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schweens
Jan 14, 2011

kakarot ain't got shit on me

Uncle Jam posted:

When I had too much homework for football Saturday I would just open my dorm window and know how the game was going by the 80,000 people's reaction just a few blocks away.

Also on football Saturday at college you can just walk around and people are BBQ (tailgating) with beer EVERYWHERE and just cause you go to the same college they'll just chat you up and give you free food and beer. Once or twice I became drunk before I even made it to my friend's BBQ.

Things like this make me wish I was going to a bigger school. My school is Division 1-AA and it seems like they only care about the Homecoming game.

It also doesn't help that RMU's been outscored 107-24 so far this year.

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Pron on VHS
Nov 14, 2005

Blood Clots
Sweat Dries
Bones Heal
Suck it Up and Keep Wrestling
What is Alabama's 'star' DB position, what do they do? Just wondering because the Chiefs have drafted the last two, Menzie and Arenas.

Grozz Nuy
Feb 21, 2008

Welcome to Moonside.

Wecomel to Soonmide.

Moonwel ot cosidme.

Blackula69 posted:

I love that avatar.

I think I need a new one, maybe just an injured O-lineman

DeCastro with his kneecap dancing

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

Pron on VHS posted:

What is Alabama's 'star' DB position, what do they do? Just wondering because the Chiefs have drafted the last two, Menzie and Arenas.

Fancy name for nickel corner.

No Safe Word
Feb 26, 2005

e: wrong thread

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

k3nn posted:

What happens to all the dudes who don't make NFL teams? As I understand it teams start camp with 90 and cut down to 53 for the start of the regular season.. I know some get picked up by other teams, but that's still 37 guys per team who can't be on a roster. I'm sure a bunch of these just retire/give up on football, but surely that can't account for everyone. Do the others just spend the year training in hope of finding a spot the next year? Are there minor leagues they can play in to keep their skills up while they wait?

To add to what others have posted, there are always a few veteran QBs and specialists (kickers, punters, snappers) that just kind of hang out waiting for somebody to get hurt and the phone to ring.

JetsGuy
Sep 17, 2003

science + hockey
=
LASER SKATES

Uncle Jam posted:

When I had too much homework for football

I triple majored and carried 18 credit hours along with two part time jobs (TA, lab assistant), and I still went to every loving Vanderbilt home game. I knew we were going to lose terribly, and I still went to our high school stadium.

"Too much homework". :v:

CFB rules, even if you're getting your rear end kicked.

That said, I enjoyed it much more when I was at LSU and actually got to enjoy watching a real football team and a far more fun tailgating crowd.

SKEET SKEET
Jan 2, 2010
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Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

Perfect

JetsGuy posted:

I triple majored and carried 18 credit hours along with two part time jobs (TA, lab assistant), and I still went to every loving Vanderbilt home game. I knew we were going to lose terribly, and I still went to our high school stadium.

"Too much homework". :v:

CFB rules, even if you're getting your rear end kicked.

That said, I enjoyed it much more when I was at LSU and actually got to enjoy watching a real football team and a far more fun tailgating crowd.

Nah, there was no way. I was straight up at school during the week from 8am to 1am every day, and didn't have everything done for the weekends. I had a lot of projects that were time consuming, like fabbing wafers in a nano lab, which you do when the equipment is free. Professors who were paying for time got precedence over classes too.

On the flip side now my job is awesome and I'm within walking distance of a different college stadium and I have time to tailgate before and after and afford nice seats every game.

JetsGuy
Sep 17, 2003

science + hockey
=
LASER SKATES

Uncle Jam posted:

Nah, there was no way. I was straight up at school during the week from 8am to 1am every day, and didn't have everything done for the weekends. I had a lot of projects that were time consuming, like fabbing wafers in a nano lab, which you do when the equipment is free. Professors who were paying for time got precedence over classes too.

On the flip side now my job is awesome and I'm within walking distance of a different college stadium and I have time to tailgate before and after and afford nice seats every game.

I was really just giving ya a hard time man. Oh and I slept 4 hours a night most of my time at Vandy. :v:

VOTE1
Aug 23, 2007

As an Australian who now cant watch Ice Hockey, i'm taking up supporting the 49'ers because well 49 is a cool number or something, also they won the first game I watched.. Anyway couple of quick questions.

At what point in a players career do they determine their position? For instance can you tell at age 11 that Jimmy should be a Outside line backer rather than a inside line backer? Or a Corner vs a Safety? Likewise is the decision between corner back and WR pretty much 'well he's fast, but can he catch?'.

I guess a second question is do players move around positions during their career? Ie will a safety or corner ever change into a wide receiver?

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

VOTE1 posted:


I guess a second question is do players move around positions during their career? Ie will a safety or corner ever change into a wide receiver?

