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Mr.48
May 1, 2007

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Fun fact: that Bowie song is what inspired Lynch to make Lost Highway in the first place.

Holy poo poo, that makes me appreciate it even more!

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AN AOL CHAT ROOM
Feb 22, 2003

Power-shovelling fat turds into my cock busted syphilitic maw. Like a fat cunt shovels doughnuts. The resulting turds from my hemorrhoid infested goat fucked ass are pure gold compared to my shitting posts.
Congrats on finally getting around to some good Lynch films! In addition to Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive, you should add Inland Empire to the list. They all share the same thematic element of a character escapes reality by being someone else, and LH and MD are two good stepping stones for the challenge that is IE. I've watched IE a dozen times and I think that I've got it all figured out. I'd love to discuss these movies in the David Lynch thread if anyone would like to necrotize it when they've caught up on these films.

the Bunt
Sep 24, 2007

YOUR GOLDEN MAGNETIC LIGHT
For some reason I find Lost Highway to be way more impenetrable and cold than Inland Empire.

Dr.Caligari
May 5, 2005

"Here's a big, beautiful avatar for someone"

the Bunt posted:

For some reason I find Lost Highway to be way more impenetrable and cold than Inland Empire.

I felt that way in that way when compared to Mulholland Dr. It is still amazing though.

I have IE ready to roll, but I've been waiting for the right time when I am mentally sharp enough to tackle it and can watch it in one setting.

I recently finish "The Short Films of David Lynch". If you are really into Lynch you may enjoy this, but I found a lot of it hard to get through. 'The Grandmother' was in a similar vein of Eraserhead, and 'Six figures getting six' was hypnotic for some reason. The humor in 'The Cowboy and the Frenchman' was also entertaining.

Dr.Caligari fucked around with this message at 06:18 on Sep 3, 2012

foodfight
Feb 10, 2009

Lord Krangdar posted:

I'd have to watch the film again to go really in depth on this stuff, but I think I have a pretty good interpretation of the ending.

Before I get into what the last line means, let me address the cult's purpose. They're not just investigating whether there is an afterlife, they're investigating whether there is some transcendent value to the experience of extreme violence/pain. The afterlife part is just their hypothesis on what they will discover through their experiments.

Their ideas have real world analogues, by the way. Obviously the film makes reference to real life martyrs (those photos the Mademoiselle shows Anna are real) but there's more. In his book Heaven and Hell Aldous Huxley discussed the polar extremes of the human mind's experience (the mind's heaven and hell, or the "antipodes"). He said there was a thin line between experiencing the transcendent state of timeless peace and the nightmarish state of pure awful terror, and that humans throughout history had sought the former state through drugs, religious rituals, art, fasting, or extreme pain. This theme also shows up in Clive Barker's Hellraiser (The Hellbound Heart) and probably a million other things, you get the point.

Now, the cultists are all elderly. Presumably they have been working at their task for a long time, devoting their entire lives to their ongoing experiments. Over the years they have no doubt theorized and fantasized about the endgame: how mind-blowing would it be to finally know the answers to every big question of the afterlife, or the meaning of human existence, or the secrets behind transcendent states of mind?

So they finally succeed in their experiments, and Mademoiselle gets to hear all the secrets from her artificial martyr's lips. We don't hear what Anna says, but it doesn't really matter. No mere words could ever fulfill the fantastic expectations that the cultists have built up. Remember the Mademoiselle doesn't get to experience the transcendent state that Anna does, she only gets to hear about it secondhand. The Mademoiselle is inevitably disappointed, and her life's work appears cheapened; a terrible cheat against nature which has succeeded but has not fulfilled her longing.

To put it in another way, consider the Star Wars prequel effect. A kid watches the original Star Wars films, captivated by the mysterious idea of the Force, for example, speculating and fantasizing with their friends as they play Jedi and Sith. Then they grow older and the much hyped Phantom Menace comes out. They finally learn the secret source of The Force: its caused by tiny life-forms that live in people's bloodstreams called midi-chlorians.

