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He's a Daemon Primarch. He's basically the closest thing to a literal physical incarnation of a god in 40k.
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You should go read The Emperor's Gift. The battle against war incarnate was quite a thing.
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Oct 16, 2012 01:00
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buyers remorse posted:I have a bit of a question for those of you who are a bit more experienced with this literature and the whole "40k Universe" than I am, and apologize in advance if this has been discussed before. (A short perusal of this thread did not get me any results, but they might be there and I didn't spend enough time) Also there was a fun comic about a marine's lost bolter floating around somewhere.
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Oct 16, 2012 01:08
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EyeRChris posted:Just finished the battle of the fang. I thought it was a pretty good book. Only thing that left me wondering at the end of it was... He's Magnus and at that stage, probably ascended at least partially to deamonhood. The known galaxy has one psyker known to be more powerful than him and that is the Emperor. Didn't Magnus crunch a titan at some stage as well, with just his mind?
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Oct 16, 2012 04:46
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EyeRChris posted:For the love of the Emporer what does it take to bring him down? Do they need to fire Pariahs with melta charges strapped over 90% of their body at him at this point? Pretty much, it took a similar amount of firepower (and specifically designed chaos killing firepower) to kill Angron on Armageddon.
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Oct 16, 2012 08:09
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Warhammer Fantasy chat incoming. Just finished reading Heldenhammer and it was terrible, It was just an endless list of battles which boil down to and then Sigmar fought this group and then Sigmar fought the other group and then Sigmar fought some orcs. Really the characters were flat, the world building non existent (which is presumably what you want from a prequel) and there was not even any good
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Oct 16, 2012 08:41
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EyeRChris posted:Do they need to fire Pariahs with melta charges strapped over 90% of their body at him at this point? Yeah, basically. It took over 100 grey knights sacrificing themselves to banish Angron back to the warp. So yeah, self destructing pariahs, psymatrix armed psykers, 6 of one, half dozen of the other
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Oct 16, 2012 08:58
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Ferrosol posted:Warhammer Fantasy chat incoming. The Sigmar trilogy is pretty bad. It doesn't even really reveal anything about his godhood.
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Oct 16, 2012 09:12
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On the topic of machine spirits, the actual, working ones (as opposed to the souls the AdMech believe to inhabit every machine) are the product of an interesting bit of loophole abuse. They're basically AIs, yes, but they have just enough organic components to circumvent the ban on machine intelligences. A good way to think of them is as servitors designed for thinking.
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Oct 16, 2012 11:54
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I've never seen them mentioned as being organic in any way, but I have seen things mention that as long as it's not human-level intelligence it's okay. Same reason why Warhounds are mentioned as being like hunting dogs and Warlords like Bears.
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Oct 16, 2012 12:15
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Arquinsiel posted:I've never seen them mentioned as being organic in any way, but I have seen things mention that as long as it's not human-level intelligence it's okay. Same reason why Warhounds are mentioned as being like hunting dogs and Warlords like Bears. I believe the Forge World books and some vehicle wargear descriptions in the codexes mention it.
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Oct 16, 2012 12:30
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Darth Walrus posted:On the topic of machine spirits, the actual, working ones (as opposed to the souls the AdMech believe to inhabit every machine) are the product of an interesting bit of loophole abuse. They're basically AIs, yes, but they have just enough organic components to circumvent the ban on machine intelligences. A good way to think of them is as servitors designed for thinking. No -- as far as I know, the "actual" machine spirits such as those you'd find in starships and titans don't have any organic components. They're just not intelligent enough to count as AI. The type of AI forbidden by by the Emperor/AdMech is the Kaban machine, HAL-9000 "have a conversation with you" kind.
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Oct 16, 2012 14:23
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The ban is on AI that emulates human intelligence I think, which is why titan AIs are modelled on certain types of animal.
