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Quarex posted:It really is kind of sad. I remember the infamous J.R. quote "how many times can you repackage a guy like Davey Boy Smith?" and yet I am pretty sure if he had come out during the attitude era with his braided hair, over-the-top Union Jack gear, and bulldog, he would have been instantly over again, even if it might not have lasted. It probably still would have gotten him more over than the gimmick of " Fixed. Has Smith ever teamed with Goldust?
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Grendels Dad posted:Fixed. Has Smith ever teamed with Goldust? He teamed with Dustin at Fall Brawl 93, which hardly counts. Profightdb is awesome.
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Speaking of Profightdb  I was looking to see who has lost clean on TV the most out of Hogan, Undertaker and Cena after their first title wins in WWF/E. My memory is shot on a few of these and I don't want to pull out my tapes/DVDs so I was curious about a few and have listed the ones in question below. Full list here.Hogan: Undertaker at Judgement Day 2002 (clean?) HHH at 6/4/2002 Smackdown (clean?) The Rock at No Way Out 2003 (clean?) Undertaker: Mabel at KOTR 1995 (via pin but I can't remember how) Vader at Royal Rumble 1997 (clean?) Kane at 6/1/1998 RAW (not remembering this at all) Steve Austin at RAW 6/28/1999 (clean?) Kurt Angle at Survivor Series 2000 (clean?) Rikishi at RAW 12/4/2000 (this can't be clean?) Booker T at RAW 9/10/01 (this can't be clean?) The Rock at No Way Out 2002 (clean?) HHH at RAW 8/26/2002 (clean?) John Cena at Smackdown 4/8/2003 (clean?) John Cena at Smackdown 8/5/2003 (clean?) Batista at Cyber Sunday 2007 (clean? probably not since next match was HIAC) The Big Show at No Mercy 08 KO (clean?) Chris Jericho 2/9/2010 Smackdown (clean?) John Cena: Kurt Angle at RAW 10/24/2005 (just says defeated but not how) Umaga at RAW 7/17/2006 (clean?) The Great Khali SNME 5/28/2007 (clean?) Carlito RAW 7/30/2007 (clean?) Orton RAW 5/12/2008 (clean?) HHH Night of Champions 6/29/2008 (clean?) HBK RAW 1/12/2009 (clean?) Big Show Smackdown 2/17/2009 (clean?) Big Show RAW 3/30/2009 (clean?) Big Show RAW 6/22/2009 (clean?) HHH RAW 10/19/2009 (clean?) Edge RAW 9/10/2010 (clean?) Wade Barrett HIAC 2010 (clean?) Miz RAW 10/11/2010 (clean?) CM Punk RAW 2/14/2011 (clean?) CM Punk 6/13/2011 RAW (clean?) R-Truth 6/27/2011 RAW (probably not clean) It's Hogan by a long shot for least amount of clean losses, shocking! I might do this with Austin as well but this took way too long to put together.
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Sep 27, 2012 22:01
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Steve Austin at RAW 6/28/1999 (clean?) - I can't say for sure off the top of my head, but it is VERY unlikely Austin beat Taker clean on free TV in 1999. I watched all those episodes last year and pretty much every main event ended in tomfoolery. Kurt Angle at Survivor Series 2000 (clean?) - Was this the one where Kurt had Eric hiding under the ring and they did the switch?
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Sep 27, 2012 22:05
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Was there ever a clean finish in 1999 in any match?
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Sep 27, 2012 22:13
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triplexpac posted:Kurt Angle at Survivor Series 2000 (clean?) I'm pretty sure that was on SmackDown, and it was Lesnar that ate the pin/was in the feud, not Taker.
