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I loved this issue of Action as well, the Superman saves in this series continue to warm the heart. Just a question though, was it ever said what city Orion was killed in in Final Crisis #1? I only ask because of Perry White's line "what's next, a dead god in Cleveland?" I'm probably reading too much into it, but I wouldn't put it past Morrison to have a little reference like that. Probably just me though.
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Seconding Ben Oliver. He gave the pages a timeless feeling that sold every emotional beat. I'll admit that having Superman's debut be connected in any way, shape, or form to another God drat helicopter was a bit of an eye-roller, but his in-the-papers debut came later and, I felt, had a lot more punch. Saving the life of one child where no one else could, even after his own father abandons him. Too often, superhero comics are about saving vast statistical numbers, but a hero who saves even one person's life is a hero nonetheless.
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gogisha posted:I loved this issue of Action as well, the Superman saves in this series continue to warm the heart. Just a question though, was it ever said what city Orion was killed in in Final Crisis #1? I only ask because of Perry White's line "what's next, a dead god in Cleveland?" I'm probably reading too much into it, but I wouldn't put it past Morrison to have a little reference like that. Probably just me though. Interesting, I didn't even think of Final Crisis. For some reason when I read it I automatically just thought the Cleveland remark was Morrison referencing Siegel and Shuster creating Superman in Cleveland. But I probably just thought that because of the history of Superman book I've been reading recently. Edit: In early issues of Action Comics Siegel wrote Clark working for the 'Evening News' in Cleveland. I don't know if Morrison was referencing an old story with that, but I thought it was a cool fact. horsepeen fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Sep 7, 2012 |
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Sep 7, 2012 08:50
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I just read back through the New 52 Supergirls and I noticed that the title of #6 is The End of the Beginning. Which I wouldn't have raised an eyebrow at had I not remembered that the title of #0 is of course The End of the Beginning.
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Sep 21, 2012 06:20
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Maybe the beginning has TWO ends, like a stick, or a thing with two bums?
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Sep 21, 2012 08:37
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Good news! According to Heat Vision, Morrison said at MorrisonCon that he's leaving Action Comics after issue 17, not 16. We're getting one more issue out of him than previously thought.
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Sep 29, 2012 23:20
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That's cool. Is Andy Diggle the official replacement or is that still just a rumor?
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Sep 29, 2012 23:31
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Space_Butler posted:Good news! According to Heat Vision, Morrison said at MorrisonCon that he's leaving Action Comics after issue 17, not 16. We're getting one more issue out of him than previously thought. One more issue of completely bland shite? Whoo I'm in! (and I'm a Morrison fanboy)
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Sep 30, 2012 01:20
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Shameless posted:One more issue of completely bland shite? Whoo I'm in! I can understand being underwhelmed or let down compared to what he did in All-Star Superman, but I'd really like to how how anything he's done in this run could be considered "bland" (in a real sense, without needing hyperbole). Space_Butler fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Sep 30, 2012 |
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Sep 30, 2012 01:25
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Space_Butler posted:Thanks for elaborating! Appreciate you stopping short of actually contributing with WHY you think that. It's just as good to stop in, give a thumbs down, and leave without saying why. Ok, well, let's just say that I expected a lot more from Morrison on this book, based on: a) All-Star Superman, and b) Pretty much everything else he's written for DC comics. In all they hype surrounding the Action relaunch he said he's like to concentrate on the "Springsteen" Superman, the "hero of the people". Clearly that never really happened. Honestly, it didn't. Wearing jeans and a T-Shirt and holding an industrialist over a balcony for one panel doesn't really count. From the issues we've had so far, the only stuff that's been remotely interesting is the Legion fill-in stuff and the President Superman issue (which does, being cynical, read like Grant is hastily distancing himself from what he said in Supergods) When I say "bland" I mean bland by the standards I set Grant Morrison to. When you read a G-Mo book you do go in, or at least I do, with a certain set of expectations. So far, in Action Comics, those expectations have not been met. Never mind though, we've got nobody's favourite, Andy Diggle coming on soon. I expect that will make everything better. I do genuinely love Grant Morrison's work but I'm finding his more recent stuff to be very dull. Action is workmanlike, he seems to have lost his zeal on Batman Inc. and Happy is just very blah, blah, blah. Shameless fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Sep 30, 2012 |
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Sep 30, 2012 02:08
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Shameless posted:From the issues we've had so far, the only stuff that's been remotely interesting is the Legion fill-in stuff and the President Superman issue (which does, being cynical, read like Grant is hastily distancing himself from what he said in Supergods) Interesting-- can you elaborate a little bit?
