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Hmm. New HH book from Graham Mcneil coming out soon. I guess I'm hoping it'll be ok. Can't say the description has me all too hyped. Dudes are supposed to be Chaos but it sorta reads like...I dunno an average "Good guys have to hurry to save X!"quote:Perturabo – master of siegecraft, and the executioner of Olympia. Long has he lived in the shadow of his more favoured primarch brothers, frustrated by the mundane and ignominious duties which regularly fall to his Legion. When Fulgrim offers him the chance to lead an expedition in search of ancient and destructive xenos weaponry, the Iron Warriors and the Emperor’s Children unite and venture deep into the heart of the great star maelstrom that haunts Perturabo's dreams. Pursued by vengeful survivors from Isstvan V and the revenants of a dead eldar world, they must work quickly if they are to unleash the devastating power of the Angel Exterminatus! Edit - ADB's betrayer was finished Friday. Looks to be a bit bigger than Void Stalker. Can only mean  things
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Read Atlas Infernal, felt like a bizarre WH40k acid trip the whole way through. Just finished Pariah an hour ago and loved it. A bit of a different feel from the usual 40k fare, but still a fun read. Looking forward to the rest of this trilogy.
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The Rat posted:Just finished Pariah an hour ago and loved it. A bit of a different feel from the usual 40k fare, but still a fun read. I got a big Existenz vibe of Pariah halfway through. I was Actually fairly convinced the plot would turn out to be just Bequin dreaming in her coma tank. It just sounded all so surreal. I want to read more WH40K in this style.
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The way the city and its culture were described reminded me of The Lies of Locke Lamora more than anything. I wonder how much of the following books are going to be set there.
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Oct 22, 2012 13:50
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The Rat posted:Read Atlas Infernal, felt like a bizarre WH40k acid trip the whole way through. Ha, this is a good way to describe a Rob Sanders book. I wish more authors would take chances with more adventurous interpretations of the fluff like he does. I definitely recommend Legion of the Damned, though it does have a much more oppressive and nightmarish tone.
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MisterFuzzles posted:Hmm. New HH book from Graham Mcneil coming out soon. I guess I'm hoping it'll be ok. Can't say the description has me all too hyped. Dudes are supposed to be Chaos but it sorta reads like...I dunno an average "Good guys have to hurry to save X!" I like that the book is focusing on the traitor Primarchs. I think there's a cool extract out there from this that has Perturabo seeing the Emperor's Children and what they've become and being all 'wtf man'. I don't think we've had anything since Istvaan that dealt purely with the traitors. This and Betrayer having Lorgar and Angron lead me to hope we're in for some kind of hosed up grimdark buddy-movies.
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Mowglis Haircut posted:I like that the book is focusing on the traitor Primarchs. I think there's a cool extract out there from this that has Perturabo seeing the Emperor's Children and what they've become and being all 'wtf man'. I don't think we've had anything since Istvaan that dealt purely with the traitors. This and Betrayer having Lorgar and Angron lead me to hope we're in for some kind of hosed up grimdark buddy-movies. Perturabo is really funny in The Crimson Fist (the Imperial Fists/Iron Warriors story in Shadows of Treachery). An Iron Warrior comes to deliver bad news, at which point he gets mad and beats them to death with his fists. This happens about six times. It's surprising he even has any space marines left in his legion.
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I've been keeping up with ADB's facebook and blog posts, and the small quotes he's posted from Betrayer have had me going FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFf quote:"You take his honour guards," said Kharn. quote:"And what if I told you the Wolves tried to bring a Legion to heel once before? What if that Legion sent Russ and his dogs running, too ashamed to write down their defeat in Imperial archives?" It should also be noted he's loving hilarious: http://aarondembskibowden.wordpress.com/2011/08/29/aurelian-cover-art/
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Perturabo is really funny in The Crimson Fist (the Imperial Fists/Iron Warriors story in Shadows of Treachery). An Iron Warrior comes to deliver bad news, at which point he gets mad and beats them to death with his fists. This happens about six times. It's surprising he even has any space marines left in his legion. Though that Marine, Berossus, later shows up as a Dreadnought Warsmith in one of McNeil's Ultramarine books! The more you know! One question about The Crimson Fist, after Perturabo fucks up all those Fists, it mentions one of them stirring, still alive as Perturabo leaves...then nothing. What was the significance of that, if I'm missing it, or is it one of those 'you'll find out in John French's next thrilling installment' kind of things.
