table books of BDSM erotica

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

het posted:

It's okay guys, he's clearly just satirizing people who release their music as coffee table books of BDSM erotica
I've figured it out, he wants to be Madonna 20 years ago.

Ivan Shitskin
Nov 29, 2002

quote:

http://www.infrarot.de/nachtmahr/veni-vidi-vici-elite-edition/2011733

A battle is raging in the Colosseum of the global Industrial movement. A battle for ascendancy, for power, for dominance. Above the bloody events, eyes not wavering from the battlefield, the sovereign of Imperial Industrial, the leader of an empire, stands and beholds. He observes warriors vainly trying to live up to him, he grants them their weak attempt only to point his thumb down in the end nonetheless. 'Ad bestiam' with the rivals! One envier, one hater, one impersonator after the other is thrown to the wolves while Thomas Rainer indulges the debaucheries of a decadent Roman emperor at the banquet of the victorious. And the empire trembles with veneration.

Countless opponents wanted to stop him, to enthrone him, and did everything to see him in the dirt. They ridiculed him for his vision, his boundless persuasion to build, strengthen and increase his claim to power. But that belongs to the past. Long since, they pave his way as defeated enemies, decorate the walls of his headquarter as trophies. He came, he saw, he conquered and now he leads his ultimate triumphal procession through the streets of the fallen cities. 'Veni Vidi Vici' is the name of the crusade with which Thomas Rainer is going to tear down walls, annihilate armies and bring entire empires to their knees. With him or against him this is the only option you have (edit: okay). Choose wisely whether you prefer to wade through an ocean of willing women and excessive sin or to be forgotten by history as a defeated enemy.

Nachtmahr have propagated their 'Kriegserklärung' (decleration of war) and deliver only one proof among many for the superiority of this club colossus with the song of the same name. And this is only the beginning: 'Tradition' with its infernal beat machinery is launched right next, 'Mütterchen Russland' is brimful of marching impact and Russian monumentalism, the slow, gripping 'Die letzten Dämme' or the all-encompassing weapon of Industrial mass destruction, 'Hoffnung' as a destructive finale turn out to be indestructible blasts of contemporary club culture. His Industrial infantry is running like a well-oiled machinery while the General of world demise assembles an intimidating arsenal of heavy weaponry under the proudly hoisted banner of Austrian Imperial Industrial that will tear every club to pieces and blow the rivals out of history like an annoying fly.

The world will burn. Inflamed by the remains of the vanquished foes, the reflection of this triumph of musical and bodily excesses mirrors a new Industrial world order, a final proof of Nachtmahr's supremacy carved in stone. In this, it is irrelevant whether the commander of this superior beat brigade sends forth quivering Industrial paroles, thundering EBM storms, marching rhythms or Noise terror: The end will always be the same, Nachtmahr will always remain standing. The opponents ears ring with it, the women whisper it adoringly: 'Veni Vidi Vici' - into all eternity.
Either this is an elaborate troll or Thomas Rainer has literally declared war on industrial music.

Ivan Shitskin fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Sep 11, 2012

boo_radley
Dec 30, 2005

Politeness costs nothing
what a shitheap of humanity.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
I thought that extreme metal and "neo-folk" existed so that we don't have to put up with actual fascists in this scene.

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007

Aufzug Taube! posted:

Either this is an elaborate troll or Thomas Rainer has literally declared war on industrial music.

Ahahah what a shween. "Austrian Imperial Industrial" hahaha it's like high school goth drama with a fascistic twist

Dominus Vobiscum
Sep 2, 2004

Our motives are multiple, our desires complex.
Fallen Rib
Some guy was wearing a homemade "We Demand Better" shirt at the Icon of Coil show in Milwaukee tonight.

The Cleaner
Jul 18, 2008

I WILL DEVOUR YOUR BALLS!
:quagmire:
I'm fairly certain that Thomas Rainer's promos are written by The Ultimate Warrior circa 1990.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkEl_R0dTfY

Radio Paranoia
Jun 27, 2010

It is now safe to turn off your computer.
I used to like Nachtmahr. Well, that first album was great. But I think he's just gone way off the deep end now.

I wonder if the whole "With us or against us" posturing is a response to the Adversary guys?

(You KNOW people are going to buy that book. :smith:)

Twiin
Nov 11, 2003

King of Suck!

Dominus Vobiscum posted:

Some guy was wearing a homemade "We Demand Better" shirt at the Icon of Coil show in Milwaukee tonight.

AMAZING

Tingles
Jul 26, 2006

Twiin posted:

AMAZING

Twiin, as soon as I saw Sean at Jamie Duffy's memorial show over the weekend, I asked if you were able to make it so I could thank you in person for all you've done. Sorry you couldn't be there (IT WAS AMAZING), but thanks!

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Twiin
Nov 11, 2003

King of Suck!

Tingles posted:

Twiin, as soon as I saw Sean at Jamie Duffy's memorial show over the weekend, I asked if you were able to make it so I could thank you in person for all you've done. Sorry you couldn't be there (IT WAS AMAZING), but thanks!

I tried so hard to make it down. It came down to paying rent or going. It was a really tough call. And you're welcome!

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