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whydirt posted:Nope, we do 3x RtR, then 3x Gatecrash, then finally RtR, Gatecrash, Sinker The last one is Sinker, GTC, RTR in that order.
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So I've been tuning this multicolor cube for a while now and need some advice: How do I curb the power of white, especially W/R and W/G? I've been generally trying to buff U/R and B/R, but theres a lot of mana dependence on lots of double mana and we're trying to avoid that.
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GP event at my FLGS tomorrow afternoon. It'll be my first.  It's now a standard sealed, instead of the team event it was originally planned as being. I think it's 6xM13. Any tips? Would it be worth it to get onto MTGO after FNM tonight and run through a similar event there? Other than BREW, and leaning towards Exalted which seems to get there for me in M13, is there anything I should be on the lookout for?
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Sep 21, 2012 15:52
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BlueInkAlchemist posted:GP event at my FLGS tomorrow afternoon. It'll be my first. Sealed depends so heavily on your pool. Try to play your bombs if you can. Don't try to 'splash' anything that costs more than one colored mana. Try to play all your removal since it's at a premium. Exalted is really good. Sealed tends to be slower than draft so you can plan on games going longer. That's all that I can think of off the top of my head.
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So are there any downright unplayable limited cards in RTR along the lines of Bountiful Harvest or Serpent's Gift? Search Warrant looks pretty bad, and Destroy the Evidence seems extremely marginal for the mana even in a dedicated mill deck.
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Aquus Steed seems like the worst creature in the set. Both its casting cost and activated ability seem way under the curve. It might end up in some sealed decks just due to a lack of blue bodies in your pool to go with your sweet bombs, but I can't see it getting played in draft unless you really screwed up.
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whydirt posted:Aquus Steed seems like the worst creature in the set. Both its casting cost and activated ability seem way under the curve. It might end up in some sealed decks just due to a lack of bodies in your pool, but I can't see it getting played in draft unless you really screwed up. Yeah, that's very much a bad 23rd card. That kind of ability isn't great to begin with even when it isn't overcosted. I wonder how playable even Downsize is.
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Sep 21, 2012 17:20
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I think you're undervaluing the ability. Costing a card, sure no, but being repeatable and tied to even a marginally relevant P/T it has the potential to make both attacker and blocker options worse for opponent every turn if you have any board presence beyond it. The main issue I see is the ability cost, which really is pretty high. Edit: In the back end of creature ranking for sure, but I wouldn't say it is worst.
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leaning on exalted can be a powerful stratergy but it really requires a saturation of correct cards. It can work in lower numbers, but it seems like people have caught on to how to deal with it and maindecking chandras fury is far from uncommon (and is a total blowout against exalted). The safest thing you can do no matter what sealed pool you get is play a ton of creatures and keep your curve on the lower side. You'll want to have a strong early presence and a few key cards in the late game (even something like vastwood gorger). m13, unsuprisingly, is largely decided by creature quality and dealing with serious threats.
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Sep 21, 2012 18:07
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Entropic posted:So are there any downright unplayable limited cards in RTR along the lines of Bountiful Harvest or Serpent's Gift? Search the City. Pray you do not get that as your rare.
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Sep 21, 2012 18:33
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meanolmrcloud posted:leaning on exalted can be a powerful stratergy but it really requires a saturation of correct cards. It can work in lower numbers, but it seems like people have caught on to how to deal with it and maindecking chandras fury is far from uncommon (and is a total blowout against exalted). Yeah, whenever I see someone in red with 5 untapped mana passing priority to me, I get very nervous if I went heavily for Exalted. I do appreciate the advice and will be hoping for some high-quality creatures in my packs.
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Sep 21, 2012 18:43
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legoman727 posted:Search the City. Pray you do not get that as your rare. There's a few really bad (at least for limited) rares. I was more wondering what commons / uncommons will be the last pick you see from every pack. M13 drafting it seems like every single 14th pick is one of Bountiful Harvest, Craterize, Serpent's Gift, Clock of Omens or Angel's Mercy.
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Sep 21, 2012 19:12
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There are a lot of very marginal cards but maybe not a ton of Angel's Mercy cards. Chronic Flooding, Destroy the Evidence and Survey the Wreckage all seem like very likely 14th picks.