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Cool, looks like the HH books are now coming out in hardback. That combined with Abnett's and ADB's books also in hardback means I'm cutting down on all the pulpy trash I buy.
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ed balls balls man posted:Cool, looks like the HH books are now coming out in hardback. That combined with Abnett's and ADB's books also in hardback means I'm cutting down on all the pulpy trash I buy. I tweeted Graham McNiell about that actually, Amazon and The Book Depository have Angel Exterminatus and Betrayer up for pre-order at paperback prices, and I'd swear the blog post announcing the special hardback illustrated edition of Angel said that it'd be coming out in normal paperback soon after, rather than the usual year's gap.
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I'm about 3/4ths of the way through Pariah and I'm a bit disappointed. It's shorter than I'd expected and the text is rather large. I liked the writing style, but I guess I came into this hoping for something thematically similar to Eisenhorn. There is a distinct lack of Ravenor and Eisenhorn through this story so far, and, lets be honest, I got this book because I love those characters. I've found myself tempted to leaf through the last 4th of the book just to see if ANY character I know will show up. I'm honestly just really disappointed so far. I'll type up a legitimate review of the book after I finish reading it. Perhaps I expected it to be something it never was meant to be....but I'm just really disappointed. Waroduce fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Oct 24, 2012 |
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Waroduce posted:I'm about 3/4ths of the way through Pariah and I'm a bit disappointed. It's shorter than I'd expected and the text is rather large. I liked the writing style, but I guess I came into this hoping for something thematically similar to Eisenhorn. There is a distinct lack of Ravenor and Eisenhorn through this story so far, and, lets be honest, I got this book because I love those characters. I've found myself tempted to leaf through the last 4th of the book just to see if ANY character I know will show up. I'm honestly just really disappointed so far. I'll type up a legitimate review of the book after I finish reading it. Perhaps I expected it to be something it never was meant to be....but I'm just really disappointed. Keep going. Besides She ran into Ravenor already when the place got raided
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Yeah I'm actually quite surprised you didn't recognize that characters appearance when it happened. It was completely obvious to me.
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You have to treat the book as a prelude to ravenor vs eisenhorn. It's basically just setting up the background for the next few books. Which can't come soon enough I'd like to add. Mikojan fucked around with this message at 10:06 on Oct 24, 2012 |
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VanSandman posted:Yeah I'm actually quite surprised you didn't recognize that characters appearance when it happened. It was completely obvious to me. I did notice it, but it didn't really do anything for me. Oh she runs into Ravenor, touches the chair, and than runs through some small little alley he can't follow. That doesn't do anything for me. It was disappointing. I'm going to finish reading it later tonight or tomorrow, I just can't shake this feeling of disappointment. I really hope he doesn't messily whip out every character from the past books in the last 30/40 pages in order to attempt to salvage this. It would make a good stand alone story, but it's not Ravenor vs Eisenhorn. poo poo, neither of these guys is more than a cameo after thought for 75% of the book. I understand its setting up for the next book, but he didn't need to dedicate a whole novel I've been waiting a few years for to setting up the reincarnation of Bequin. He could have just as effectively set up the character in a more compact shorter way and than gotten onto what we, or maybe just I, want to see. Ravenor, Eisenhorn, Cherubael, the rest of the crew we know and love. The next book is 2014....I probably won't be dropping $25 on a hard cover version of it the day it comes out.
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I liked that Pariah was different, it has a nice unique style to it rather than "Eisenhorn, but with a female lead". However I think that Beta's stay in the school [mild spoilers] should have been much shorter. It's an engaging introduction to the setting, but a bit too much exposition. Speaking of characters I didn't recognize till the ending, I was kind of surprised that the sister turned out to be Patience Kys. Maybe that's because Abnett managed to describe her without using the word "voluptuous".
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Therion posted:I liked that Pariah was different, it has a nice unique style to it rather than "Eisenhorn, but with a female lead". However I think that Beta's stay in the school [mild spoilers] should have been much shorter. It's an engaging introduction to the setting, but a bit too much exposition. Kara Swole was the one always described as voluptuous
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bunnyofdoom posted:Kara Swole was the one always described as voluptuous They both were, at times.
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All of Ravenor's retinue was walking sex appeal. Hell, even whatshisname grew up to be a hunk even if Astartes aren't into that.