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Oct 16, 2012 14:45
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:The ban is on AI that emulates human intelligence I think, which is why titan AIs are modelled on certain types of animal. I think AI in the way we know it is suppose to be okay so long as has organic/human components and therefore a soul. You could in theory have two machines running the same 'AI' program with one machine having to need organic components and another without with the organic one being acceptable to Mars (a Imperial robot has a human level of intelligence but is deemed okay because it contains organic components and thus a 'soul' despite the fact that you could put the same program in a non organic machine). I also remember there was a comic about a Warlord Titan that had the Titan itself being a 'real' character to the Princeps controlling it. It wasn't some kind of illusion or psychic feedback but I think it was suppose to be an actual computer AI composed of all of the titan's programs and software.
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Oct 16, 2012 15:39
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Just go read "The Kaban Project" in Shadows of Treachery. It describes exactly what kind of AI is banned and why. It has more to do with having a consciousness and self-realization than "organic components".
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Oct 16, 2012 16:40
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I've been rereading Gaunt's Ghosts and came upon something that doesn't quite connect in Salvation's Reach. The Dalin and Yoncy thing was confirmed AFAIK as a nod to the typo of Yoncy being a boy but what about the bits about Lord Chass and Vervunhive? The way they speak about Chass implies that he's alive when everything in Necropolis tends to pile on that he's wounded fatally and later, dead. Merity Chass is still heir too. Furthermore, there's mention of a Hess West sector and multiple statues of Gaunt, which makes me wonder if that's a typo or if that's just one of the new hives built to replace Vervunhive. It is awfully close to Hass West.
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Oct 16, 2012 18:37
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That reminds me that I need to borrow Salvation's Reach.
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Oct 16, 2012 22:28
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Arquinsiel posted:You know how you used to blow into the cart of a NES game? I believe that that was part of Damnation Crusade, a comic about Black Templars killing everything under the sun. The fluff and novels seem to (or at least used to) flip-flop a lot when it comes to the AdMech's knowledge of machines, the reality of machine spirits, etc. I like the idea of a lasgun having just enough intelligence to get mad at the guardsmen that doesn't take care of it.
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Oct 17, 2012 06:04
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Bit of an update from ADB regarding Betrayerquote:Betrayer has just hit its word count, as long as Horus Rising. One chapter left to go. Now to wait until April 
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Oct 17, 2012 07:13
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Improbable Lobster posted:I like the idea of a lasgun having just enough intelligence to get mad at the guardsmen that doesn't take care of it. Remember too that the Eldar managed to gently caress a Chaos God into existence, and while humanity doesn't have the Eldar's psychic quality, they definitely have quantity down pat. What do you think might happen when countless quintillions of fanatics, even the heretical ones, believe in the existence of machine spirits?
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Oct 17, 2012 09:43
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CommissarMega posted:Remember too that the Eldar managed to gently caress a Chaos God into existence, and while humanity doesn't have the Eldar's psychic quality, they definitely have quantity down pat. What do you think might happen when countless quintillions of fanatics, even the heretical ones, believe in the existence of machine spirits? It doesn't work that way. Not even for orks.
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Oct 17, 2012 13:45
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Nah, it's more like every chaos god embodies a number of aspects of behaviour, like Slaanesh is pleasure, decadence, passion, lust, pride, self-indulgence. The more souls doing that kind of behaviour, the stronger the god grows. In the Eldar time, they were the most numerous of all soul-bearing beings, and were quite stoic, until they went down into a gigantic orgy to empower slaanesh like never before. It's not like he was created then, but he was empowered. Same goes with Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch. They cover most prevalent things in the 40k universe: pride, war, ambition/change, life/death. With untold trillions of humans all being assholes trying to get on top, dying by the billions and fighting thousands of giant wars at the same time, the gods are pretty drat set for power. If a couple of trillion of dudes suddenly start to believe in the machine god or whatever it just means war, death and pride, so the chaos gods will like it anyhow.
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Oct 17, 2012 13:53
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Yep. Khorne didn't burst into existence because lots of people started believing in a God of War and made it so, but rather because lots of people were killing each other.
