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Flesh Croissant
Apr 23, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

ExecuDork posted:

Given you didn't set out the video for coaching and driving technique critique, I enjoyed the third shot, especially the water spray. I thought it would work well for a more sophisticated video - those you posted had a definite "experimenting with camera work" feel to them - as a short segment, running for maybe a second or two, in a video otherwise mainly composed of a high-and-behind shot as was suggested by Muffinpox. That requires multiple cameras, of course, as well as figuring out where to mount the camera for a shot like that such that you can still place the front wheel right on cones without the camera knocking them over - the concern isn't for the safety of the camera, it's for your driving line!

I also like videos that include at least some direct views of the driver - like mounted on the passenger window or the far corner of the windscreen on the inside, pointing at the driver so both hands and the face are always visible - steering wheel, into the open-face helmet, gear shift (and windshield wiper and signal light control stalks, too, for the fun little mistakes).



I've got plenty of fun ideas, i'd love to cut in a shot on the hood as close to the driver as possible, facing right at me, which would block my view nicely but, whatever.

I'll split my shots between 2/3rds "fun artsy" shot and 1/3rd "Can see the driver and track" shots and try to make a long compliation video at the end of the season. As far as i was from the cones, and i noticed myself being more jerky with the weight transfer than i remember, do you think i left 5-6 seconds on the course? I mean the guy in front of me wasnt even close, and i'll be bumped to SSM soon.

edit: Video link since its a new page. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrAsaPf23rY

Flesh Croissant fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Oct 16, 2012

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Muffinpox
Sep 7, 2004

Ziploc posted:

Your car seems quite a bit oversteer-y. Isn't it destracting? There were moments where the slide was definitely not helping either of you.

I don't get distracted by the little wiggles but if the car comes out far enough I need to concentrate on where it is presently vs. where I want it to be which can throw me out of a rhythm. The car is super sensitive to throttle input and will oversteer if you aren't very smooth with the inputs, Saturday being really cold made it so too much throttle whatsoever would send the rear out pretty hard which made driving a bit of a bear.

Sockington
Jul 26, 2003

Ziploc posted:

Your car seems quite a bit oversteer-y. Isn't it destracting? There were moments where the slide was definitely not helping either of you.

Remember when I beat a bunch of other Miatas and Mazdaspeeds with this run :allears:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LS1dahcPVY

Crustashio
Jul 27, 2000

ruh roh

Sockington posted:

Remember when I beat a bunch of other Miatas and Mazdaspeeds with this run :allears:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LS1dahcPVY

I will be forever amused by the computer voice announcing the times

mattdizzleZ28 posted:

I've got plenty of fun ideas, i'd love to cut in a shot on the hood as close to the driver as possible, facing right at me, which would block my view nicely but, whatever.

I'll split my shots between 2/3rds "fun artsy" shot and 1/3rd "Can see the driver and track" shots and try to make a long compliation video at the end of the season. As far as i was from the cones, and i noticed myself being more jerky with the weight transfer than i remember, do you think i left 5-6 seconds on the course? I mean the guy in front of me wasnt even close, and i'll be bumped to SSM soon.

edit: Video link since its a new page. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrAsaPf23rY

The artsy stuff is cool, but I'd say put more emphasis on track shots. If I feel like loving with gopro mounts I usually try someting fun for my first 2 (of 4) runs, then switch it over to the view I've had in my last couple videos. Almost every time my fastest run is the last so it's good to see what I did right. I'd love to be consistent but I almost always trim off a huge chunk of time on the last run IF I don't waste it on cones.

Crustashio fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Oct 17, 2012

Ziploc
Sep 19, 2006
MX-5
Cameras are cheap. Multi-angle dat poo poo.

Also, if you put a camera IN the car. Make sure it can see as much as YOU as possible. A lot can be learned from things like hand placement, where your head is turned, etc.

This is my go to setup for analyzing my own runs. You can achieve this easily with a two point&shoots (for interior and pedal camera) and a GoPro. And a tiny bit of editing after.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq-hgJ35ipg

Muffinpox
Sep 7, 2004
I just put my parking lot cone dodging skills to the test in real life when an elderly driver almost backed into me 2 times in a 10 second period in a parking lot. Jesus loving christ.

Ziploc posted:

Cameras are cheap. Multi-angle dat poo poo.

Also, if you put a camera IN the car. Make sure it can see as much as YOU as possible. A lot can be learned from things like hand placement, where your head is turned, etc.

This is my go to setup for analyzing my own runs. You can achieve this easily with a two point&shoots (for interior and pedal camera) and a GoPro. And a tiny bit of editing after.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq-hgJ35ipg

Yea, seeing what you are doing and then one outside for seeing how far the car is from cones is super helpful. I only run interior shots since I don't want my iPhone to go flying but normally the first thing I do after a run is review and see where I obviously need to go faster/slower/I am late.

Muffinpox fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Oct 17, 2012

Brigdh
Nov 23, 2007

That's not an oil leak. That's the automatic oil change and chassis protection feature.

Ziploc posted:

Cameras are cheap. Multi-angle dat poo poo.

