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Bongo Bill posted:Snowman, not Lord English, was the one whose death causes (caused, really) the end of the universe. Lord English doesn't give a poo poo about universes. He have her that property but didn't have it himself. Killing him wouldn't physically destroy the universe as it would with Snowman, but it amounts to the same thing. If he dies, the timeline in which he currently resides and everything in it becomes doomed. It makes direct combat impossible because it warps Sburb's ruleset in his favor. At this point, the best strategy to actually bring down English is to find Calliope's ghost, wake her up, swap out her consciousness with Caliborn's, and then kill Caliborn's ghost. Paradox space dictates that Lord English has to live, but it likely doesn't give a poo poo about whose mind is occupying LE at the time. From there, Calliope's Muse of Space abilities could safely ensure that Lord English would be permanently locked away in a corner of space that no one could ever find.
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Sep 29, 2012 04:37
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Oh poo poo, John is PISSED.
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Sep 29, 2012 04:37
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Hahaha oh man Jack is going to die here and he's going to die confused, scared, and alone
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Sep 29, 2012 04:40
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I think John just went NOT loving AROUND Tier.
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Sep 29, 2012 04:42
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Well, it looks like after his tantrum about how everything was miserable and his father was dead and he was lonely, John wasn't in the mood to sit down and discuss his differences with his father's murderer after all.  Dolash posted:This is actually what I don't like about Caliborn, or at least don't understand, or something. I don't really get how he could've gone from being a player subject to the fate his game wrote for him to being a force greater than the game itself and able to overwrite it. Surely the game could've prevented him from gaining that power by designating him gaining it to not be part of the alpha timeline? He shouldn't be able to subvert it any more than the A1 trolls were able to get around having to scratch their session so that the ectobiology that created them could take place in the post-scratch session. We still don't know that SBurb is really what's determining fate here. For that matter, given Caliborn's potential Saw-like love of subjecting victims to deadly games and the fact that he will later eat universes which Sburb itself can propagate, my theory has been that Caliborn may be what's responsible for Sburb's creation in the first place, in one of those double mobious reach-around "they created each other" kind of things.
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Sep 29, 2012 04:44
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John cleverly knew that the only way to lure Jack into a trap was to use his uncontrollable desire for trophies against him. Poor jack, he never stood a chance.
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fatherdog posted:There's no reason to believe that the game is what writes players fates, rather than being subject to the dictates of timeline causality like everything else. I suppose, it's more of a feeling that unlike the time players who are simply subjected to circular causation, time loops, and an alpha timeline, the most powerful entities of the story (Sburb and Lord English) are actually creating these events to ensure their own existence. Sburb creates itself using time loops just like the players do with ectobiology, but there's an inclination to think that the players are simply coopted by a power able to rewrite their timeline whereas Sburb's creation is more like an autonomous act of self-realization - like God emerging from the chaos, an entity which brings itself into being (even if it isn't a conscious entity). If Sburb and Lord English are just as much subjects of the timeline as the players, the multiverse becomes a really fatalist place where nobody in the story is actually responsible for the timeline unfolding the way it is, events were simply foretold, which makes the story feel like the product of author fiat. All stories might be the product of writers putting what they want to write, but adding all these circular causations to the timeline then making nobody but the author responsible for them really draws attention to this. I don't know if that's a valid interpretation, time travel isn't a real thing we know about, but narrativly it feels important. Edit - never mind this poo poo, John's about to lay the smack!
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Sep 29, 2012 04:49
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Sep 29, 2012 04:53
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Oxxidation posted:Hahaha oh man Jack is going to die here and he's going to die confused, scared, and alone Again, that would be incredibly anti-climatic and not in an amusing sort of way, I seriously doubt Jack is going to get killed at least until everyone meets up.
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Sep 29, 2012 04:56
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Don't worry guys, Jack is just gonna get Windy Thing'd out of the dreambubble entirely. Then PM will be wondering where the gently caress he went.
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Sep 29, 2012 04:57
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John has unleashed storm of SHOOSHes I love it.