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I really doubt Fall of the Gavel is good enough for limited. Chemister's trick doesnt seem great. Im not sure there are good enough blockers in UR to make it profitable. People raved about courtly provocateur so I might be wrong here. Same goes for downsize. I really cant see this card being limited viable. Im not convinced theres a good mill archetype in this format, so Psychic spiral isnt probably good enough. Ill take this back if defenders.dec becomes an archetype and you can get milled by
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Entropic posted:Yeah, that's very much a bad 23rd card. That kind of ability isn't great to begin with even when it isn't overcosted. I wonder how playable even Downsize is. I partially disagree - Saltfield Recluse was one of the best commons in Planar Chaos for limited because the threat of that ability makes combat an absolute nightmare for your opponent. I think that's the reason why the creature and ability are so expensive (and I agree that they are a little too expensive), but the problem is with the specific card, not the ability, and it's still better than 23rd card quality.
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Sep 21, 2012 21:54
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Chronic Flooding seems like a really efficient card for some sort of constructed self-mill deck, but I don't see it doing much in this Limited format.
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It's a great ability on a creature, but a 4-mana utility guy is a lot harder to work into your deck than a 3-mana utility guy, and leaving 3 mana up for the ability is way harder than leaving no mana up. Those both sound stupidly obvious but it's the difference between a 3-mana pinger and a 4-mana pinger that costs 3 to activate its ability-- the first is great, the second is awful. I agree that the spirit of the card is great in limited, but I don't see it really making the cut in RTR decks(unless the card quality is way lower than I think it is on first impression). For that cost they really should've made it Horn of Deafening at least!
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Jet Set Jettison posted:I really doubt Fall of the Gavel is good enough for limited. I suspect it is a "hey he has a late card I flat out lose to and don't have enough answers for" sideboard card. quote:Chemister's trick doesnt seem great. Im not sure there are good enough blockers in UR to make it profitable. People raved about courtly provocateur so I might be wrong here. I think it looks decent. It does require certain kind of board state, but being forced to make an attack with everything, at power minus, and possibly have it followed by devastating attack back has pretty big potential. I wouldn't limit my thinking to UR. quote:Same goes for downsize. I really cant see this card being limited viable. I don't remember seeing Hysterical Blindness played in Innistrad limited. Downsize is more flexible with the normal mode costing U, which is much more sensible amount of mana to have up, but you still have to be setting up a trade or something to get value out of it. I guess you could sideboard it in against aggro enough deck, expecting block something dead with a pseudo-Angel's Mercy on top. quote:Im not convinced theres a good mill archetype in this format, so Psychic spiral isnt probably good enough. Ill take this back if defenders.dec becomes an archetype and you can get milled by Mill has the same issue mill (of the non-self mill variety) had in Innistrad: as there is a viable graveyard mechanic, worst case scenario is that you're just giving gas to your opponent by going for you wincon. Trying to mill out deck heavily leaning on Scavenge will get pretty goddamn ugly. I don't think Psychic Spiral is something even a mill deck wants, because it is so very unreliable. You would need to somehow make sure you get enough out of it, and lack of Mind Sculpt like mill cards to fill your grave and actually get back to your deck and possibly draw again is big hit against it. I suspect actual realistic milling wincon might come with Dimir in Gatecrash, and in full block draft. I could imagine two scenarios where I might try Psychic Spiral: From sideboard in some control-control matchup I feel that easily stalls to replace something that is really bad in that matchup, the mill "drain" in late game probably makes sure you are not the one losing on decking and might give you some quality edge in the topdeck race (down a card to start with, though). Or splash in some Golgari base deck that has gone all in on Grisly Salvages and like. But that sounds pretty drat dubious.
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So I'm playing an M13 swiss draft and build a fairly crappy UW deck. I lose the first round to rancor on a knight of infamy. Next round I play a guy with a half decent black blue deck with a vampire nocturnus I accidentally did not essence scatter. I won game one. Game two really highlighted why you don't want to play Index.
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So I finally broke down and got an MTGO account. Played a couple new player event drafts. Thoughts: Xathrid Gorgon is a stupid, stupid card. Two games I was down to like 6 or less life, dropped Gorgon, blocked for like 10 turns while petrifying things, then won with a single flier. DUUUUMB.
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My favorite thing to do is take Index late and hope I open Talarand (I never do).
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Oh god, I think I've gone 4 drafts without winning a match now. I should just stop trying.  I just finished a swiss and went 0-3. My deck wasn't even that bad, double prey upons, double rummaging goblins, arms dealer, I just never got the right card when I needed them. (I also probably played badly)
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Kabanaw posted:Oh god, I think I've gone 4 drafts without winning a match now. I should just stop trying. In my experience rummaging goblin is not a card you want two of. What did your list look like?
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If you really want to mill I think you go in on the Doorkeeper Defender deck. You can go Blue/Green or Blue/Red or hell, all three. Blue has Doorkeeper (common) and Hover Barrier (uncommon). Green has Gatekeeper Vine (common) and Axebane Guardian (common). Red has Lobber Crew (common). The two green guys even help with the mana.