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Sep 27, 2012 22:14
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Paulocaust posted:I'm pretty sure that was on SmackDown, and it was Lesnar that ate the pin/was in the feud, not Taker. We are both right  Eric Angle debuted in World Wrestling Federation (WWF) at the 2000 Survivor Series pay-per-view as a heel helping his brother then-heel, Kurt Angle retain the WWF Championship against The Undertaker by wearing the same wrestling tights and switching places.[2] He returned the next night on Raw only to be attacked by The Undertaker. Eric Angle returned to WWE television on an episode of SmackDown! in 2003 to aid in a storyline between his brother and then-babyface, Brock Lesnar leading to a match at WrestleMania XIX between Lesnar and Kurt.[4] Eric switched places with Kurt to help him defeat Lesnar and retain his WWE Championship. He then appeared on an episode of SmackDown! the following week at his brother's side and was attacked by Lesnar. This was the last time Angle was seen in WWE as he was released from his developmental contract in 2003.
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triplexpac posted:Kurt Angle at Survivor Series 2000 (clean?) Yes, there was also a run in from Edge & Christian.
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I'll answer the few I know off hand, or think I know off hand but don't.Bearnt! posted:Undertaker:
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Paulocaust posted:I'm pretty sure that was on SmackDown, and it was Lesnar that ate the pin/was in the feud, not Taker. Nope, SS 2000 was definently the Kurt/Eric Angle switch EDIT: Beaten, and with detail.
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triplexpac posted:We are both right Weird, I don't even remember that first one, although I do remember Eric Angle in the WWE in the year 2000. Wasn't there some Christmas edition of Raw where Angle's entire family came down to the ring and celebrated am I going crazy?
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Paulocaust posted:Weird, I don't even remember that first one, although I do remember Eric Angle in the WWE in the year 2000. Wasn't there some Christmas edition of Raw where Angle's entire family came down to the ring and celebrated am I going crazy? Yeah they did an Angle family celebration, and that seems like the sort of thing wacky 2000 era Kurt would do. They actually don't mention that on Wikipedia as one of Eric's WWF appearances though.
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Sep 27, 2012 22:22
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Bearnt! posted:It's Hogan by a long shot for least amount of clean losses, shocking! I might do this with Austin as well but this took way too long to put together. You gotta keep in mind though that wrestling TV was much different in Hogan's heyday. He wrestled on TV a lot less than Cena or the Undertaker. According to ProfightDB, Cena and Taker each have over 200 more matches than Hogan, and Hogan's been wrestling much longer (especially compared to Cena). Doesn't totally account for the difference, but it's worth keeping in mind.
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Sep 27, 2012 22:25
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Didn't Hogan lose clean to Lesnar at the Smackdown where Brock beat the poo poo out of him, then smeared Hogan's blood on his chest?
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Sep 27, 2012 22:46
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Hogan did a huge (for Hogan) amount of clean jobs when he returned to WWE. Rock, Angle, Lesnar. Well, 3 at any rate.
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Sep 27, 2012 22:51
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The R-Truth loss was pretty clean, that's the one RIGHT before Punk's pipebomb. Punk distracted Cena, but Truth 100% legally put him through the table for the win (it was a table match).
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Sep 27, 2012 22:58
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Thanks guys for all the help!Diabolik900 posted:You gotta keep in mind though that wrestling TV was much different in Hogan's heyday. He wrestled on TV a lot less than Cena or the Undertaker. According to ProfightDB, Cena and Taker each have over 200 more matches than Hogan, and Hogan's been wrestling much longer (especially compared to Cena). Doesn't totally account for the difference, but it's worth keeping in mind. True but there's still something to be said for 1 clean loss in 8 years. Pope Corky the IX posted:Didn't Hogan lose clean to Lesnar at the Smackdown where Brock beat the poo poo out of him, then smeared Hogan's blood on his chest? Yep. I have that on the full list. Brock won via bear hug of all things when Hogan didn't Hulk up after 3 arm raises. Were his losses to Undertaker and HHH clean?
