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CornHolio posted:Awww, the one thing I thought it had going for it, a somewhat unique exhaust design. In fairness, even the Maserati MC12 uses fake pipes like that.
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Doesn't Adam Corolla drive an ISF and talk about it all the time? Haven't listened to the carcast in a while.
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AdmiralViscen posted:a 4 liter turbo, not a 5 liter that's basically the base engine for the brand's full size car. The M3 is 51/49 weight distro, the IS-F is 54/46. i would assume this is mostly engine, but I could not find weight for the lexus engine. M3 engine is 445lb. A turbocharger system (if the M3 had one) definitely adds weight. The turbo, the piping, the intercooler, the larger exhaust, the additional heat shielding, it all adds up. Engine weights are not scientific. Engines can be weighed in different configurations. With alternator or without? With power steering pump or without? Full of coolant and oil or empty? The Lexus is lame because it has a torque converter automatic. Other than that it seems like it is pretty competitive with the M3. Something tells me the Lexus has a significantly lower total cost of ownership (cost of insurance, maintenance, repairs, depreciation) than the M3. I would rather have a CTS-V than either of them for whatever that's worth. Superior German adhesives just aren't worth much to me.
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Peanut President posted:In some places (Indiana) golf carts can be made legal, plates an everything. Seat belts, headlights/tail lights, signals, windshield I think are all you need. You are correct sir. Fun fact, until a few years ago you didn't need a license to drive one on the street so a good number of people with revoked licenses were driving golf carts around. Kind of insane but if you have to get your rear end to the bar for a drink you'll do whatever it takes I guess.
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I think an IS-F with a stock body kit would be pretty cool. I think the IS looks pretty nice without the bulbous ground effects and cheesy exhaust. However, I would enjoy it because it was quietly fun to get on freeway onramps and pass grandmas in camrys while cushy enough to sit in traffic or text dangerously. Not for its force field or pussy shrapnel capabilities. If I had a 65k budget for a car I would also probably not buy an IS-F over the CTS-V or like a challenger srt8 with money left for a nice exhaust or something. In new car news: I just read the next mini will have a 3 cylinder engine. How does everyone feel about that? Makes me feel... weird.
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With a $65k budget I'd probably buy a fleet of brown '90s Corollas to pull a big red Sebring convertible around Santa Claus style.
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Rhyno posted:You are correct sir. Fun fact, until a few years ago you didn't need a license to drive one on the street so a good number of people with revoked licenses were driving golf carts around. Kind of insane but if you have to get your rear end to the bar for a drink you'll do whatever it takes I guess. NEV (neighborhood electric vehicle) "golf cart" lanes here in California for sure. I see drunk old men driving along them in their tricked out golf carts loaded with dogs/heaters/tv's/boomboxes/kegs/stripper poles/etc. They are like bigger bike lanes. This was actually from my phone. No booze, boring standard cart, but awesome dogs for sure.  Not getting the IS-F hate - at least Toyota is trying something, even though I'd never buy one Keyser_Soze fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Oct 4, 2012 |
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Xguard86 posted:
Do you feel... odd? Triples in motorcycles sound pretty drat good, so at least there's that.
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Keyser S0ze posted:Not getting the IS-F hate - at least Toyota is trying something, even though I'd never buy one I don't think anyone hates it or even thinks it's a bad car. But it's really hard to justify it over the alternatives at that price point. Also, those various total cost of ownership calculators aren't exactly super-accurate, but based on those, it looks like insurance on the IS-F is about the same as on the M3, but depreciation and cost of maintenance are both worse, making it possibly more expensive to own, especially if you don't factor in fuel costs. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Oct 4, 2012 |
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Keyser S0ze posted:Not getting the IS-F hate - at least Toyota is trying something, even though I'd never buy one The IS-F isn't a bad car, it just isn't all that good. Like many Lexus products these days, it's a cynical copy of a product that its competitors offer. I would say it's so cynical that it's basically a parody of an M3 or (especially) a C63 AMG. They basically said, "we have a compact luxury sedan, bet you'd like to see a fast one, right? Here, we put a BIG V8 in it...you guys like BIG V8s right? We put comically swollen fenders on it, because you like that too, right? we *downshift* gave *downshift* IT *downshift* EIGHT GEARS BECAUSE YOU LIKE MORE GEARS RIGHT? *upshift* *upshift* *upshift* *upshift*"
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MrChips posted:
Kind of funny, but arguably the most popular 8-speed automatic (ZF 8HP) isn't in the Lexus IS-F. You will find it in everything from Audi's and BMW's to Ram pickups though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_8HP_transmission
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Cream_Filling posted:I don't think anyone hates it or even thinks it's a bad car. But it's really hard to justify it over the alternatives at that price point. I'm guessing their real "target market" isn't people comparing E90 M3 sedans, CTS-V's, MBZ AMG, Audi S4 etc and trying to choose one, but is really a Toyota loyal IS350 owner that will bite on the upsell and wants more stomp - to at least hang with his M3/CTS-V/AMG/S4 V8 buddies.