I think we all know the collective nerd-rage that took place after that film came out. The transcendent mysteries were ruined by the mundane explanations. But not just that specific explanation, any answers would inevitably have been disappointing. The fact is, mysteries and ambiguities have more power to entice the imagination than answers. Now Star Wars is just a movie series, but apply that kind of disappointment to the questions humans have asked themselves for their entire existence.

So back to Martyrs: the Mademoiselle kills herself in the end, warning the cult to "keep doubting". She has realized, too late, that the mysteries of human existence and experience have a value beyond existing to be answered. Learning her prized answers vicariously through a vile cheat has cheapened them, and she can't go on living with that knowledge. In her last act, she spares her comrades the same fate and witnesses to them the value of doubt over certainty.

Now to apply this interpretation of the ending to the larger subtext of the film. I don't think the movie is damning the audience for watching it, as others have suggested. Rather the second half of the film leads the audience to ask whether there is a transcendent aspect to extreme violence and pain, and whether that is why they entice us so much. Then the ending of the film asks us to consider that maybe we don't want to know the answer, but we should "keep doubting" or keep questioning anyway.


Since this thread morphed into 'Psychological Horror/Discussion of the extremely violent and gory Martyrs' I wanted to throw in my two cents on the movie. I really like your interpretation of the film but but I'm not sure that I fully agree that the movie isn't damning of its audience. I got a real "Diet Coke" effect vibe from the movie. Basically there is this study that says people get addicted to Diet Coke because they are chasing a high that only regular Coke can give them. Only a real Coke is truly satisfying and drinking a diet Coke is only going to further dissatisfaction.

Applying this to the movie, when the old woman kills herself at the end, she is robbing the audience of the satisfaction of knowing what the afterlife is (or knowing what the ultimate meaning is to watching goreporn). "Keep doubting" means the cult will continue to torture and means the audience will continue to view the torture as a means to achieve the satisfaction they desire. The only true way to achieve that satisfaction is to kill yourself/turn off the movie(s).

Cinnamon Bastard
Dec 15, 2006

But that totally wasn't my fault. You shouldn't even be able to put the car in gear with the bar open.
Holy poo poo, I watched Session 9 last night, and it was absolutely amazing. I think I need to spend more time working my way through this thread's suggestions.

Dissapointed Owl
Jan 30, 2008

You wrote me a letter,
and this is how it went:
Sometimes I feel like the only one who didn't care at all for Session 9. :smith:

Shane-O-Mac
May 24, 2006

Hypnopompic bees are extra scary. They turn into guns.

Dissapointed Owl posted:

Sometimes I feel like the only one who didn't care at all for Session 9. :smith:

Nope, I thought it was pretty bland to be honest.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours

Dissapointed Owl posted:

Sometimes I feel like the only one who didn't care at all for Session 9. :smith:

I think it's quite lame although it's fun to watch David Caruso try to play it straight for once.

justcola
May 22, 2004

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Unsure if this has been mentioned or not.



In A Glass Cage (Spanish)

The film is about a German doctor living in South America, though he needs an iron lung to stay alive. He hires a young nurse to look after him.

I'm unsure if this could be classed as a psychological horror/thriller, though it definitely has elements of claustrophobia, madness, secrecy and isolation. The film can also be extremely rough to watch and certain scenes have stayed with me for a few years. Now that I think about it it's probably one of the more powerful films I've seen, may give it a rewatch this week. As with almost all films, I'd recommend going into this without knowing too much about what's going to happen.



Pontypool

A fun twist on the zombie genre. Set in one location, a radio station. If I remember correctly, no gore either.

Other films I've liked for their psychological elements that aren't necessarily horror films yet have a sense of dread or something not quite being right are The Parallax View, The Ninth Configuration, The Stunt Man, Blue Velvet, Demon Seed, Aguirre, the Wrath of God, Threads, Synecdoche, New York and Body Double.