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JT Jag posted:Then PM will be wondering where the gently caress he went. I hope John doesn't mistake PM as an enemy. 
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Sep 29, 2012 05:02
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Strongylocentrotus posted:I hope John doesn't mistake PM as an enemy. Thankfully, her white Prospitian skin will help identify her as an ally. Unfortunately, her prototyping looking exactly like Jack's will probably throw John for a loop.
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Sep 29, 2012 05:05
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Pastrymancy posted:John has unleashed storm of SHOOSHes No, unfortunately they're just whooshes.
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Sep 29, 2012 05:06
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Holy poo poo. John finally lost his poo poo good and proper.
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Sep 29, 2012 05:10
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Jack really has to pretty much Green/Red Mile the poo poo out of the dream bubble if he wants to get out of this, since without his teleportation abilities that dinky sword isn't going to be as good as the vrillyhoo. To say the least of the Windy Thing being a factor as well.
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Sep 29, 2012 05:10
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Oh, man. John actually looks pretty bad-rear end doing the windy thing. He's been completely overshadowed by Vriska, Dave, and Bro in terms of looking cool in fights, but I actually spent a few moments admiring how angry he looks. Going back and reading the first act with a friend, I'm actually thinking John's recent irritability isn't weird. John's joyful happy-go-luckiness was probably triggered by the newness of the adventure, but when John's a mundane setting, like in early Act 1, he's pretty irritable. Looking forward to a cool battle scene.
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Sep 29, 2012 05:18
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Oh man. If I had the cash, I think I'd know what my next avatar would be, that second to last panel is gorgeous. John is ready for Round 2. No sucker-stabs this time for Jack.
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Sep 29, 2012 05:25
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Color Printer posted:Thankfully, her white Prospitian skin will help identify her as an ally. They've met before, though at this point it's unlikely John would recognize her. He can probably tell she isn't Jack at the very least. He isn't that dumb.
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Sep 29, 2012 05:32
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It's silly to hope for a "[S]John: Make him pay" but oh man I want to see this go down so bad.
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Sep 29, 2012 05:32
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Yeah that's awesome and all but teleshanks trump cool.
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Sep 29, 2012 05:36
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Seoinin posted:Yeah that's awesome and all but teleshanks trump cool. Can't teleshank when you can't teleport.
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Sep 29, 2012 05:40
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Happy Underpants posted:It's silly to hope for a "[S]John: Make him pay" but oh man I want to see this go down so bad. I know it won't happen, (plus I know Andrew's habits well enough to realize that there is a good chance John will just be stabbed again or something like that) but I'd love a flash set to Heir Conditioning.
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John's gonna woosh Jack so bad Jack's gonna need a hundred combs to fix his fur back.
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Sep 29, 2012 05:45
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I can't help but feel that John's attack here is going to fail miserably - like "killed (woken up) by his own hammer" miserably. As someone else mentioned it would be a bit anticlimactic if it just worked, plus I dunno if John being angry is enough to suddenly make him powerful enough to defeat Jack anyway. edit: Though it is interesting that John finally seems to give a drat beyond having a vague sense of obligation.
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ShardPhoenix posted:I can't help but feel that John's attack here is going to fail miserably - like "killed (woken up) by his own hammer" miserably. As someone else mentioned it would be a bit anticlimactic if it just worked, plus I dunno if John being angry is enough to suddenly make him powerful enough to defeat Jack anyway. I don't think it's going to backfire, because that'll seriously screw up John's whole character arc, since this is the breakdown he's been needing t have for quite a while in the comic. But it's most likely not going to kill Jack. It'll probably gently caress him up pretty bad, but he won't kill him. Either that or while dealing with John Jack gets double teamed by him and PM.
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ShardPhoenix posted:I can't help but feel that John's attack here is going to fail miserably - like "killed (woken up) by his own hammer" miserably. As someone else mentioned it would be a bit anticlimactic if it just worked, plus I dunno if John being angry is enough to suddenly make him powerful enough to defeat Jack anyway.  is middle ground between killing jack and killing himself with his own weapon. This will blow Jack away long enough for John to grab that hammer out of the air, and then the real fight can begin.
