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Sep 17, 2012 10:17
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So while you might very well have legitimate criticisms in there, its really had to get past the overbearing rear end in a top hat tone of your post to find them. Fryhtaning wrote up a big rear end post post that introduced me, and presumably many others, to this pretty badass sport, so itd be pretty cool if you tone down the condescesion and maybe try not being a huge dick?
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Sep 17, 2012 12:06
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i came to this thread only knowing what scraps i had retained from very occasional ESPN coverage in the late 90s and have, through following this thread, picked up on the majority of the stuff mentioned in your post as absent. it might not be in the OP but it's mostly all in here and i would contend that the OP is perfectly adequate for fostering interest in the sport even if it is not necessarily an exhaustive account of everything that's ever happened in sumo.
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Sep 17, 2012 12:20
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This morning sucks. Back to work after a fantastic weekend, day 9 digests not up yet on Youtube, and a steaming puddle of yellow liquid trickling all over the thread. The OP is a little stale and does need updates. You make a few good suggestions. But, Jesus.
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Sep 17, 2012 13:36
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BadBeatsCrewDerk posted:I follow sumo very closely and have for a while now. I don't really read/contribute here but some people wanted to know if there was a thread on it here and I recalled there was. So I looked at the OP and saw a lot of misinformation. I didn't go through it with a fine-toothed comb, but here are some corrections: Pretty much everything you mention has been discussed over the course of the (very short) thread. What made you think this was a good idea to post in this way, instead of just PMing the OP or using a more informative and less sanctimonious tone?
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Sep 17, 2012 13:55
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BadBeatsCrewDerk, where do you get your info from? Is it available in English? Also feel free to do some write-ups for wrestlers that you think are worthwhile, I'm sure a lot of us would appreciate the history lesson.
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Sep 17, 2012 13:58
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BadBeatsCrewDerk posted:I follow sumo very closely and That is what I took from it.
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Sep 17, 2012 15:18
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When are the day 9 matches going to go up 
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Sep 17, 2012 16:40
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Jason's videos for day 9 are up atleast.
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BadBeatsCrewDerk fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Apr 18, 2013 |
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Sep 17, 2012 17:56
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I don't really think a write up of past wrestlers is necessary but it would be interesting to some degree. On the other hand, as I said earlier, sumoreference.com is hugely useful. Along with that, Araibira posted some videos called The National Art of Sumo that cover sumo from 1939 to the late 2000s (presumably from Japanese TV. I asked Araibira on Facebook where they came from and he strangely said he has no idea.  Of course if anyone who lives in Japan or has lived in Japan has any idea, it'd be greatly appreciated.). If you're curious about styles used throughout the 20th century or who the big names were, I'm going to assume you can't do much better. Of course all of these videos are an hour long or more and there are almost 20 of them so it's pretty daunting to go through all of them. I've only watched 2 or 3 but they're pretty interesting.Edit: Also, as much as I want a new yokozuna, jesus would it be great it Kyokutenho won another tournament. Dr.Radical fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Sep 17, 2012 |
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Sep 17, 2012 18:43
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Supradog posted:Jason's videos for day 9 are up atleast. Thanks for this, it's great to have HD versions of the most interesting matches with English commentary. Apparently they're paying particular attention to the Gyoji today because of a senior citizen's national holiday in Japan. I loved the comment at the beginning of Hakuho and Aminishiki's match about the senior Gyoji. He gets to keep a dagger tucked in his belt - but is expected to commit suicide if he makes a wrong decision. The announcer remarked that "this doesn't actually happen".
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Sep 17, 2012 19:08
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euthy posted:Thanks for this, it's great to have HD versions of the most interesting matches with English commentary. I can't watch with audio while at work - I didn't realize it had English commentary. Is that the Japan TV station that Seorin mentioned?
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Sep 17, 2012 19:12
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Fryhtaning posted:I can't watch with audio while at work - I didn't realize it had English commentary. Is that the Japan TV station that Seorin mentioned? It's NHK I believe, with the Youtube account Jason speaking in English over the TV's also-English commentary.
