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daggerdragon posted:Is it going to be as badass as riding a freaking zombie dinosaur??? I certainly hope so! In order, my favorite 3 books in the series are Turn Coat, Small Favor, Changes. Riding a zombie dinosaur was amazing, but these three books are riding a metaphorical zombie dinosaur the whole way through. They are just fantastic.
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fermun posted:In order, my favorite 3 books in the series are Turn Coat, Small Favor, Changes. Riding a zombie dinosaur was amazing, but these three books are riding a metaphorical zombie dinosaur the whole way through. They are just fantastic. As long as we're being metaphorical, this part of the series so far is riding a zombie dinosaur made of zombie dinosaurs that are on fire.
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Error 404 posted:As long as we're being metaphorical, this part of the series so far is riding a zombie dinosaur made of zombie dinosaurs that are on fire. The metaphorical zombie dinosaur was on fire, and it wasn't my fault.
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Sep 23, 2012 21:26
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daggerdragon posted:Is it going to be as badass as riding a freaking zombie dinosaur??? I certainly hope so! You still have 3 of the 4 best books in the series ahead of you
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daggerdragon posted:Well. I had expected Lasciel to last longer than she did. However, I'm pretty sure she's not gone and she'll be back in full glory, gunning for Harry. Not Lasciel. Lash 
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ConfusedUs posted:Turn Coat may be my favorite in the whole series. It's a tossup between Turn Coat and Small Favor for me, but I'm pretty sure that Turn Coat was the one where I had to call in sick the day after I bought it because I accidentally stayed up all night reading.
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docbeard posted:It's a tossup between Turn Coat and Small Favor for me, but I'm pretty sure that Turn Coat was the one where I had to call in sick the day after I bought it because I accidentally stayed up all night reading. They're both really good. I'm also a huge fan of books 4 and 5 (Summer Knight and Death Masks). Dead Beat is awesome, too. Not a fan of Fool Moon, Blood Rites, or White Night--although White Night has grown on me somewhat.
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I started in on Fool Moon this morning. Harry spends the opening couple of chapters being mad at himself for not coming to Murphy sooner during the first book and explaining everything. He was so sorry for keeping her out the loop and promised not to lie to her again. Then he immediately ditches Murphy after that promise and tries to track down the Lobo killer using his blood tracking spell all by himself. 
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I'm on the Replica Prop Forum and Bob has been done a few times so far: http://www.therpf.com/f9/dresden-files-i-found-bobs-skull-completed-108158/ Bob http://www.therpf.com/f13/dresden-files-bobs-skull-replica-114786/ This guy was selling replicas for $120. http://www.therpf.com/f9/dresden-files-bob-skull-update-24997/ Extreme Closeup of carved Bob and show Doom Box and a dollhouse miniature recreation of part of Harry's Lab, shield bracelet and Molly's shield bracelet. http://www.therpf.com/f9/dresden-files-19803/ The show shield bracelet http://www.therpf.com/f40/dresden-files-67584/ Phone book listing http://www.therpf.com/f9/dresden-files-wizard-staff-replica-116963/ Staff (hockey stick) McBeth fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Sep 24, 2012 |
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Cartoon Man posted:I started in on Fool Moon this morning. Harry spends the opening couple of chapters being mad at himself for not coming to Murphy sooner during the first book and explaining everything. He was so sorry for keeping her out the loop and promised not to lie to her again. Harry is pretty bad at social interaction. He gets better but it takes him a long-rear end time. It's pretty reasonable considering he was an orphan who was raised by a sociopath wizard who intentionally kept him isolated from the world and a supernatural hitman but still. Dude takes a long-rear end time to get from "A dick at every possible opportunity" down to merely "A dick at every possible opportunity to people he dislikes."
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Talking about Changes in this post, so read no further if you haven't read it already. I remember in the last thread there was a long discussion about the blood curse the Reds were attempting to use, and exactly how it worked. I remember a fairly large inconsistency being that McCoy was the actual target of the spell, but for it to have actually gotten to him it would have had to skip a generation, if in fact Harry's mother was dead. Did that get satisfactorily explained?
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I don't think so, but earlier in the book, Dresden goes on a spiel about how there must be some sort of bond of parenthood that goes beyond simple blood - which is why he couldn't just track Maggie. Could be that it would affect McCoy regardless, due to him being Harry's father-figure.
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Mr. Bad Guy posted:
It kills all living ancestors. That's why since Susan was technically the youngest (just fully transformed a couple minutes before the sacrifice) it wiped out the entire Red Court. It's pretty explicitly stated.