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Well the only reason the IS-F has an 8-speed auto is to cut costs by sharing drivetrain parts with the LS.Keyser S0ze posted:I'm guessing their real "target market" isn't people comparing E90 M3 sedans, CTS-V's, MBZ AMG, Audi S4 etc and trying to choose one, but is really a Toyota loyal IS350 owner that will bite on the upsell and wants more stomp - to at least hang with his M3/CTS-V/AMG/S4 V8 buddies. Well yeah, that's kind of worthy of mockery on its own, since Toyota loyal people are usually kind of boring and the IS hasn't had any real character or appeal past the first generation. The new round of redesigns, in particular, promises to crank up the ugly another notch with that bizarre hourglass grille and increasingly tortured surface treatments. I mean, just look at some of the new look models coming out:  That front end is just fugly. The whole thing looks like an uglier Accord. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Oct 4, 2012 |
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MrChips posted:The IS-F isn't a bad car, it just isn't all that good. Like many Lexus products these days, it's a cynical copy of a product that its competitors offer. I would say it's so cynical that it's basically a parody of an M3 or (especially) a C63 AMG. Post a picture of a Lexus and anyone in this thread can post a significantly better looking car with similar performance numbers that costs the same or less. Any Lexus. It's not that they are bad cars, it's that if you're looking for something actually flashy you picked the wrong goddamn car. A Lexus lets you blend in.
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Lexus is the new Buick, except uglier. Even the LF-A, which is so expensive and rare as to be more of a publicity stunt than an actual car, is pretty damned ugly. Hell, let's look at when Lexus tries to be flashy:     ewwww Those first two are actual production models, not ugly concepts or dumb special editions. Those front ends are horrivile. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Oct 4, 2012 |
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I... kind of like this.
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Oh, yeah......I already forgot about the newly improved GS models coming out (maybe that's their problem.) That really makes the IS-F even less attractive now.
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Muffinpox posted:I... kind of like this. I think that one is a SEMA concept and not the production version. But it might just be a special edition, I don't know. Keyser S0ze posted:Oh, yeah......I already forgot about the newly improved GS models coming out (maybe that's their problem.) That really makes the IS350 F even less attractive now. I'd rather drive the IS-F, because the body kit just looks excessive instead of totally tacky and gross.
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The average Lexus really is boring as poo poo, but it at least seems like they're aware of public perception.. It looks good now, but I can see that car looking pretty dated down the line. And it'd still have the same "Yes but it's a Toyota" problem the LFA had. I'd take a used M3 over a new IS-F, but to each their own.
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One of the guys I work with has a Dinan M3, and there's no way I'd get a Lexus over the base M3 knowing what I could do with each if I got bored with the stock variants. He just got the thing a month ago and he's going tomorrow to possibly trade up for the Lime Rock M3. I hate him.
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moral of the story, lexus is boring and terrible when compared to any of its competitors How about the new Acura RDX guys
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Cream_Filling posted:I think that one is a SEMA concept and not the production version. But it might just be a special edition, I don't know. I'd have to go pull all the dimensions and options comparing the IS/GS but I think that GS-F Sport would be poaching a few potential BMW 535 buyers, especially the 3 year lease turn-and-burn types. I hate Vikingskull's friend too. 
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Has anyone calling Lexus 'the next Buick' seen Acura's lineup lately? Downmarket, rebadged FWD poo poo from end to end. The ILX has a Civic powertrain and cloth seats.