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Sep 17, 2012 19:23
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnGpG27p3Do
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Sep 17, 2012 19:27
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Great to see things finally shake up a bit. Homasho/Kisenosato - I think Homasho just locked in his Outstanding Performance award. Unfortunately it's at the expense of Kisenosato, who paid the price for the only mistake he has made all basho
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Sep 17, 2012 20:05
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Myogiryu really looked a lot like Kisenosato today, except thinner and more agile. Very balanced and stable.
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Sep 17, 2012 21:24
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Homashou v Kisenosato, the superb balance he displayed this tournament failed him this time, making Homashou almost a shoein for the shukunsho. Harumafuji v Toyonshima, Toyonoshima made Harumafuji really work for it, while he had a grip on him he had a shot. As soon as it was hands-off, it became a forgone conclusion. Myougiryuu, sure turned in a spirited performance today. As far as people not picking up on Osunaarashi yet is concerned, the guy is competing in only his third basho yet and is still in the basement. Furthermore, while he has a solid record so far, only time will tell if he's got what it take to blaze a Baruto-esque path through the divisions or not and stall somewhere in Makushita. Hoping for the first, but only time will tell. Oh, and that Orora v Ohara match: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33zMOa8J1IQ, although it's probably the most ludicrous weight difference ever (75 v 275 kg), it's not a very good example as all the fat gently caress can do is waddle around a bit. Just Winging It fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Sep 17, 2012 |
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Sep 17, 2012 22:22
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Just Winging It posted:it's not a very good example as all the fat gently caress can do is waddle around a bit. Unrelated, but Kyokutenho now has the most career wins of any foreign-born wrestler in the history of the sport, and the 8th most of any wrestler ever.
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Sep 17, 2012 23:59
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If that's indeed the case, that really sucks for him. Day 10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO6yVKOPkXs. Daidou v Takanoyama, nice effort by Takanoyama, but it wasn't enough and with 7 losses already, he'll be back to Juryo almost certainly next basho. Chiyotairyuu v Takekaze, while it didn't cost him the match immediately, that lunge left Chiyotairyuu vulnerable, it's probably his weight loss and and shifted center of gravity that he's not used to yet that's breaking him up like some people have said. Kyokutenhou v Kakuryuu, good effort there by Kyokutenhou, just not good enough. Still, when compared to last basho, he at least seems to have a shot at the win. Harumafuji v Takayasu, spirited effort by Takayasu. Hopefully he didn't hurt his knee too bad. Hakuhou v Tochiozan, Hakuhou seemed more like some chump maegashira that entered the ring with a 0-9 record than a yokozuna with a 9-0 one. A complete and utter off-day performance by him, Tochiozan should thank his lucky stars for getting a win handed to him like that. Furthermore, if my wrangling of the sumoreference database is corrected, this is only the seventh time Hakuhou lost to a maegashira, in a total of 209 matches! Flying zabuton moment indeed.
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Sep 18, 2012 12:57
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Houmashou v. Yoshikaze Jesus Christ! Was that thud in the beginning of the match their heads clashing? Hakuhou v. Tochiozan Hakuhou looked like he'd rather be anywhere else but there. Tochiozan didn't look like he was really good just beat an opponent who looked like he was half assing it. Zabuton! Weeeee! Harumafuji looks like he's going to do it. I mean he seems so in control and looks like there's no pressure on him. Still have 5 days to go with Hakuhou in there somewhere. Although he looked like poo poo today it doesn't mean he won't bounce back. Funkysauce fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Sep 18, 2012 |
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Sep 18, 2012 13:32
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poo poo just got real. What's amazing to me is how strong the wrestling lineup is from M1 down to halfway through juryo. Some of those juryo matches are really impressive. Hakuho - Agreed. What the gently caress was that attempt? He should immediately commit seppuku.
