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V-Men posted:The girlfriend and I thought they were going to structure the season into a future timeline and current timeline, to depict Fringe Division's initial attempt to resist the Observer invasion. To give its current efforts some historical context. The last time they did something like that, it was a search for the pieces of the machine Peter used to join the universes. I think it lasted around three episodes and was only the A-plot for one of them--most of the searching happened off-screen.
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Jack Gladney posted:The last time they did something like that, it was a search for the pieces of the machine Peter used to join the universes. I think it lasted around three episodes and was only the A-plot for one of them--most of the searching happened off-screen. Yeah but that's because they were just looking for a bunch of things buried in the ground. This is surely going to be more complicated and more involved, especially considering the fact that all of them are wanted fugitives and can't even travel in the city.
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Oct 7, 2012 18:52
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I'm just glad it seems like they're finally getting rid of the whole procedural stuff. I never liked cop and investigation shows and always thought it was really stupid in Fringe.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I'm just glad it seems like they're finally getting rid of the whole procedural stuff. I never liked cop and investigation shows and always thought it was really stupid in Fringe. That was part of the fun of Fringe. They were Fringe Division. 
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Oct 7, 2012 21:00
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I'm liking the season so far, but one thing is bugging me. Do we know anything about why the Observers are super dicks? The "Letters of Transit" intro only said "they stopped watching... and seized control." But why? Is it just speculation that they ruined their own time and need to take over ours just to survive, or was that confirmed in an episode? Maybe this is something we're going to find out later, and it will explain the experimentation in the last episode. I hope so, anyway. Because it's cheesy to have villains with no motivation.
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Double Deuce posted:I'm liking the season so far, but one thing is bugging me. Do we know anything about why the Observers are super dicks? The "Letters of Transit" intro only said "they stopped watching... and seized control." But why? Is it just speculation that they ruined their own time and need to take over ours just to survive, or was that confirmed in an episode? Maybe this is something we're going to find out later, and it will explain the experimentation in the last episode. I hope so, anyway. Because it's cheesy to have villains with no motivation. Walter said that they came from the future and they destroyed society.
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Oct 8, 2012 01:06
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I can't be the only one who got a serious  vibe from this episode. Low quality video footage where portions are missing. Two Lost actors, and the scene where they open the tunnel door and the camera pans out to see them peeking inside.
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Oct 8, 2012 05:19
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Double Deuce posted:I'm liking the season so far, but one thing is bugging me. Do we know anything about why the Observers are super dicks? The "Letters of Transit" intro only said "they stopped watching... and seized control." But why? Is it just speculation that they ruined their own time and need to take over ours just to survive, or was that confirmed in an episode? Maybe this is something we're going to find out later, and it will explain the experimentation in the last episode. I hope so, anyway. Because it's cheesy to have villains with no motivation. The problem with the Observer race is they are killing their planet and have no other solution to saving it. But hey, guess what, the military arm of their race probably finds out about the time traveling thing and basically use it to invade and take over to get away from their world. Obviously that makes us their ancestors but you know, trying to explain how that happens is  worthy, or you can pretend it's like the series 3 finale of the new Doctor Who. (but not really at all)
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Sober posted:Obviously that makes us their ancestors but you know, trying to explain how that happens is Or just assume they're from another dimension as well, and then it's no problem at all.
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HanabaL03 posted:I can't be the only one who got a serious You know, I didn't even recognize Radzinsky until you pointed him out. He looks completely different with hair.
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Oct 8, 2012 05:38
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And here's a thought I haven't had until now: do you suppose anyone will mention Ella and Olivia's sister and the likely possibility that they both died horribly? Or maybe she'll turn up alive and played by the same woman who played adult Ella at the end of season 3.
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Jack Gladney posted:And here's a thought I haven't had until now: do you suppose anyone will mention Ella and Olivia's sister and the likely possibility that they both died horribly? Or maybe she'll turn up alive and played by the same woman who played adult Ella at the end of season 3.
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FlamingLiberal posted:When was the last time they were even on the show? I don't remember them appearing last season. Pretty sure it was season 3.
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Oct 8, 2012 05:54
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There entire history is different. Olivia now has a niece and a nephew.
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Sober posted:From what I remember, people like September, basically the Observers you see from S1-4 were basically the civilian scientists of their (our!) race. So they basically only showed up to, well, observe things, like Fringe events, or important historical moments, etc. Seems to make sense as the Observers have a Ministry of Science and a Ministry of Defense. Otherwise, I would note that perhaps Observer civilization is like the University of Planet from Alpha Centauri -- science without ethics. V-Men fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Oct 8, 2012 |
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HanabaL03 posted:I can't be the only one who got a serious You and EW's Jeff Jensen. Beware of an analysis that is too long and too stretching. I read it because, sometimes, he remembers a call back or something that no one else does.
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Oct 8, 2012 14:08
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"September" actor is on HBO's Treme as some sort of music agent from Texas. He still sounds like he does on Fringe though but with a Texas accent.