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ShardPhoenix posted:I can't help but feel that John's attack here is going to fail miserably - like "killed (woken up) by his own hammer" miserably. As someone else mentioned it would be a bit anticlimactic if it just worked, plus I dunno if John being angry is enough to suddenly make him powerful enough to defeat Jack anyway. What about two years to grind? It seems likely that John's actually far stronger than Jack right now, particularly given Jack doesn't have access to First Guardian powers here.
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Sep 29, 2012 06:04
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Jack's about to learn a lesson that any being with first guardian abilities should know: Do not turn your back on the body! Fake edit: Could someone post that alternate ending to the Jack/Rose deal a fan drew. Where Jack learned the same above lesson?
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I dunno, guys. Jack isn't reacting with anger to this attack, just confusion. I don't think the WHOOSH is going to do jack poo poo, other than knock the hammer out of Jack's hand. If John was insta-killed, it would negate the point of this whole thing. If Jack was insta-killed, it would remove an interesting character from the story and leave PM with nothing to do. Neither is going to die right away here. I almost get the feeling John is going to be totally ineffective against Jack, but Jack isn't going to fight back.
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I don't remember where it was stated that Jack can't do the teleport thing in the furthest ring. I know Jade says she can't do the teleport thing on the boat because she's cut off from the green sun in Hussie's mansion, but I don't remember that inability applying to Jack. With that said, I think On-The-Ball John is one of the few characters without green sun, space, or time powers who could go one on one with Jack, telestab or not. John has the power to control wind, which is ubiquitous on the battlefield. He can hit Jack anywhere, even if Jack is behind him. And there's the Vrillyhoo popomatic hammer, the dice in which gave Vriska the ability to go toe to toe with Jack. I say he has a drat good chance.
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Bobulus posted:I almost get the feeling John is going to be totally ineffective against Jack, but Jack isn't going to fight back. I disagree. John can fly just as well as Jack, but without the burden of wings, John's weapon is far superior, and red miles are slow enough that John could probably get at least one hit in before being impaled and waking up. Akett posted:I don't remember where it was stated that Jack can't do the teleport thing in the furthest ring. Yeah, when was this?
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Is it just me or is John's skin a bit grayer here, by which I mean it is a color other than #FFFFFF? Could he be... going grimdark???
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I don't think it matters how high into the godtiers or how good his stats or fray motifs are all of John's deaths seem to happen in cut scenes. He's like some sort of do over aeris.
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Akett posted:And there's the Vrillyhoo popomatic hammer, the dice in which gave Vriska the ability to go toe to toe with Jack. Would a dream bubble hammer have the same offensive properties as the real thing though? The last couple of walkabouts have made me a little fuzzy on how this would work.
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jonjonaug posted:Would a dream bubble hammer have the same offensive properties as the real thing though? The last couple of walkabouts have made me a little fuzzy on how this would work. Considering it's the memory of someone who, while awake, has the real one in his strife deck, I'd say it's going to be at least a little dangerous.
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jonjonaug posted:Would a dream bubble hammer have the same offensive properties as the real thing though? The last couple of walkabouts have made me a little fuzzy on how this would work. Well everyone seemed to think that Meenah's 2x3dent was able to hurt or kill Roxy's dreamself. Honestly I don't see why it wouldn't hurt Jack.
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ShardPhoenix posted:plus I dunno if John being angry is enough to suddenly make him powerful enough to defeat Jack anyway. John conjured up a tornado powerful enough to drill down into the core of a planet. Who the gently caress knows what he can do when he's pissed off?
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Bongo Bill posted:Is it just me or is John's skin a bit grayer here, by which I mean it is a color other than #FFFFFF? Could he be... going grimdark??? Pretty sure that's just a visual effect to enhance the holy poo poo rageglow John's throwing off. Especially since grimdark involved horrorterror communing of which John has done very very little of.
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