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Sep 18, 2012 14:03
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That was an amazing day in a tournament full of amazing days. You guys have already brought out the highlights, but I have to say I was really impressed by the performances of many of today's losers. They really gave it their all, and it made for some drat fine matches. I pretty much can't believe how that last match went, though. I mean, there's off days and then there's that.
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Sep 18, 2012 18:02
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So what's going on with Aran? Is he making an honest effort at ditching his henka habit, or has everyone caught onto it and neutralized it?
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Sep 18, 2012 19:08
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dupersaurus posted:So what's going on with Aran? Is he making an honest effort at ditching his henka habit, or has everyone caught onto it and neutralized it? Yeah I noticed he hasn't done it at all. Doesn't look like he's even attempting it. Either he's making an honest effort, or he has been explicitly told to make said honest effort...
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Sep 18, 2012 19:21
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he had a few good matches sans-henka last basho, he's just performing really poorly this time around. his (unearned imo) place near the top of the maegashira isn't helping.
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Sep 18, 2012 19:25
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Yup, top of maegashira/komusubi is a meat grinder. You gotta face all the top ranks within the first half of the basho which can do horrible things for confidence. A lot of rikishi get up there and then just have terrible tournaments.
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Sep 18, 2012 21:35
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Here we go! Day 11: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JGZt0QQ-ho
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Sep 19, 2012 13:36
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Hell, didn't Aran get a bunch of wins and then started to henka like crazy after he already had built up a safe margin even though he really didn't need to? Miyabiyama v Yoshikaze, mono-ii was probably justified, even though it seemed to me that Yoshikaze didn't actually step out until Miyabiyama crashed down, unless he stroked the outside with the back of his heel or something. Still, a rematch was probably the best decision they could make. Aran, goes to demonstrate once more that he has skill, and proceeds to salvage something in order to not end the tournament with double digit losses. Myougiryuu, dodged a bullet there, that foot on the rope that didn't quite touch down could've easily been his undoing. Harumafuji v Okinoumi, speaking of dodging bullets, looking at the slow-mo replay, Okinoumi's arm touched down first so I'm glad the judges called it correctly and held up Harumafuji's win. Hakuhou v Goeido, it didn't look as if Goeido put in a real effort here, could've worked out better for him if he'd done so.
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Sep 19, 2012 13:36
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kintamayama's video for day 12 still isn't up so i watched araibira's of the most important matches, which are, and uh... hakuho is kind of an rear end in a top hat! i am ok with harite in general (harumafuji has been using it to great effect so far this basho), but a big roundhouse slap right off the tachi-ai and a shoulder to the face to top that off? kind of ridiculous. i hope myogiryu is alright, he definitely seemed concussed after that.
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Sep 20, 2012 12:03
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Day 12 is up. Comments to follow... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynnYFp0taEY&feature=youtube_gdata_player Hakuho/Myogiryu I found Hakuho's 'tude way more offputting than the knockout blow. Myogiryu has been charging headfirst into everything this basho, and yeah, Hakuho's armblock was a little high, but that's Myogiryu's own drat fault for thinking he can bowl over the Yokozuna. Hakuho acted more like Asashoryu afterwards than the usual Hakuho who pats people on the shoulder or helps them up, however. Is he pissed that he's not in the lead or something? He personally escorted Kyokutenho in his victory parade, so I don't see why he wouldn't want Harumafuji to get his shot at Yokozuna. Tochinoshin/Gagamaru I wish I could think of something clever to call the Georgian derby. In any case, the senior Georgian schooled the vat of lard on physics. Aoiyama On that note, wouldn't a matchup between him and Kotooshu technically be the Battle of the Bulge?  Takanoyama "The edge of the dohyo is right this way and I'll be escorting you there posthaste." Toyonoshima I think I like this guy better than Aminishiki. Dude is so short and gives no fucks about going against opponents much bigger than him, and with a proven track record. Fryhtaning fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Sep 20, 2012 |
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Sep 20, 2012 13:27
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Takanoyama v Yoshikaze, clever going there with his back against the wall. Takayasu v Kyokutenhou, with a records like they have, they're bound to end up near the top of the maegashira next basho, where I hope that they'll do better, especially Takayasu. Hakuhou v Myogiryuu, Myogiryuu sure got hit hard, having to be helped to get up and looking dazed like that, but to me it seemed more of accident than that he intentionally shoulder-butted him in the face. Besides, if he's pissed he's not in the lead he should've put in an effort against Tochiouzan and not lose like a chump. Previous basho when he wasn't doing too great he exhibited some of Asashoryuu's less positive traits as well. As for Kotooushuu/Aoiyama, I've always like the notion of a yoghurt yokozuna , though fat chance that'll happen.