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These books are like crack candy. My new charger won't be here until Wednesday, but I still found a desktop e-book reader and finished Small Favor. Murphy gets the Sword. That's what Michael and Sanya are talking about. RIGHT? OH COME ON, HARRY, YOU'RE GIVING THE loving SWORD TO NICODEMUS?! quote:"Maybe they'd crash the world economy. Maybe they'd turn every program on television into one of those reality shows." Nooooo, Michael!  He'll be fine. Butcher isn't GRRM. I hope.quote:"Nay, but prithee, with sprinkles 'pon it instead," I said solemnly, "and frosting of white." Murphy got the sword!  But is she going to take it? I don't think she will. Michael's going to retire, and Harry will be given Amoracchius to give to someone else (as well as Fidelacchius). ... dammit, I hate being right.Okay, conjecture time! I've been thinking about this since White Knight and it's really solidified my admittedly wild hypothesis when Harry learned from Bob about soulfire. White Knight = Thomas (White Court vampire, "knight" for the side of Good) Since Amoracchius = Excalibur, and Harry is now the custodian of it, that makes him Merlin v2. We've got the Black Court gathering power, and there's at least one mole inside the White Court. My hunch says it's one of the Senior Council, because there's no point to having an epic blow-out with a minor-league mook. Since Harry is now custodian of Amoracchius and a wielder of soulfire, and he's now got the attention of an archangel, let's say the mole is the current Merlin of the White Council. Since I'm going out on a limb here, there's either a secret 31st Blackened Denarian that the other Nickelheads don't know about, or it's an Outsider god of some sort taking up residence in/cooperating with the Merlin. We still have a lot of loose ends here: Mab's final request, Mavra, Kincaid's apparent demonic heritage, Marcone's new status as a freeholding lord, Lasciel's coin, the 11 coins Harry lost...
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daggerdragon posted:Although now I want to know how a 5' goat-fae just walks into a Chicagoian bakery and gets a donut... I'd have to assume he used Fae Glamour. He is a super-powerful wizard, as well as a high ranking member of the summer court, after all.
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daggerdragon posted:These books are like crack candy. My new charger won't be here until Wednesday, but I still found a desktop e-book reader and finished Small Favor. So close. Yet so far...
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daggerdragon posted:These books are like crack candy. Everytime a newbie joins us, a Wizard gets his staff. drat, but newbies to Dresden are like the cutest loving thing!
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daggerdragon posted:Nooooo, Michael! Do yourself a favor and read The Warrior right now if you've got Side Jobs. Michael got the best retirement plan possible for a Knight 
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r0ff13c0p73r posted:It kills all living ancestors. That's why since Susan was technically the youngest (just fully transformed a couple minutes before the sacrifice) it wiped out the entire Red Court. It's pretty explicitly stated. So, it doesn't kill ancestors, it kills ancestors and their descendants. The Red court wasn't a single line in which only the youngest vampire could sire a new one. That means the spell as intended would have wiped out all humanity. Actually, all life on earth.
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Poopy Palpy posted:So, it doesn't kill ancestors, it kills ancestors and their descendants. The Red court wasn't a single line in which only the youngest vampire could sire a new one. That means the spell as intended would have wiped out all humanity. Actually, all life on earth. Why do people insist in being so technical? It's magic. It's explicitly based entirely on the users intent. In this case the intent is to kill the family of the sacrifice.
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Technically if Adam and Eve are real in the DF then wouldn't that bloodline curse have killed off all of humanity and destroyed the red court's food supply?
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Poopy Palpy posted:So, it doesn't kill ancestors, it kills ancestors and their descendants. The Red court wasn't a single line in which only the youngest vampire could sire a new one. That means the spell as intended would have wiped out all humanity. Actually, all life on earth. SERIOUSLY SPOILER YOU DONT WANT TO READ THIS IF YOU ARENT FINISHED YET Go back and re-read, Bob actually talks about this. It all has to do with how similar the "bloodline" is. The Red Court actually had a fairly "short" family tree -- only the nobility were allowed to create new vampires, and vampires reproduce asexually (that is, only one vampire parent), so all the red court shared identical blood, and the whole ancestral tree was still alive, too, to get hit by & further trigger the spell. With humans it's different for a few reasons; human "bloodlines" are a lot more mixed and attenuated, because of, well, sexual reproduction. Harry's distant ancestors aren't all still alive, which might limit the spell's ability to kill them and their respective descendants. Even if it did, there's a dilution point where it just wouldn't work as well because other humans just aren't part of the same bloodline Harry is. For an analogy, the bloodline curse is fire. Human bloodlines are wood. Vampire bloodlines are oil.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:
This is so much better than "it's magic, it just works". Give me an analogy, no matter how strained, and I'll buy any sort of magic from fantastical to Clarke's third law.