Often. There are college QBs who convert to WRs in the NFL. Corners in the NFL sometimes switch to Safeties when they get older and slow down. Brian Urlacher was a safety in college.

Chichevache
Feb 17, 2010

One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

VOTE1 posted:

As an Australian who now cant watch Ice Hockey, i'm taking up supporting the 49'ers because well 49 is a cool number or something, also they won the first game I watched.. Anyway couple of quick questions.

At what point in a players career do they determine their position? For instance can you tell at age 11 that Jimmy should be a Outside line backer rather than a inside line backer? Or a Corner vs a Safety? Likewise is the decision between corner back and WR pretty much 'well he's fast, but can he catch?'.

I guess a second question is do players move around positions during their career? Ie will a safety or corner ever change into a wide receiver?

Being a San Francisco fan is like being a Collingwood fan, with more rape and baby eating. Don't do it!

Arschlochkind
Mar 29, 2010

:stare:

VOTE1 posted:

At what point in a players career do they determine their position? For instance can you tell at age 11 that Jimmy should be a Outside line backer rather than a inside line backer? Or a Corner vs a Safety? Likewise is the decision between corner back and WR pretty much 'well he's fast, but can he catch?'.

I stopped playing after high school, but I can tell you that my first year of peewee football (so around 8 I guess) we literally had one practice very early on where the coaches had everybody try throwing the football, running out for a pass, doing a little blocking, tackling, etc. to figure out what the hell we could all do.

Ghost of Reagan Past
Oct 7, 2003

rock and roll fun

VOTE1 posted:

As an Australian who now cant watch Ice Hockey, i'm taking up supporting the 49'ers because well 49 is a cool number or something, also they won the first game I watched.. Anyway couple of quick questions.

At what point in a players career do they determine their position? For instance can you tell at age 11 that Jimmy should be a Outside line backer rather than a inside line backer? Or a Corner vs a Safety? Likewise is the decision between corner back and WR pretty much 'well he's fast, but can he catch?'.

I guess a second question is do players move around positions during their career? Ie will a safety or corner ever change into a wide receiver?
The standard positions people move around to/from are on the defense or the offensive line. Mike Pouncey played guard at Florida, and his brother, Maurkice, played center...until Maurkice was drafted and Mike moved into the center. Mike Pouncey is now the center for the Dolphins.

On defense, many college 4-3 defensive ends move to outside linebacker in the 3-4. For example, Houston's Brooks Reed played defensive end in college, and is now an outside linebacker. And for further hilarity, he played fullback in high school (I had actually played fullback before he came to high school, but I quit the team so I never played with him). In other Texans "position switching" news, JJ Watt was a tight end before he went to Wisconsin.

Antwaan Randle El and Hines Ward both played QB in college, though Ward also played receiver. And new Dolphins QB Ryan Tannehill owns some Texas A&M receiving records.

McKracken
Jun 17, 2005

Lets go for a run!

VOTE1 posted:

At what point in a players career do they determine their position? For instance can you tell at age 11 that Jimmy should be a Outside line backer rather than a inside line backer? Or a Corner vs a Safety? Likewise is the decision between corner back and WR pretty much 'well he's fast, but can he catch?'.

I guess a second question is do players move around positions during their career? Ie will a safety or corner ever change into a wide receiver?

There's no real right answer to this because of how diverse and varied the individual experience of organized football can be from youth through college.

In middle school and high school you want your best athletes touching the ball as often as possible, and the type of offense you run will dictate their position to an extent. Or a coach might believe a kid has prototypical halfback measurables and was born to run in a power I scheme. Or a kid might have already demonstrated extraordinary ability at a position of preference and the coach might let it be while altering his scheme to take advantage of a future all american. Younger players might also be switched around between skill positions at will depending on year to year depth, since that's something you have little control of at high school and below. There's just a ton of variables that go into determining what position someone plays.

Once you get to the college level your position becomes a little bit more static but there are of course exceptions. A defensive lineman might have played the first 2 seasons as a 3 DT but gets kicked out to a 5/7 DE t as a junior either because the DC changes the defense or to fill a gap left by a graduated senior. It's not uncommon to convert gifted athletes to other positions if they are buried under the depth chart at their original position. There's also some fidgeting with freshman who might have played at a position in high school they were able to dominate due to athletic advantage, but in college lack a certain measurable. Larger TE's who don't have the athleticism to excel in the pass game at higher levels are often converted to tackle, for example. Again this is quite varied depending on the coaching staff and schemes they run and their current depth. Very often one school will recruit one player as a RB while another school will recruit the same kid as a CB. There's a definite advantage to not routinely switching guys positions around, because at the college level they need a few years of practice to refine position specific technique and skills to develop their potential.

Blackula69
Apr 1, 2007

DEHUMANIZE  YOURSELF  &  FACE  TO  BLACULA
And there are certain physical limitations to many positions that slot a guy in at one thing or another - someone line Terrell Suggs was never going to be anything but an outside linebacker/DE (but even then a 9-tech or whatever).