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Sep 20, 2012 13:51
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It could be knowing that there may be another Yokozuna after this basho. He has been on top for so long and winning almost everything that there might be some resentment.
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Sep 20, 2012 14:36
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evilwaldo posted:It could be knowing that there may be another Yokozuna after this basho. He has been on top for so long and winning almost everything that there might be some resentment. I remember reading a year or so ago that Hakuho said that there needs to be another yokozuna. That'd be pretty drat hypocritical of him to resent Harumafuji having a shot at it, unless there is bad blood between them.
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Sep 20, 2012 14:54
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i think it's more just frustration at not having won a yusho in such a long time (for him). if harumafuji wins, this will be hakuho's first time losing 3 straight since january 2007, back when he was still an ozeki. even though he was happy for kyokutenho and would like there to be another yokozuna to have as his rival, he seems like a pretty proud guy whose pride is hurting a bit.
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Sep 20, 2012 16:46
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Is it legal to throw forearms and elbows at your opponent's head like that? I know open palm slaps and shoves are okay...
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Sep 20, 2012 17:04
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a false posted:he seems like a pretty proud guy whose pride is hurting a bit. Yeah, he probably badly wants to surpass Asashoryu's total yusho. He's probably just past his prime and knows that there are now several wrestlers who can beat him during any given basho. The clock is now ticking for him making it into the top 3 all-time in yusho. 3 more yusho are needed to catch Asashoryu per sumoreference: code:Fryhtaning fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Sep 20, 2012 |
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Sep 20, 2012 17:38
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a false posted:he seems like a pretty proud guy whose pride is hurting a bit. This is my take on it as well. He wouldn't care if he were losing, but losing in such a stupid way has him pissed off. If he'd actually put up a decent fight and lost because his opponent did well, I don't think he'd have this same attitude. I got that impression the last time he pulled this poo poo as well. I'm going to be so pissed if Myogiryu is out because of this.
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Sep 20, 2012 18:01
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Fryhtaning posted:No joke - a concussion can silently be a career-ender. have concussions historically been an issue in sumo? i know in the other sport i follow (hockey) it's been a major topic of discussion over the past number of years and there have been a lot of players who've had their careers ended by serious concussions (and a good number of players who should have, in retrospect, probably retired thanks to concussions in the past but didn't and are still paying the price). i can't remember much discussion about concussions in sumo though, maybe just because i just recently started following. still, it seems like the knees are generally the first thing to go for rikishi.
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a false posted:have concussions historically been an issue in sumo? i know in the other sport i follow (hockey) it's been a major topic of discussion over the past number of years and there have been a lot of players who've had their careers ended by serious concussions (and a good number of players who should have, in retrospect, probably retired thanks to concussions in the past but didn't and are still paying the price). i can't remember much discussion about concussions in sumo though, maybe just because i just recently started following. still, it seems like the knees are generally the first thing to go for rikishi. I don't know if they have or not in sumo. I was speaking broadly in terms of many sports in general where a concussion throws you off just enough to where you're no longer the fine-tuned machine that you once were. Baseball and hockey are two pretty big ones, football as well. The knees definitely are a big one for sumo. You only have to look at how many of them have some kind of knee support, and at how often the knees get injured. Not to mention, carrying 350lb around on them all day.
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