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Poopy Palpy posted:This is so much better than "it's magic, it just works". Give me an analogy, no matter how strained, and I'll buy any sort of magic from fantastical to Clarke's third law. Fair enough.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:
All Red Court are one family, because of the magic that turns you into a Red Court Vampire, the youngest vampire is the scion of the entire family. Yes, that's a OMG JUST MAGIC! answer, but when I was reading it I really wasn't looking for a in depth 20 page dossier of why exactly that is.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:
I don't have much to add to the curse discussion, but wanted to say that this was very nicely put.
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daggerdragon posted:She's also inconsistently portrayed - she can create a glamour that Harry can't even sense, which apparently takes a lot of fine control, but she can't even telekinetically hold up a couple beads on a string? It's the difference between painting a countryside scene in watercolor and kicking down a wooden door.
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NovemberMike posted:It's the difference between painting a countryside scene in watercolor and kicking down a wooden door. I think that part of the misunderstanding is that it doesn't get put that way until the next book, when Harry discusses how he's a heavyweight in the sense of having a lot of raw power to throw around and he isn't so good at "delicate" magic
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Zola posted:I think that part of the misunderstanding is that it doesn't get put that way until the next book, when Harry discusses how he's a heavyweight in the sense of having a lot of raw power to throw around and he isn't so good at "delicate" magic And then in Ghost Story she brings up how she only has a water pistol compared to his fire hose o' power, hence needing to get... creative as the Ragged Lady.
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keiran_helcyan posted:Sword speculation Murphy will get the katana sword because I swear she had a katana in her apartment, she likes martial arts, and she used that sword already at the conclusion of Changes. Thomas will wield the sword of love because it thematically fits with his struggling against his incubus nature, also his father was the White KING. Regarding Murphy, those reasons are exactly why I believe she should wield Fidelacchius, but also because of how she appears when Harry uses his Sight. Good call on Thomas and Amoracchius though. Dr. MonkeyThunder posted:I don't think he's corrupted enough for that, even if he was it would go back to normal after he was done. I meant it more along the line that Harry may not be in the best of mental states as the Winter Knight, thus he might not be using the swords with the purest intentions in mind in such a situation. Therefore, they go kaput. Spoilerrific!
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This is dumb and falls concretely into the "Duh, it's just a book" area, but I just thought of it and wanted to share. I was thinking that the whole "Wizards Age Slowly" bit was cool because Butcher seems to move the world along at real time around Harry, so the Carpenter kids and the Archive grow up, and the people around him change...with one exception. Murphy. Murphy starts off book one as a LT and a Department Head, so she would have HAD to have been in her late 20s, assuming she got on the cops when she was 18, promoted at the earliest opportunity every time, to make it through Patrol, Detective, Detective Sgt, and LT (at least). Promoted 4 grades into command in 10 years is probably about as quickly as administratively possible, so by the last book she should be over 40. It doesn't really matter, but I just happened to think about it. I'm going to guess that this is just probably a newbie author mistake that Butcher ended up stuck with. "Oh, my cop contact will be the boss of the cops that deal with the spooky stuff" never thinking that he'd still be writing the books 15 years later and having that much time pass in-world. In a way, it's too bad, because it would have been fun seeing Rookie Detective Karrin Murphy newly exiled to the Spook Squad for telling the truth and watching her learn the ins and outs from day one as she worked her way up to command, just to get it taken away from her.
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navyjack posted:This is dumb and falls concretely into the "Duh, it's just a book" area, but I just thought of it and wanted to share. I think she's explicitly a few years older than Harry, right? And he was 25ish in Storm Front.
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AllTerrineVehicle posted:Maybe Harry's wizardly anti-aging projects onto his ONE TRUE SOULMATE Mister?
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404GoonNotFound posted:Mister? Of course. Who else would I be talking about?  Actually Mister has got to be one old-rear end cat by now, so that might have some weight.
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ConfusedUs posted:I think she's explicitly a few years older than Harry, right? And he was 25ish in Storm Front. According to Wikipedia, Murphy was early 30s in Storm Front, so she should be almost 50. And Mister, if he was only barely adult is like 16. Fogey age for a housecat. At least Mouse is a semi-immortal special magic dog.
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Zola posted:I think that part of the misunderstanding is that it doesn't get put that way until the next book, when Harry discusses how he's a heavyweight in the sense of having a lot of raw power to throw around and he isn't so good at "delicate" magic You're all forgetting the part where it is explained that Harry put an enchantment on the bracelet so that Molly could never lift the beads until she was in the "right" mindset for why she should be joining Harry in a fight--that she isn't doing it because she is spoiling to fight, but because she cannot ignore the fight and must do something to help, and believing that not helping would cost more lives than it would save, or something. I forget the actual scene, but once the beads fall apart Harry explains what he did.
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navyjack posted:According to Wikipedia, Murphy was early 30s in Storm Front, so she should be almost 50. And Mister, if he was only barely adult is like 16. Fogey age for a housecat. At least Mouse is a semi-immortal special magic dog. Mister is half grimalkin.
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