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Keyser S0ze posted:I'd have to go pull all the dimensions and options comparing the IS/GS but I think that GS-F Sport would be poaching a few potential BMW 535 buyers, especially the 3 year lease turn-and-burn types. Dunno, it would be a first, since the GS has never sold well or successfully competed against the 5 series. Yeah, it costs the same as a 535 and makes about the same amount of power, but it's uglier. Even those lease types probably won't get it because BMW still has a different brand image than Lexus does. The assocations are M cars, motorsports, and the "Ultimate Driving Machine" tagline versus a bunch of hybrids and a reputation for building nice, but fat and boring cars for old people.
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Keyser S0ze posted:I hate Vikingskull's friend too. He has a year old 911 Turbo, too. The Dinan is his daily beater, haha.
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NOTinuyasha posted:Has anyone calling Lexus 'the next Buick' seen Acura's lineup lately? Downmarket, rebadged FWD poo poo from end to end. The ILX has a Civic powertrain and cloth seats. Lexus is still the next Buick. Acura is the next Mercury.
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NOTinuyasha posted:Has anyone calling Lexus 'the next Buick' seen Acura's lineup lately? Downmarket, rebadged FWD poo poo from end to end. The ILX has a Civic powertrain and cloth seats. They mean "Buick" as in the "Buick vs. Cadillac" dichotomy from the classic years of American Luxury cars. Cadillacs were flashy cars for rich folks, whereas Buicks were respectable cars for doctors and such who wanted plush, powerful, but less conspicuous nice cars. Acura is more like 'the next Mercury.'
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Cream_Filling posted:Acura is more like 'the next Mercury.' 
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bull3964 posted:Seems in line with what you can expect from a high hp, low weight, FWD car. The MS3 (especially first gen) usually puts in sub 6 second 0-60 numbers.
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Dielectric posted:Do you feel... odd? Good one. My boorish American mind just associates 3 cylinders with riding lawn mowers or Japanese scooters or something. If it has a cool and distinct exhaust note then all the better. Especially if you can hear some turbo woosh over a sport bike rev.
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Cream_Filling posted:Dunno, it would be a first, since the GS has never sold well or successfully competed against the 5 series. Yeah, it costs the same as a 535 and makes about the same amount of power, but it's uglier. Even those lease types probably won't get it because BMW still has a different brand image than Lexus does. The assocations are M cars, motorsports, and the "Ultimate Driving Machine" tagline versus a bunch of hybrids and a reputation for building nice, but fat and boring cars for old people. I'm basing it off of what I get from the Bimmerfest F10 forums.....obviously, most are BMW whores like me, but many of these guys are going from MBZ to AUDI then a BMW then something else every 3 years and the GS350's are definitely on their radar. http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=583875&highlight=gs350 http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=629034&highlight=gs350
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Triples in bikes are a much different story than triples in cars. Four cylinders in bikes sound a lot better than they do in cars, because of reasons. The Geo Metro had a 3-cyl and man let me tell you about that motor and how great it sounded
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NOTinuyasha posted:Has anyone calling Lexus 'the next Buick' seen Acura's lineup lately? Downmarket, rebadged FWD poo poo from end to end. The ILX has a Civic powertrain and cloth seats. The AWD TL seems pretty nice to me.
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Nait Sirhc posted:Triples in bikes are a much different story than triples in cars. Four cylinders in bikes sound a lot better than they do in cars, because of reasons. The Geo Metro had a 3-cyl and man let me tell you about that motor and how great it sounded I dunno, I think BMW's new three cylinder sounds pretty good; it sounds a bit like an old air-cooled 911 to me.
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Lexus makes some dull and ugly cars, but to be fair I think the CT-200h is the best looking hybrid on the road right now.
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Tacier posted:Lexus makes some dull and ugly cars, but to be fair I think the CT-200h is the best looking hybrid on the road right now. Any car that comes in brown is pretty good. I love the brown Jetta Sportwagen.
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Tacier posted:Lexus makes some dull and ugly cars, but to be fair I think the CT-200h is the best looking hybrid on the road right now. 2013 Fusion.
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MrChips posted:I dunno, I think BMW's new three cylinder sounds pretty good; it sounds a bit like an old air-cooled 911 to me. The turbocharged twin cylinder Fiat engine has the most adorable growl. I would buy a car with that engine for the sound alone.
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Tacier posted:Lexus makes some dull and ugly cars, but to be fair I think the CT-200h is the best looking hybrid on the road right now. Allow me to kill it for you: zero to sixty in eleven seconds. Slower then a Prius.
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