Krypt-OOO-Nite!!
Oct 25, 2010
I know I'll get poo poo for this but you need to see....


A Serbian Film

Ignore all the poo poo you may have heard about it and just give it a watch because it may one of the most unsettling psychological horror movies made.
Basic plot outline is retired porn actor and happy family man takes on one last well paid job, Which just happens to drag him into his own personnel hell.
Now I've never heard this movie get spoken about in any regard apart from as shocking torture porn etc, Which boggles my mind as I have never seen a film that made me feel so tense and honestly upset. Now there are some loving horrific scenes (and I mean may make you just rip it out the blu-ray player and snap it in half horrific) but none are ever done just for the point of being horrific and never in context feel exploitative.
I felt mentally drained and broken by the end of the movie and no matter what the fact I was in such a ruined anxious state just by watching a movie is something I have to give the makers full credit for.

I also think it never gets enough credit for trying to make a point about modern usage of pornography and despite how mainstream it has become in recent years pornography is still built on(and still contains alot of) sexual exploitation

Krypt-OOO-Nite!! fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Sep 12, 2012

Dissapointed Owl
Jan 30, 2008

You wrote me a letter,
and this is how it went:

Krypt-OOO-Nite!! posted:

I know I'll get poo poo for this but you need to see....


A Serbian Film

I thought Serbian Film was really good and well made.

wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!

Dissapointed Owl posted:

Sometimes I feel like the only one who didn't care at all for Session 9. :smith:

I never watched because apparently I mixed it up with another movie and until recently thought it was a base revenge/torture porn flick.

Ominous Jazz
Jun 15, 2011

Big D is chillin' over here
Wasteland style

Krypt-OOO-Nite!! posted:

I know I'll get poo poo for this but you need to see....


A Serbian Film

There's no way you, having seen the movie, are saying it's not just obscene goreporn :psyduck:
I mean, I'll admit I felt unsettled by it, but not remotely like what you're saying.

Serious Party Gods
Apr 2, 2009

I feel like the sheer dread that Session 9 conjures with it's score and tone supersedes the (many) stupid elements. Think of the "reveal" scene when the lead realizes what he's done, and the lone-wolf contractor shows up late to the action. The intimate murder and weirdo drones that are in the following couple of minutes made me feel like I was having a bad trip - That poo poo is pretty much unmatched in creepiness for my yankee buck.

Krypt-OOO-Nite!!
Oct 25, 2010

Ominous Jazz posted:

There's no way you, having seen the movie, are saying it's not just obscene goreporn :psyduck:
I mean, I'll admit I felt unsettled by it, but not remotely like what you're saying.

That's exactly my point that everyone seems to think its just a gore porn movie when there are only what? three or four nasty moments? (Also most of them sexual, If I remember rightly it features very little gore really.)

I'm unsure how to describe it but the fact that when poo poo happens its disgustedly horrific means that you really feel the main character's dread and fear.
I honestly think the movie affected me more because of the tension than when stuff happened.

As a side-note I find it weird that A Serbian Film seems to me to be very similar to Kill List story wise and mood wise. However A Serbian Film gets slated a lot maybe due to it featuring more sexual horror rather than just violence.

Cinnamon Bastard
Dec 15, 2006

But that totally wasn't my fault. You shouldn't even be able to put the car in gear with the bar open.

Heavy Petting posted:

I feel like the sheer dread that Session 9 conjures with it's score and tone supersedes the (many) stupid elements. Think of the "reveal" scene when the lead realizes what he's done, and the lone-wolf contractor shows up late to the action. The intimate murder and weirdo drones that are in the following couple of minutes made me feel like I was having a bad trip - That poo poo is pretty much unmatched in creepiness for my yankee buck.