Also, if you put a camera IN the car. Make sure it can see as much as YOU as possible. A lot can be learned from things like hand placement, where your head is turned, etc.

This is my go to setup for analyzing my own runs. You can achieve this easily with a two point&shoots (for interior and pedal camera) and a GoPro. And a tiny bit of editing after.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq-hgJ35ipg

Just curious, what are you using to sync the multiple videos? A loud clap?

superdylan
Oct 13, 2005
not 100% stupid
I recommend the Best Motoring style of camera angles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VstzlUWZnOI&t=1628s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx_TecmQHoM&t=142s

The closest I could get to it with a couple canon point-n-shoots was this, and the main view is just not wide enough, making everything look slower

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gby9fg38BHk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBAXpyWWrk0

Ziploc
Sep 19, 2006
MX-5

Brigdh posted:

Just curious, what are you using to sync the multiple videos? A loud clap?

That is exactly how to do it.

Flesh Croissant
Apr 23, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
Is that why they clap that board in front of the camera on movie sets? To sync cameras?

Seat Safety Switch
May 27, 2008

MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.

Pillbug

mattdizzleZ28 posted:

Is that why they clap that board in front of the camera on movie sets? To sync cameras?
Oh poo poo, I never thought about it that way before.

The things AI teaches you (that aren't about the extreme ability of humans to withstand endless projects).

grover
Jan 23, 2002

PEW PEW PEW
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mattdizzleZ28 posted:

Is that why they clap that board in front of the camera on movie sets? To sync cameras?
And also to identify the reels of film.

Brigdh
Nov 23, 2007

That's not an oil leak. That's the automatic oil change and chassis protection feature.

Ziploc posted:

That is exactly how to do it.

I was wondering if you happened to have a novel different way to do it.

GOD IS BED
Jun 17, 2010

ALL HAIL GOD MAMMON
:minnie:

College Slice
Hey all, attending my first actual autocross tomorrow (attended a novice autox class earlier this year) and was wondering if my tires will be an issue:



No chunking, just worn down. That's fine, right?

Crustashio
Jul 27, 2000

ruh roh
They won't care as long as you aren't corded and the sidewalls aren't bubbling.

...I hope those aren't your street tires though.

Muffinpox
Sep 7, 2004
Yea, theyll only reject tires that are cording, cracked, or have bulges.

GOD IS BED
Jun 17, 2010

ALL HAIL GOD MAMMON
:minnie:

College Slice
No, definitely not my street tires. Thanks!

G-Mach
Feb 6, 2011
My clubs last autocross of the season is this weekend and then after that is rally-x season until the ice forms. Our rally-x's are usually done with $300 beater cars, but sadly craigslist has been pretty barren of those lately.

Seat Safety Switch
May 27, 2008

MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.

Pillbug

G-Mach posted:

My clubs last autocross of the season is this weekend and then after that is rally-x season until the ice forms. Our rally-x's are usually done with $300 beater cars, but sadly craigslist has been pretty barren of those lately.
Buy a $1000 car and sell off expensive parts that normal people want. Like headliners. Interior. Dome lights.

Windows.

G-Mach
Feb 6, 2011

Seat Safety Switch posted:

Buy a $1000 car and sell off expensive parts that normal people want. Like headliners. Interior. Dome lights.

Windows.

I'll probably do it, but I usually like keeping the car if it survives to do ice racing during this upcoming winter.



I bought this sentra for $300 rallied it and then ice raced it. It sadly died after I accidently hit a large ice jump at 40mph.

Crustashio
Jul 27, 2000

ruh roh

G-Mach posted:

My clubs last autocross of the season is this weekend and then after that is rally-x season until the ice forms. Our rally-x's are usually done with $300 beater cars, but sadly craigslist has been pretty barren of those lately.

Ever consider getting people to pitch in? About the cheapest subaru you can get with a valid inspection sticker here is 1500 so I'm trying to convince friends to go in on it. Share the parts/labour then when summer comes try to resell it.

It'd be so much easier if someone had a trailer though, our RallyX club pretty much couldn't give a poo poo what you drive as long as the frame is in decent shape.

Ziploc
Sep 19, 2006
MX-5

Brigdh posted:

I was wondering if you happened to have a novel different way to do it.

I should have worded it differently. That's how I do it.

I think I picked up the idea after syncing video manually for a while. Then noticing how easy it was when there was an audio hit somewhere. Then I remembered the clap board things. Then my mind exploded.

Brigdh
Nov 23, 2007

That's not an oil leak. That's the automatic oil change and chassis protection feature.

Ziploc posted:

I should have worded it differently. That's how I do it.

I think I picked up the idea after syncing video manually for a while. Then noticing how easy it was when there was an audio hit somewhere. Then I remembered the clap board things. Then my mind exploded.

Yeah, typically it works really well, I've just had some issue with it depending on camera location, and ambient sound in grid, so I was wondering if you happened to be doing something different.

G-Mach
Feb 6, 2011

Crustashio posted:

Ever consider getting people to pitch in? About the cheapest subaru you can get with a valid inspection sticker here is 1500 so I'm trying to convince friends to go in on it. Share the parts/labour then when summer comes try to resell it.