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Sep 27, 2012 23:12
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Pretttttty sure Undertaker hit Hogan with a chair in that Judgment Day match, but I haven't watched any of it outside of the sandbagged chokeslam in 10 years
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Sep 27, 2012 23:40
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I am going to continue to promote Cagematch as a much more complete database than ProFightDB 
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triplexpac posted:Steve Austin at RAW 6/28/1999 (clean?) I thought it was unlikely too, but I have a copy of this RAW and Austin surprisingly wins clean, although it was typical 1999 WWF before the finish. Austin hits the stunner, Paul Bearer pulls the ref out at 2.9, match continues for another thirty seconds, Austin hits another stunner and wins. This was Austin winning the WWF Title, as well.
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Sep 27, 2012 23:45
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When Bret Hart was on a recent Raw in Canada, I thought I heard some Ole' Chants. What was up with that?
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TV Zombie posted:When Bret Hart was on a recent Raw in Canada, I thought I heard some Ole' Chants. What was up with that? Montreal sports fans do this when they're excited.
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HulkaMatt posted:I am going to continue to promote Cagematch as a much more complete database than ProFightDB
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oldpainless posted:Hogan did a huge (for Hogan) amount of clean jobs when he returned to WWE. Rock, Angle, Lesnar. I'm still in awe that he tapped out to the ankle lock at king of the ring 2002. Just awestruck.
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Bearnt! posted:Hogan: I was at this show and Triple H beat him clean as a sheet to become #1 contender for Undertaker's title.
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Oatgan posted:I was at this show and Triple H beat him clean as a sheet to become #1 contender for Undertaker's title. Correct. Hogan was an idiot who thought he won when HHH kicked out of the legdrop.
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The Barrett win over Cena was the one where McGillicutty and Husky attacked from the crowd, wasn't it?
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achillesforever6 posted:That was a good movie actually The remake or the original? TL posted:Joe Don Baker's best movie not named Mitchell. Even his name says, "Is that a beer?"
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triplexpac posted:Steve Austin at RAW 6/28/1999 (clean?) Austin beat Undertaker for the title in this match, this was clean. Austin had to overcome interference from Paul Bearer, but Undertaker jobbed clean to a Stunner.
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Has Jim Ross ever talked about why he went from being an athlete to settling into wrestling refereeing/commentary?
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Undertaker did a bafflingly clean job to Vladimir Kozlov on a random Smackdown, when HBK and a couple others were campaigning for Taker's Wrestlemania match that year.
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Minidust posted:Undertaker did a bafflingly clean job to Vladimir Kozlov on a random Smackdown, when HBK and a couple others were campaigning for Taker's Wrestlemania match that year. It wasn't baffling. Heel Kozlov was a russian monster who won matches.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:I didn't see a quick way to filter matches with/against a specific opponent. Go to wrestler you want.  Type dude you want in "Worker". That's it. HulkaMatt fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Sep 28, 2012 |
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HulkaMatt posted:Go to wrestler you want. Thanks, I used profight DB to look of the number of Kofi vs Dolph matches during the Raw thread since I couldn't figure out an easy way to do it on cagematch.
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I really think ProFightDB layout is 100x better but Cagematch also has a lot more entries for practically every wrestler. Mochi for instance, has only 117 on ProFightDB. 1,963 matches less.
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Wow, thanks for promoting Cagematch, now I can keep up on the career of the only guy from our awful indy fed who ever made it to the real indie circuits! Hey, he lost to Sonny Siaki in a TNA dark match once! Sweet. Oh, and a comment in German! (Translated) "Ordinary Brawler. Reminds me of the style and appearance to some of Steve Austin." Aw, he was going for Stan Hansen 
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Sep 28, 2012 05:12
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HulkaMatt posted:Go to wrestler you want.  This is comprehensive. It even separates a guy's match data by individual gimmicks.
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Golden Bee posted:It wasn't baffling. Heel Kozlov was a russian monster who won matches. Also, Undertaker did a clean job to Khali, so losing to the Flavor of the Month Monster was not unprecedented
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TL posted:Joe Don Baker's best movie not named Mitchell. You forgot Final Justice there, fella
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Think you can take me? Well, go ahead on. It's your move.
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