Agreed. I loved the movie, but without that score it would have been awful. I can completely see someone, including myself outside my one instance if watching it, not necessarily getting taken in by the music quite as much as I did that night, in which case, yeah it would be pretty bland. The visuals were nice at times, but wouldn't have brought it up over the top, and the acting was pretty shaky at times. I think I was just in the right mood for it that night.

I think I'm mostly surprised, because it's the first time I've liked Caruso in something.

Paolomania
Apr 26, 2006

Does anyone else object to Event Horizon being in the OP? That movie is like watching a Poisson-distributed random-function to the next arbitrary flash of gore and then it ends with a fist fight with Evil. "Campy Dead-Space/WH40K-ish movie that SMG can over-analyze into something interesting" maybe, but "Psychological Horror/Thriller" my rear end.

MOAR
Mar 6, 2012

Death! Put your jacket on or you'll get frostbite!

Paolomania posted:

Does anyone else object to Event Horizon being in the OP? That movie is like watching a Poisson-distributed random-function to the next arbitrary flash of gore and then it ends with a fist fight with Evil. "Campy Dead-Space/WH40K-ish movie that SMG can over-analyze into something interesting" maybe, but "Psychological Horror/Thriller" my rear end.

Oh I hate that movie and I object to it being in any list that includes The Shining and Shutter Island.

Serious Party Gods
Apr 2, 2009

Cinnamon Bastard posted:

Agreed. I loved the movie, but without that score it would have been awful. I can completely see someone, including myself outside my one instance if watching it, not necessarily getting taken in by the music quite as much as I did that night, in which case, yeah it would be pretty bland. The visuals were nice at times, but wouldn't have brought it up over the top, and the acting was pretty shaky at times. I think I was just in the right mood for it that night.

I think I'm mostly surprised, because it's the first time I've liked Caruso in something.

On the Session 9 score from Climax Golden Twins:

"..there were low, heavy drones — that might not come across on a small TV, but in the theater they did. That kind of sound creates a very physical reaction. We also used very, very high-pitched sounds. You can almost not even hear them, but they make you feel uncomfortable. Atmospheric horror — that’s what we were interested in."

"At times we were trying to come up with the creepiest sound we could. That’s kind of the thing about that movie. There’s really not a lot of overt violence in the film itself. This film is just really creepy psychologically, and I think we kind of matched that intensity with the sounds we generated."

..But yeah all the plot points with the reel tapes and demons were ludicrously dumb.

Serious Party Gods fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Sep 15, 2012

Craig Spradlin
Apr 6, 2009

Right in the babymaker.

Ominous Jazz posted:

There's no way you, having seen (A Serbian Film), are saying it's not just obscene goreporn :psyduck:
I mean, I'll admit I felt unsettled by it, but not remotely like what you're saying.

I think it's too gory for inclusion on this list, but it is definitely much more than "just obscene goreporn."

Blinky13
Apr 24, 2008

Craig Spradlin posted:

I think it's too gory for inclusion on this list, but it is definitely much more than "just obscene goreporn."

Agreeing with this - it's the same discussion that came up with Martyrs. This thread is for the people who don't want to look at a lot of blood and guts. I don't regret watching Serbian Film, but it's definitely messy.

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer
I'm not sure it really belongs in this thread because it's not really horror, but "The Skin I Live In" is definitely a psychologically charged drama about plastic surgery that is pretty unsettling but never really visually disgusting. I would say it's about very disturbing things, but the film is almost entirely beautiful. it's less of an edge of your seat thriller and more of a mystery. Like I said, I'm not sure it belongs in this thread, but the thread for it disappeared before I got a chance to watch it.