Ronde and Tiki Barber are good examples of versatility though. Identical twins at 5'10" 215lbs who played CB and RB, they could each have played the others' position. But one's an idiot and one's still making plays so

Cat Hassler
Feb 7, 2006

Slippery Tilde
Which team won the voting for best old school logo in that thread from way back? I remember the drunken 49er miner guy with pistols was in the running, also the alcoholic world-weary Seahawk and Buccaneer Bruce.

bvlah
Aug 21, 2003
A stupid typo
Is there a big difference for linemen starting from a three point stance to a four point stance?

Chichevache
Feb 17, 2010

One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

Withdrawal Plans posted:

Which team won the voting for best old school logo in that thread from way back? I remember the drunken 49er miner guy with pistols was in the running, also the alcoholic world-weary Seahawk and Buccaneer Bruce.

Old school Seahawk won. He beat out the Browns Brownie I believe.

Blackula69
Apr 1, 2007

DEHUMANIZE  YOURSELF  &  FACE  TO  BLACULA

bvlah posted:

Is there a big difference for linemen starting from a three point stance to a four point stance?
Very, sort of. 4-point is usually only used for bull-rushes or straight speed plays, but it's very easy to get washed out by a block because of the way you balance coming out of it. If a d-lineman is in a 4-pt, they're not going to be doing anything except pushing upfield.

VOTE1
Aug 23, 2007

Thanks for the answers guys.

Cat Hassler
Feb 7, 2006

Slippery Tilde

Chichevache posted:

Old school Seahawk won. He beat out the Browns Brownie I believe.

Thanks man - like the new avatar!

Chichevache
Feb 17, 2010

One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

Withdrawal Plans posted:

Thanks man - like the new avatar!

Pete Carroll is the poo poo. I love him, gently caress the haters thnk you.

bigfoot again
Apr 24, 2007

I would I know a stretch play if I saw one?

Grittybeard
Mar 29, 2010

Bad, very bad!

BIGFOOT PEE BED posted:

I would I know a stretch play if I saw one?

Uh, I don't know? But here's more info than you probably need to know about the Peyton Colts version of it.

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

has it ever been clarified what is defined as a rivals pun or not?

I know that calling Tony Romo, "Tony Homo" is frowned upon, and rightfully so.

If it's something like calling Marshawn Lynch "Beast Mode", or Chan Gailey "5chan Gailey" from ksk is that cool?

Grittybeard
Mar 29, 2010

Bad, very bad!
Rivals puns are how we refer to insulting low effort puns on player names or team names. Beast Mode isn't bad since it's a complimentary thing. If I referred to New Orleans as the Aints or Oklahoma as Chokelahoma those are things that aren't cool. Or Tim Tebow as Tim Teblow or something.

e: Basically if you're trying to insult something by changing it's name you're probably not doing a funny thing.

And this is the perfect example of the wrong thing to do:

quote:

so much for robert griffin the turd being the deadskins savior

Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Sep 23, 2012

davecrazy
Nov 25, 2004

I'm an insufferable shitposter who does not deserve to root for such a good team. Also, this is what Matt Harvey thinks of me and my garbage posting.
A guys actual nickname isint some dumb play on words meant to insult them.

Chichevache
Feb 17, 2010

One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

davecrazy posted:

A guys actual nickname isint some dumb play on words meant to insult them.

What about really bad Berman names like Stephen "Running for the" Hills?

R.D. Mangles
Jan 10, 2004


Perm Edwards was my favorite because it was so nonsensical.

Dr. Quigley
Jun 28, 2008

9/24/2012 never forget:qq:
I meant to ask this on Sunday, but I think I saw a kicker hand a ref the ball after it had blown off the tee following a score. I think the ref handed it back to the kicker who then placed it back on the tee. Maybe I saw things wrong, but does the ref have to have/inspect the ball before it is placed on the tee (or on the LoS) in order to ensure it hasn't been tampered with or something? If it blows off the tee, why can't the kicker simply walk up and correct it himself (or can he)?

Trin Tragula
Apr 22, 2005

They do it that way in the NFL because of how the play clock works on a free kick; you'll see the B hand the ball to the kicker and then make a twirling motion with his hand before he runs away to the sideline; the 25-second clock starts, and then the R waits for the B to reach the sideline before he gives the RFP to let the kicker actually kick it, with the play clock at about 20 or 19. Apparently it saves a few seconds each time, and when the real officials are at work the NFL is terrifyingly good at getting its games to finish in their magical 2hr50min-3hr20min window, so I'm prepared to believe it does actually have an effect.