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Sep 30, 2012 02:51
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Shapiro posted:Interesting-- can you elaborate a little bit? In Supergods Morrison basically said that Siegel and Shuster got paid fair and square for Superman when they sold him to DC. They sold the rights away and they had no claim when DC made millions off him when he became a worldwide phenomenon. Which is, if he'd stuck to that opinion, fair enough. I don't happen to agree with that opinion but so what? Differences of opinion happen all the time. The fact he had a different opinion to me wouldn't necessarily make me think less of him as an artist. However, there was a bit of backlash against Morrison about this and instead of defending what he'd originally said, he did an issue of Action Comics which pretty much said DC exploited S&S and they were the big corporate bad guys. Completely contrary to what he'd written in Supergods. In a recent interview in New Statesman he sort of dismissed this by saying "Yeah, that's what I thought at the time but now I think something different". Which is nice and all but when you've said something in print it's not so easy to do a massive u-turn when popular opinion turns against you.
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Shameless posted:In a recent interview in New Statesman he sort of dismissed this by saying "Yeah, that's what I thought at the time but now I think something different". Which is nice and all but when you've said something in print it's not so easy to do a massive u-turn when popular opinion turns against you.
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I feel like Action #9 is far more condemnatory of the more recent iterations of Superman than it is of anything that had to do with Siegel/Schuster. That is to say, it's not the creators that suffered, but the dream itself, which meant that we all suffered.
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Space_Butler posted:It's not easy, but how could/should he have done it differently? I don't know but I think he should have been more honest about it. I don't think that he just had a sudden change of heart as he said he did. This is the big dark issue that's been around in comics for years and years. It's not something you just change your mind about overnight. Even if his views did change, he should have expanded on that statement rather than give a very dismissive "naw, it just proves I said something that day, you know, which either I still agree with or don’t. Why do I have to defend all of this?". Sorry Grant, if you put something like that in print, then completely contradict yourself (also in print), you kind of should have to defend your stance. I think Morrison had got so used to preaching to the choir, the people who nod enthusiatically at his every word, that he genuinely didn't expect the backlash he recieved. To the outside world at least, it looks like he did a complete U-turn when he found out that people thought less of him because of what he said. It's actually quite a childish sort of behavior. Or at least, that's how it appears to me. It's desperate repairs to the Morrison brand. Still we did get that issue of Action out of it and that is a very good comic. If a little sour tasting. Anyhow, not to continue the derail but Jamaal Thomas and David Brothers have written about this better than I can. Read those guys. http://funnybookbabylon.com/2012/09/19/i-know-i-contradicted-myself-look-i-dont-need-that-now/ http://4thletter.net/2012/09/grant-morrison-the-fan-entitlement-that-wasnt/
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Space_Butler posted:Good news! According to Heat Vision, Morrison said at MorrisonCon that he's leaving Action Comics after issue 17, not 16. We're getting one more issue out of him than previously thought. I'm only one of the guys here who talked to him about this this morning, and he was just including the #0 issue. It'll still end with Action #16. Also, Multiversity is going to be loving INSANAMAZING. Insanamazing is my new word. Also, it's 5:19 AM, Pacific. Why in the gently caress am I still up. MORRISONCON, BITCHES
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d00gZ posted:Also, it's 5:19 AM, Pacific. Why in the gently caress am I still up. MORRISONCON, BITCHES Don't drink the Kool-aid
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Action Comics #13 was so drat awesome. It simply made my day. The backup story especially made me smile. Also, I think it's time that we move Travel Foreman to the big leagues, the art was really stellar here. DC should be giving him some long-term major projects from here on out.
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The Krypto backup was so very  I'm also glad his fortress is back in the arctic.
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Yeah, that whole comic was beautifully moving. It had a real creative implementation of the Phantom Zone and a superb understanding of why Krypto is a necessary component of the Superman myth; without his dog he's truly alone. Man, I'm gonna miss Morrison on this title; is Fisch going to keep writing backups?
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I liked that they showed Superman's "blue" costume in a case in the fortress. Wonder if that was a Morrison request or not.
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Crossposting from the DC thread. According to you-know-who, at NYCC DC is going to announce the new creative team on Action Comics as Andy Diggle on writing and Tony Daniel on art. I gotta say, I didn't think this book would be on my personal chopping block so fast, but Tony Daniel's art might make me long for the wonk-eyes of Rags Morales.
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That is just the worst of all news.
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I don't think his art is that much of a problem. It is his writing that I find so uninspired. I will drop Action Comics, though, unless I am pleasantly surprised.
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I can't groan loud enough.