Orunitier
Dec 5, 2010
Yes, that movie would be classified as a Thriller, so it fits.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

You know, I went through this whole thread, and I'm pretty shocked that there's been absolutely no mention of Martin Scorsese's remake of Cape Fear from back in 1991. I saw this again recently for the first time in quite a few years, and it reminded me what an utterly magnificent psychological thriller it is. There are parts of this film that are just terrifying in a really deep, primal way. And De Niro is both scary as gently caress and irrepressibly charming in this really repulsive way.

edit: I also wanted to add what an incredible performance an 18-year-old Juliette Lewis gives in Cape Fear. I don't even think a performance like that would be allowed today, because she pretty intensely and unflinchingly portrays the character with an extremely youthful, vulnerable sexuality, particularly in the scenes with De Niro's character, whom we know from the start of the film was in prison for raping and battering a 16-year-old girl. Some of those scenes between De Niro and Lewis are intense and upsetting in ways that you just do not see in many films anymore, because most directors wouldn't be willing to go to that place the way Scorsese does here.

kaworu fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Sep 17, 2012

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours

kaworu posted:

edit: I also wanted to add what an incredible performance an 18-year-old Juliette Lewis gives in Cape Fear. I don't even think a performance like that would be allowed today, because she pretty intensely and unflinchingly portrays the character with an extremely youthful, vulnerable sexuality, particularly in the scenes with De Niro's character, whom we know from the start of the film was in prison for raping and battering a 16-year-old girl. Some of those scenes between De Niro and Lewis are intense and upsetting in ways that you just do not see in many films anymore, because most directors wouldn't be willing to go to that place the way Scorsese does here.

Watch Killer Joe.

Tolkien minority
Feb 14, 2012


Just finished watching The Machinist, and I was rather disappointed with it. Although it does some things right, such as building a great atmosphere and a stellar performance by bale, it basically seems to me like a shittier Jacobs Ladder. There was some cool imagery but the twist was so ham handedly telegraphed(route 666, turn right for redemption? REALLY?. Bale was an unlikable twit, and the dostoevsky references that were so "subtle" made me roll my eyes. I'd give it a 6/10 but if you're looking for something scary or for something thrilling look elsewhere

Tolkien minority fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Sep 18, 2012

justcola
May 22, 2004

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

I watched Sorcerer the other night, I really enjoyed it. There were moments that it was so suspenseful it was bordering on horror, which I don't think I've gotten from a thriller film before. Parts of it reminded me a little of the heist in Rififi.

Unsure if Hitchcock has been mentioned, but Rope, Rear Window and Frenzy are all good as well as the early De Palma films, which were heavily influenced by Hitchcock.

doug fuckey
Jun 7, 2007

hella greenbacks
You should also see The Wages of Fear, the movie Sorcerer is basically a remake of. It's a thriller of the highest degree for the same reason. Directed by Clouzot, who also did Diabolique (another great thriller!)

foodfight
Feb 10, 2009

justcola posted:

I watched Sorcerer the other night, I really enjoyed it. There were moments that it was so suspenseful it was bordering on horror, which I don't think I've gotten from a thriller film before. Parts of it reminded me a little of the heist in Rififi.

Unsure if Hitchcock has been mentioned, but Rope, Rear Window and Frenzy are all good as well as the early De Palma films, which were heavily influenced by Hitchcock.

Yeah, those De Palma films are great.

Dissapointed Owl
Jan 30, 2008

You wrote me a letter,
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big business sloth posted:

You should also see The Wages of Fear, the movie Sorcerer is basically a remake of. It's a thriller of the highest degree for the same reason. Directed by Clouzot, who also did Diabolique (another great thriller!)

Sorcerer and The Wages of Fear are great companion pieces. Both brilliant in their own way.

EC
Jul 10, 2001

The Legend
I seem to remember it was this thread that was talking about Kill List, which I just finished with. Definitely a what-in-the-everlasting-gently caress kind of movie by the end. I feel like I should watch it again, as I must have missed out on some subtle clues that might make sense.

I'm all :psyduck: over here

Wizchine
Sep 17, 2007

Television is the retina
of the mind's eye.

mistaya posted:


And to include something new for the thread, I'd like to recommend Splice. It's a movie about a pair of scientists who end up creating a hybrid humanoid that ages at an accelerated rate. They raise it in secret instead of terminating its life. A decent Netflix watch, although I feel like the ending was a bit of a let down. The scenes with the young Dren (the creature) are really neat though.