Zone of Danger
Apr 21, 2010
So I was reading that the officials gave the Packers the wrong type of ball last night when they were attempting their 2-point conversion. Obviously not their biggest complaint from the evening, but why do they use a different ball for kicking downs as opposed to passing downs? Could the center have requested a different ball in that situation? Also, wouldn't this add to the difficulty of faking kick plays? I assume they are easier to kick or something, but it seems like it would cause some problems even if the right type of ball was always in play.

drunk leprechaun
May 7, 2007
sobriety is for the weak and the stupid

Zone of Danger posted:

So I was reading that the officials gave the Packers the wrong type of ball last night when they were attempting their 2-point conversion. Obviously not their biggest complaint from the evening, but why do they use a different ball for kicking downs as opposed to passing downs? Could the center have requested a different ball in that situation? Also, wouldn't this add to the difficulty of faking kick plays? I assume they are easier to kick or something, but it seems like it would cause some problems even if the right type of ball was always in play.

A few years ago the Cowboys lost a game on a botched snap on a FG attempt that Romo blamed on the ball. They use new balls that are takier for kicking to help out the holders because of this.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

drunk leprechaun posted:

A few years ago the Cowboys lost a game on a botched snap on a FG attempt that Romo blamed on the ball. They use new balls that are takier for kicking to help out the holders because of this.

Nah that's not it. Kickers were doctoring balls for competitive advantages so they now have the league control the kicking balls. Happened in the late-90s when Romo was in high school.

Quarterbacks are often extremely anal about breaking in balls their own specific way based on their hand placement. From his comments I suspect Rodgers is one of them and throwing with an unfamiliar ball was a problem for him.

drunk leprechaun
May 7, 2007
sobriety is for the weak and the stupid

jeffersonlives posted:

Nah that's not it. Kickers were doctoring balls for competitive advantages so they now have the league control the kicking balls. Happened in the late-90s when Romo was in high school.

Quarterbacks are often extremely anal about breaking in balls their own specific way based on their hand placement. From his comments I suspect Rodgers is one of them and throwing with an unfamiliar ball was a problem for him.

I remember the "K-balls" being talked about a lot after that game. My memory was that they were new at the time, but I am probably wrong.

Trin Tragula
Apr 22, 2005

Here's a fantastic SI article they wrote in 1999, the first year of the K-ball.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1017189/1/index.htm

quote:

Who knew? Who knew that footballs had such a turbulent secret life? Volumes have been written about scuffed or juiced-up baseballs, paeans have been sung to red-white-and-blue basketballs, entire belief systems have been tied to titanium-filled golf balls, but until recently all we thought about footballs was that they are damned hard to dribble. It turns out that the Wilson football, which NFL teams have been kicking around since 1941, has quite a checkered past, one that heretofore had been whispered about only in equipment rooms. Footballs have been steam-bathed, baked in aluminum foil, dunked in water, brushed with wire, bonked with hammers, buffed with strips of artificial turf, jumped on, shot out of Jugs machines, pounded into me walls or racquetball courts, inflated and deflated more often than Oprah Winfrey, Armor All-ed, shoe-polished and lemonaded, crushed under weightlifting plates and, like a female wrestler at a county fair, dunked in evaporated milk. Maybe even microwaved.

These revelations have come to light in this, the first season of the K ball. Alarmed that kickers, in clandestine cahoots with equipment men, ball boys and quarterbacks, were doing everything but sautéing footballs and plating them up with a nice port wine reduction, the NFL's competition committee took action before this season. It passed a measure mandating that 12 game balls, inscribed with the letter K and sent out in boxes sealed with antitampering tape, would be used exclusively by punters and kickers during games. A box of the balls is delivered to the officials' room about 2½ hours before kick-off, and only then are the balls removed from their individual plastic bags.

Crunkjuice
Apr 4, 2007

That could've gotten in my eye!
*launches teargas at unarmed protestors*

I THINK OAKLAND PD'S USE OF EXCESSIVE FORCE WAS JUSTIFIED!
In light of all the fun ref stuff thats been happening, how do refs get selected for which games they officiate? Lets say NFL. To be a ref, they obviously have to be a big fan of the sport, and they have to have some allegiance to some team. If a ref admits to being a cowboys fan, does he never officiate and NFC east games? NFC all together? Do they just keep it to themselves?

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Trin Tragula
Apr 22, 2005

You're asked when you join the league if you support anyone. What they then do is go round your old high school association, and all the guys who white-hatted crews you worked on, and say "hey, is Steve a fan of any of our teams?" If for some mysterious reason the answer should differ from what you told them, they tell you to gently caress off. Assuming you're not a lying bastard, you don't work their games, or any games at the sharp end of the season that could directly affect how they finish.

I'd also like to think that the kind of guy who'd want to become an NFL official so he could screw over the Cowboys is the same kind of guy who wouldn't have the patience to spend 25 years calling high school and college ball before he got the chance; but then, Nature is always building faster, better idiots, so.

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