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Oct 17, 2012 14:14
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Read The Crimson Fist. Is Dorn being massively disappointed at Sigismund a retcon, or has it been established before? I'm thinking of buying a new omnibus, either Word Bearers or Iron Warriors. Which is better? I loved The First Heretic, but I'm not sure how the former holds up, and Graham McNeil is a mixed bag for me.
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Oct 17, 2012 14:25
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Yep. Khorne didn't burst into existence because lots of people started believing in a God of War and made it so, but rather because lots of people were killing each other. Also, it's implied in one of the chaos fluff sourcebooks that the origins of the chaos gods were either as weaponized warp entities created by the old ones and the eldar, or else spontaneous products of that process, followed by a massive multisided war in heaven (along with the ctan, etc.) where most of the entities killed each other, with the survivors being the gods of the eldar.
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Oct 17, 2012 14:58
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Schneider Heim posted:Read The Crimson Fist. Is Dorn being massively disappointed at Sigismund a retcon, or has it been established before? I don't believe it's a "retcon" as it's not changing established fluff -- it's just a new reveal in the backstory. Iron Warriors omnibus by a mile if you haven't already read Storm of Iron.
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Oct 17, 2012 15:04
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Schneider Heim posted:Read The Crimson Fist. Is Dorn being massively disappointed at Sigismund a retcon, or has it been established before? I wonder if that's a setup for the Black Templars' eternal crusade for penance, since Sigismund is their chapter master.
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Oct 17, 2012 17:59
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Just finished pariah. It has been so long since I had read ravenor and I had forgotten many of the characters but drat if Abnett didn't manage to make me completely fall in love with him again. You best finish the second book soon if you know whets good for you you incredible cocktease  Also my name is alpharius. This book has EVERYTHING.
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Oct 18, 2012 00:22
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Shroud posted:I wonder if that's a setup for the Black Templars' eternal crusade for penance, since Sigismund is their chapter master. Another The Crimson Fist question: What did Polux's fleet return to exactly? A Dorn-fortifed Terra?
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Oct 18, 2012 15:23
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Just started Fire Warrior, and it's a lot of fun so far. I like what Spurrier did with the video game metareality going on.
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Oct 18, 2012 20:19
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Just started Fire Warrior, and it's a lot of fun so far. I like what Spurrier did with the video game metareality going on. I've always been disappointed he stopped writing for the Black Library, his work was pretty top notch all round. Xenology's especially cool if you can get hold of it.
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Oct 18, 2012 20:50
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Mowglis Haircut posted:I've always been disappointed he stopped writing for the Black Library, his work was pretty top notch all round. Xenology's especially cool if you can get hold of it. Cheapest copy on amazon is $98 
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Oct 18, 2012 20:53
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It's available print-on-demand at Black Library isn't it?
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Oct 18, 2012 20:55
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:It's available print-on-demand at Black Library isn't it? Pff. If I can't stare at it lovingly on my bookshelf, what's the point?
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Oct 18, 2012 21:02
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Pff. If I can't stare at it lovingly on my bookshelf, what's the point? Looking at it right now. Heh  Though at some point I'm selling the hell out of my BL stuff, I've got Sabbat Crusade book, some Fantasy battles book, Xenology, stacks of White Dwarfs, and a Collected Visions copy. Some of those go for...silly amounts on eBay. I'll hit up SA Mart first when I do.
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Mowglis Haircut posted:Looking at it right now. Heh PM me if you decide to sell Xenology.
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Oct 19, 2012 05:11
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Mikojan posted:Just finished pariah. gently caress it, gonna drop the current book and get into Pariah this weekend then. Not BL/GW but reading Embedded also by Dan Abnett, not quite getting the same vibes from it as the Eisenhorn/Ravenor/Gaunts brilliance.
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Oct 19, 2012 07:50
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Oct 19, 2012 18:20
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Yeah I can't say I was taken with his non-BL fiction.
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I really enjoyed Embedded, even though the ending was "boom Abnett!". It really was proper oldschool "how will <x future tech> change society?" sci-fi and not just bolter porn.
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