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More (Modern Peasant) Cubechat! Since Modern lacks the cheap black reanimators found in old-frame cards, it doesn't seem like I can make that a strong archtype. In order to add some depth to the color, I was thinking of pushing a discard archtype using The Rack and the new Shrieking Affliction from RtR. Would the cards below be enough to enable this as a draftable archtype (assuming a standard cube size of 360)? Existing Discard Duress Inquisition of Kozilek Augur of Skulls Liliana's Specter Chittering Rats Entomber Exarch Okiba-Gang Shinobi Blightning Possible Additions Ravenous Rats Mind Rot Honden of Night's Reach (Assuming I do test out the Honden cycle anyway)
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I don't know about making it a draftable archetype, but you should consider Wrench Mind and Cry of Contrition as well.
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LeafHouse posted:In my experience rummaging goblin is not a card you want two of. What did your list look like? I mostly had the second rummaging goblin in there as fuel for the arms dealer. There weren't many creatues I would have played over that, to be honest. And since my curve was low enough I was pretty content with throwing away any lands once I hit five. It was red/green with a pretty low curve, mostly two and three drops curving out at 5. Double bladetusk boars, mogg flunkies, double timberpack wolves, sentinel spider, rancor, double prey upon, double plummet, and a naturalize in the sideboard. I don't think I mulliganed well, either. A lot of games I kept hands with 5 lands and no creatures and hoped that some of my two and three drops would start coming in, and I probably should have gone to 6 to find some creatures, since my deck needed to get in quick.
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Kabanaw posted:A lot of games I kept hands with 5 lands and no creatures and hoped that some of my two and three drops would start coming in, and I probably should have gone to 6 to find some creatures, since my deck needed to get in quick.
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Against my better judgment, I made a thread for my cube over on MTGSalvation so that I don't fill this thread with cubechat that other people likely aren't interested in. If you are interested in budget/peasant cubing, please check it out and post if you have any suggestions! http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=449670
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Managed to make a mill deck in my first for real draft of M13 on MTGO. Two mind sculpt, two entrancer, archaeomancer, divinations, the works. First round: opponent has a Sands of Delirium and I lose 0-2 
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FLEXBONER posted:Managed to make a mill deck in my first for real draft of M13 on MTGO. Two mind sculpt, two entrancer, archaeomancer, divinations, the works. First round: opponent has a Sands of Delirium and I lose 0-2 Reminder that Sands of Delirium was nearly printed at Uncommon. Wouldn't that have been swell!
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rabidsquid posted:Reminder that Sands of Delirium was nearly printed at Uncommon. Wouldn't that have been swell! Match 2: milled out by Jace. Neither of these guys had any other mill cards and all games were >12 turns. I loving hate my life.
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whydirt posted:Against my better judgment, I made a thread for my cube over on MTGSalvation so that I don't fill this thread with cubechat that other people likely aren't interested in. If you are interested in budget/peasant cubing, please check it out and post if you have any suggestions! Salvation's cube forum is actually solid, it's a real oasis.
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FLEXBONER posted:Managed to make a mill deck in my first for real draft of M13 on MTGO. Two mind sculpt, two entrancer, archaeomancer, divinations, the works. First round: opponent has a Sands of Delirium and I lose 0-2
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scribe jones posted:TOP TIP: don't draft the mill deck TOPPER TIP: The mill deck is very doable in M13
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scribe jones posted:TOP TIP: don't draft the mill deck TOPPEST TIP: in draft, unless you have the sands or the jace, you did not draft the mill deck. Sands is a great card in any non-aggro draft deck.
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Mezzanon posted:TOPPEST TIP: in draft, unless you have the sands or the jace, you did not draft the mill deck. Sands is a great card in any non-aggro draft deck. SUPER TOP TIP NO TAKEBACKS http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/channel-lsv-m13-draft-10/
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Lord Of Texas posted:SUPER TOP TIP NO TAKEBACKS http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/channel-lsv-m13-draft-10/ I had basically this exact deck.
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LeafHouse posted:In my experience rummaging goblin is not a card you want two of. What did your list look like? In a deck that actually wants Rummaging Goblin (ie, NOT AN AGGRO DECK), the second Rummaging Goblin is fine. Because in that deck you want to get your Rummager as soon as possible, and if you get the second one you can just ditch it to the first. In M12, or any other previous format in the history of Limited Magic, I've never been a situation where I said "I don't want more than 1 Merfolk Looter", and the Goblin one is only marginally worse.
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