It'd be so much easier if someone had a trailer though, our RallyX club pretty much couldn't give a poo poo what you drive as long as the frame is in decent shape.

That's pretty much the plan. Here in central Wisconsin we don't have inspection of any kind so most cars get run into the ground/rust into nothing. It's hard to find anything in decent shape for under even 2,000. We do have a lead on a Crown Vic however.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
'sup guys?

Flesh Croissant
Apr 23, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
Hey 'dere. (from the badly shot coaching video earlier)

MiniFoo
Dec 25, 2006

METHAMPHETAMINE

Oh, are we posting pictures of Mazdas autocrossing?

Ziploc
Sep 19, 2006
MX-5

MiniFoo posted:

Oh, are we posting pictures of Mazdas autocrossing?

Pictures of Mazdas with (what looks like) positive front camber? :v:

MiniFoo
Dec 25, 2006

METHAMPHETAMINE

Ziploc posted:

Pictures of Mazdas with (what looks like) positive front camber? :v:

Yeah yeah, I know. (To be fair, I am in the middle of a sweeping left turn in that photo.)

TrueChaos
Nov 14, 2006




Mazdas autocrossing you say?

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

MiniFoo posted:

Oh, are we posting pictures of Mazdas autocrossing?



Ah, DCTC, the autocross course that is nothing like an autocross course. I miss it.

Muffinpox
Sep 7, 2004
I went to a Boston BMWCCA event that bsamu told me about and met up with him there. I let another instructor drive my car to see what it could do, I had managed to get a 72.914 with some mistakes and thought the car could probably get into the 70s.

Then this happened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5Ww_XgorZQ

And he said he probably made about a second worth of mistakes in there.
:negative:

BeastPussy
Jul 15, 2003

im so mumped up lmao
rear suspension status: still in one piece :thumbsup:

Crustashio
Jul 27, 2000

ruh roh

Muffinpox posted:

I went to a Boston BMWCCA event that bsamu told me about and met up with him there. I let another instructor drive my car to see what it could do, I had managed to get a 72.914 with some mistakes and thought the car could probably get into the 70s.

Then this happened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5Ww_XgorZQ

And he said he probably made about a second worth of mistakes in there.
:negative:

That looked like some good driving, but what was the time?

Muffinpox
Sep 7, 2004

Crustashio posted:

That looked like some good driving, but what was the time?

68.5, he said 67 flat was probably doable. It is kinda interesting to watch my fastest 71.606 run vs his, again it's super similar lines he is just so much better at handling the car on the limit. I start off slightly ahead in a few sections and I'm trailing a few tenths, then blow it all with that big slide which kills the run.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhMrO7WL8bA

Bang Me Please posted:

rear suspension status: still in one piece :thumbsup:

Ego status: shattered.

Also I love autox in the rain, its so much fun. It sucks when it happens during the last runs when you're trying to go for a best time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sngC3KuEY4

Muffinpox fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Oct 29, 2012

bsamu
Mar 11, 2006

My brother used our gopro for the dry morning, so I didn't record my best time (a blazing 77.488) but I managed to get my 4 afternoon runs as the course started to get wet.

Here's the first run as the rain was barely starting (81.143):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaO4w1HbVVM

and here's the last run (83.781):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufdBwLWqhhc

As muffinpox said, the rain was fun to drive in but it was a bit frustrating because I was trying to beat my time from the morning session.

I'll try a camera angle from inside the car next time, it'll be nice to have a wider view of the course and less wind noise.

Sadi
Jan 18, 2005
SC - Where there are more rednecks than people
S2000s look like a beast to drive on the limit. One of the guys in our region is amazing to watch. Jadruce, he's won B-Stock nationals for the past two years (last 2012 by 3 0.3 seconds). Its like he has a telepathic link to that car. Super good guy, awesome as a an instructor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuK2qcb-odQ

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
Jadrice is a good guy, stupid fast.

I think he came out to one of my first autocrosses with like 100 miles on the odometer of his CR.

TrueChaos
Nov 14, 2006




I followed Brigdh's advice, and... promptly hit cones on every run except my last. I also worked on slaloms, because Picton tends to be just about entirely slaloms. The whole smooth, turn earlier bit helped a lot - I was definitely carrying more speed. I also need to get more confident with shifting; there were at least 2 spots where I could have used third.

http://youtu.be/_zqLNa_gjUE

Run will be done uploading in about 20 minutes.

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Brigdh
Nov 23, 2007

That's not an oil leak. That's the automatic oil change and chassis protection feature.

TrueChaos posted:

I followed Brigdh's advice, and... promptly hit cones on every run except my last. I also worked on slaloms, because Picton tends to be just about entirely slaloms. The whole smooth, turn earlier bit helped a lot - I was definitely carrying more speed. I also need to get more confident with shifting; there were at least 2 spots where I could have used third.

http://youtu.be/_zqLNa_gjUE

Run will be done uploading in about 20 minutes.

Looking good :)

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