I quite enjoyed Splice. On the surface it looks like a run-of-the-mill "scientists shouldn't play God" creature feature. Most films with these themes have a scientist with noble aims who overreaches and creates a monster by mistake (think the brainy sharks from Deep Blue - the scientist was trying to prevent Alzheimer's). The couple in this movie, however, maybe start out with good intentions but quickly put their original goals on the backburner as they succumb to a perverse curiosity to see what happens next, and a sublimated desire to have a child. They make one poor decision after the other and it's fun to watch. Every time I thought, "Nah, the film's not ballsy enough to go there" - they went there.

xzoto1
Jan 18, 2010

How's life in a bigger prison, Dae-su?

victorious posted:

You should.
I watched it based on a short review in Empire magazine that basically said 'two hitmen work their way through a list of targets that becomes increasingly bizarre'. Sure, that's basically what the films about, but once it was over I just stared at the blank screen for some time wondering what the gently caress I'd just watched.

I just watched this and I had the exact reaction. The soundtrack seriously makes half the movie what it is. It's so harrowing.

Also, I HIGHLY recommend Caché. I found it to be incredibly unsettling. It revolves around a married couple that keeps receiving VHS tapes on their doorstep from someone recording the exterior of their home.

xzoto1 fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Oct 1, 2012

Hazo
Dec 30, 2004

SCIENCE



I did a search and I've found nowhere else to talk about this, but... I saw this on a commercial tonight and apparently there's a new Silent Hill film coming out?? As a gigantic fan of the brilliant atmospheric horror of the first two-thirds of the first film I'm pretty loving stoked, but has anyone else heard about this new movie and if it will or will not suck?

wormil posted:

I never watched because apparently I mixed it up with another movie and until recently thought it was a base revenge/torture porn flick.
Did you mix it up with "Death Tunnel" like I did years ago? :saddowns:

Hazo fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Oct 1, 2012

Lord Krangdar
Oct 24, 2007

These are the secrets of death we teach.

Hazo posted:

I did a search and I've found nowhere else to talk about this, but... I saw this on a commercial tonight and apparently there's a new Silent Hill film coming out?? As a gigantic fan of the brilliant atmospheric horror of the first two-thirds of the first film I'm pretty loving stoked, but has anyone else heard about this new movie and if it will or will not suck?

I'm afraid it will suck because it looks like they added some high-school drama bullshit, but I'm hoping it will have some interesting visuals and /or weird poo poo. I actually really like the first one, and thought it was more coherent than most people judged it to be.

User-Friendly
Apr 27, 2008

Is There a God? (Pt. 9)
The Game, the movie David Fincher made between Se7en and Fight Club, is now on Netflix. It stars Michael Douglas as some rich rear end in a top hat whose brother buys him a "game" from a company called CRS, and they basically just gently caress with him for the rest of the movie.

It's pretty much psychological torture porn, and it's great.

User-Friendly fucked around with this message at 07:20 on Oct 1, 2012

Lord Krangdar
Oct 24, 2007

These are the secrets of death we teach.
The Game also just came out as part of the Criterion Collection.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

If anyone here is a big fan of the movie The Game, then I strongly recommend the movie House of Games by David Mamet, the directorial debut of the fella who wrote Glengarry Glen Ross amongst many, many other great films and plays over the last thirty years or so. The Game is pretty much a riff on House of Games, even down to the title, and I cannot recommend the original strongly enough. If you're really a fan of those "nothing is what they seem" films then you owe it to yourself to see this.

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
Dark City definitely belongs in this thread. It's a pretty crazy movie that is difficult to describe, but it's got elements of Lost Highway, Truman Show, and the Matrix and I got the Director's Cut for $8 the other day.

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