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Holy crap the new Superman run will be gorgeous if nothing else. http://www.comicvine.com/news/first-look-superman-13-by-lobdell-and-rocafort/145388/ edit: Wasn't there another Superman book where a machine was testing his strength? ee: Yeah All-Star. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Oct 17, 2012 |
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I really love the new Supergirl. It's been slow, but there's been more world-building in the first 13 issues of this series than almost 100 of the last one. Kara's got her own fortress of solitude now and her best friend, Silver Banshee is a really cool idea, being one of the villains from her last run. It's so well written and looks so good. Luckily, the end of the book only teases two issues for the H'El on Earth crossover. gently caress Lobdell. Issue #13 of Superman teased in the back of Supergirl is a bunch of robot tentacle porn with some new girl who looks like Starfire and Cyborg's grown-up baby. I have no idea who she is, I haven't been reading Superman RealFoxy fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Oct 17, 2012 |
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Teenage Fansub posted:Holy crap the new Superman run will be gorgeous if nothing else. Maybe you're thinking of Leo Quintum's machine in the first issue of All-Star Superman? That art is really nice; really hope the story isn't too dumb.... fuckin Lobdell.
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Superman 13 wasn't terrible, but it also wasn't better than "okay". That said, this is the best the book has looked in a long time, so it was at least pleasant to look at.
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Really? I thought it was pretty awful, personally. I mean, Clark's little hissy fit before quitting the Planet was just miserable. If it were in any way a novel observation besides "journalism is in a bad state" maybe it would be meaningful (and also if it weren't timed after Clark missed a deadline. I could whine about my boss and the state of the industry too if said boss had just chewed me out). Then the fight after that was just paced terribly. Like seriously, one of the worst I can think of in recent memory. Here's a breakdown: Superman punches the head then gets hit by the tail and then is in Ireland oh and the monster is in Ireland too because YOU SHUT THE gently caress UP THAT'S WHY and ugh it's just godawful. Like, I know a lot of people said the initial Perez run was bad, but I'd say that it was more just mediocre. Now this, this is an awful Superman book.
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I agree, pretty art bogged down by super lovely script.
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I enjoyed the story but got a weird feeling from the art, like wasn't some of Rocafort's better works. His work in issue 0 and RHATO was way superior.
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I can't stop vomiting, you guys http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=41853
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d00gZ posted:I can't stop vomiting, you guys http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=41853 It seems like something done only so Max Landis can say "I've written a Superman comic  "
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Oct 25, 2012 19:23
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Superman 13's big story point, Clark quitting, was completely uninteresting. It felt really, really forced and out of the blue. One minute Clark is having a disagreement of this stuff, but it looks like he's immediately moved on. He's more concerned about Lois. Then it gets brought up again, and he just goes off. It came off as very unbelievable.
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d00gZ posted:I can't stop vomiting, you guys http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=41853 Oh man. I wish Ryan Sook would draw... I dunno, anything else not that. e:  at this question:CBR posted:Did you grow up reading DC, or were you a Marvel zombie? Adam Strange fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Oct 25, 2012 |
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Space_Butler posted:Above all, this sounds really really pointless. An 8 page wordless story about a D-list Superman villain? Just be glad he is not directing a Superman movie when he has to save some people from Helicopters.
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When was the last time comics used thought bubbles as prominently as Superman 13? It's cool he's trying something stylistically odd and maybe with appropriately retro style art to go with it'd word better, but boy is that weird to read. e: Maybe it's how they're so fluffy and placed all over. It's kinda Garfield-ish. 
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Oct 25, 2012 19:54
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Chris Roberson used thought bubbles extensively during his half of 'Grounded' (the good half) because he wanted to show a Superman who thought his way out of problems.
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Revol posted:Superman 13's big story point, Clark quitting, was completely uninteresting. It felt really, really forced and out of the blue. One minute Clark is having a disagreement of this stuff, but it looks like he's immediately moved on. He's more concerned about Lois. Seriously. And his central point isn't even something that's being disagreed with. He brings it up, and Perry and Lois agree with him. All they say is, "Look, Kent, we have to get people to watch the news/read the paper somehow and if that means sensationalism, then oh well." Then he gets mopey over Lois (even though I thought he wasn't supposed to be into her in the new 52, but whatever, more lovely writing) and goes to his desk. Then when the owner comes up and tells him to do his job, he throws a temper-tantrum. It's supposed to seem justified because Clark's looking up real, actually important news stories instead of sensationalist headlines about, well, himself. But poo poo, it's your job to cover Superman. And it's your job specifically because Superman refuses to be interviewed by anybody but Clark Kent. So if you wanna go cover real news, maybe Superman should get a little more chatty with other reporters so Clark Kent gets freed up to go report on other poo poo. edit: Teenage Fansub posted:The first issue of Superman ends with Clark going up to Lois' room, catching her boyfriend just wearing a towel and sulks away super-hearing... Oh yeah... okay, I was wrong on that point. Redacted! TwoPair fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Oct 25, 2012 |
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