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Now I'm just imagining all his weird monotone lines about space-time and inevitability with "pard'ner" stuck on the end.
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Jack Gladney posted:You know, I didn't even recognize Radzinsky until you pointed him out. He looks completely different with hair. Thank you! It was killing me that I couldn't pinpoint where I'd seen him before.
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Oct 8, 2012 18:17
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I bet Desmond wishes he used a stick to push the other guy out now.
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Oct 8, 2012 18:59
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Man, I picked the best time to rewatch the child Observer episode from Season 1.
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I was going with a little pet theory for a while, and I'm wondering how well it will hold up this season, or if there'll be some kind of explanation otherwise. When William Bell came a hair's breadth away from collapsing the Universe as we know it, I thought the Observers felt it necessary to step in and prevent us from destroying reality. I can imagine the military or governing body of their society getting the Observation Reports and being like ARE YOU loving SERIOUS? HE WHAT?!? HOW MANY UNIVERSES?!
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Oct 8, 2012 23:27
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Their worries would be unfounded then, considering they still existed.
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Sober posted:The problem with the Observer race is they are killing their planet and have no other solution to saving it.
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Double Deuce posted:Wait, when was that established? Was I not paying attention? Last season. Walter was going on about the Observer history.
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Webbeh posted:Man, I picked the best time to rewatch the child Observer episode from Season 1. Yeah how the holy hell does that episode fit into this? Did some Observer kids get their hands on daddy's time travel device and accidentally go back in time?
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FrensaGeran posted:Yeah how the holy hell does that episode fit into this? Did some Observer kids get their hands on daddy's time travel device and accidentally go back in time?
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The other simplest explanation is that the resemblance is coincidental and the look they give each other at the end is out of mutual confusion.
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Knowing this show the Observer kid and September will turn out to be the same person. It could explain his affinity for Walter and the Fringe crew.
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General Ironicus posted:The other simplest explanation is that the resemblance is coincidental and the look they give each other at the end is out of mutual confusion. Yeah, I never got the impression that he was a kid observer, especially since they explain his origin in that episode.
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Oasx posted:Yeah, I never got the impression that he was a kid observer, especially since they explain his origin in that episode. What was that? I thought all they figured out was that he had been in the tunnel for 100 years or something and that the CIA knew something about who he was and was trying to kill or kidnap him or something.
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Rewatching the series from the beginning recently, the ending of season 2 episode 3, "Fracture" really stood out. It's the one where Col. Raymond Gordon is exploding former soldiers who were part of Project Tin Man. He's captured at the end, and seems to know about the threat of the Observers. He tells Broyles that "they" want to exterminate us, and have been making observations, collecting data, studying our culture, technology and science, and plan to use it against us -- prepping for war. And under his voiceover, we see a courier drop off a mysterious briefcase, containing photos of Walter, with September. This is early in season 2, and of course the series goes from there to reveal a different set of villains and threat, but they don't ever seem to drop any more hints so blatantly. Maybe we were meant to be confused at the time and think that September was involved with this new threat of shapeshifters and whoever is on the other end of the typewriter (we haven't seen much at this point) but it really seems like this Colonel knows something, somehow, that viewers won't for two and a half years. And then once the rest of the Observers show up in the series, they only seem to be concerned with Peter, Olivia and Walter, not sitting around like, "oh man sooooo cannot wait to enslave these turds lol." So did they really drop a huge hint about the true mission of the Observers, then wait 60 episodes to revisit it? Or were there other hints before "Letters of Transit"?
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That's an awesome callback, and I totally hadn't thought of it during any of my Observer-musings.
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utonium posted:Rewatching the series from the beginning recently, the ending of season 2 episode 3, "Fracture" really stood out. It's the one where Col. Raymond Gordon is exploding former soldiers who were part of Project Tin Man. He's captured at the end, and seems to know about the threat of the Observers. He tells Broyles that "they" want to exterminate us, and have been making observations, collecting data, studying our culture, technology and science, and plan to use it against us -- prepping for war. And under his voiceover, we see a courier drop off a mysterious briefcase, containing photos of Walter, with September. The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is near the Season 1 finale when Clint Howard said that there were evil star trek aliens who used up all their resources and were coming after earth
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the new teaser is weird as heck. TEASER SPOILERS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szpS7vrNMqo&hd=1
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Walter found his LSD stash, didn't he?
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What was the song that was playing on the lab's record player after the power was turned back on? It sounds familiar.
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John Wilkes Booth posted:What was the song that was playing on the lab's record player after the power was turned back on? It sounds familiar. The Moody Blues - Nights in White Satin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9muzyOd4Lh8
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alg posted:The Moody Blues - Nights in White Satin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9muzyOd4Lh8 Thanks! I think my dad used to listen to this when I was younger.
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Good news everyone! We might only lose 1 episode to baseball, if the NL Championship series goes to 5 games next week. The World Series isn't scheduled for a Friday night game!
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