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Character development is 90% of his appeal coupled with the atmosphere. Apart from the direct 'fluff' denoting ugly rear end mutations and obesity (Space Captains etc) it's almost like his books take place on the hollyoaks set.
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Be interesting to see if Zael/Hyperion makes a comeback. Especially if it's needed to put down Eisenhorn and Cherubael.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Perturabo is really funny in The Crimson Fist (the Imperial Fists/Iron Warriors story in Shadows of Treachery). An Iron Warrior comes to deliver bad news, at which point he gets mad and beats them to death with his fists. This happens about six times. It's surprising he even has any space marines left in his legion. I think Perturabo got the short end of the stick in that story, he got painted as this really pathetic character with a tantrum problem. Not to mention Polux had a real chance of winning and killing him if he didn't receive that order to withdraw Anyway, on the subject of Shadows of Treachery, is Kaban Project tied or referenced to Mechanicum? It was a pretty interesting tale and got my interest piqued on the goings-on in Mars during the Heresy.
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Schneider Heim posted:I think Perturabo got the short end of the stick in that story, he got painted as this really pathetic character with a tantrum problem. Not to mention Polux had a real chance of winning and killing him if he didn't receive that order to withdraw Yes, the machine makes an appearance in Mechanicum.
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Schneider Heim posted:I think Perturabo got the short end of the stick in that story, he got painted as this really pathetic character with a tantrum problem. Not to mention Polux had a real chance of winning and killing him if he didn't receive that order to withdraw Both showcase the character flaws of their respective chapters. The Iron Warriors are siege specialists, which means that they're patient and determined to the point of fault, since they become incredibly bitter and passive-aggressive instead of actually expressing their displeasure at their role in the crusade, which eventually explodes into a bunch of tantrums. They're methodical and mechanical and thereby neglect their human side until it explodes. Perturabo is that one roommate who silently grumbles every time you don't do the dishes until one day he snaps and burns the house down. In the heresy itself, the Iron Warriors basically gently caress up on every single campaign they're on. The Imperial Fists are loyal and obedient to the point where Pollux throws away a huge potential victory and instead suffers huge avoidable fleet losses purely in his blind drive to obey as quickly as possible without thought to the circumstances. Tragically, Sigismund could have created a huge victory for the loyalists via his 'disobedience,' but ultimately due to the inflexible nature of "never tell a lie" Dorn and his Fists, his development will be retarded and he will become an even more insane, blind fanatic. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Oct 25, 2012 |
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That's the one of the things that bothered me. Here I am, a Space Marine, on track to defeat and kill a traitor primarch and his stupid fleet. Dorn can piss off. I don't care how mad he gets, I can tell him "Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of bits of Perturabo stuck in my helmet. Also, you can tell the Emperor I took care of the traitor legion that would be the most effective in breaching the Imperial Palace. You're welcome, though." The other thing has been covered before, but how in the everliving hell do the primarchs not know about the Warp and faith? Dorn gets all pissy about Sigismund staying back, which is fine regarding discipline in times of treachery, but how does he not have the slightest inclination to believe strange things can happen? Especially after he knows Horus has rebelled out of the blue, and primarchs are suddenly trying to kill each other. Then again, Dorn is the same lump that punches Garro after meeting, complimenting, and advising him previously.
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Shroud posted:That's the one of the things that bothered me. Here I am, a Space Marine, on track to defeat and kill a traitor primarch and his stupid fleet. Dorn can piss off. I don't care how mad he gets, I can tell him "Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of bits of Perturabo stuck in my helmet. Also, you can tell the Emperor I took care of the traitor legion that would be the most effective in breaching the Imperial Palace. You're welcome, though." Dorn is a massive shithead. I'm really glad he dies horribly later on.
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Shroud posted:That's the one of the things that bothered me. Here I am, a Space Marine, on track to defeat and kill a traitor primarch and his stupid fleet. Dorn can piss off. I don't care how mad he gets, I can tell him "Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of bits of Perturabo stuck in my helmet. Also, you can tell the Emperor I took care of the traitor legion that would be the most effective in breaching the Imperial Palace. You're welcome, though." Withdrawing the fleet was Pollux's decision, not Dorn's. All Dorn did was tell Pollux to get his rear end back home ASAP. In wartime, it's always up to commanders to interpret the orders given by their superiors. It wasn't a two-way message, and Dorn had no idea of the specifics of the situation. While it's implied that Sigismund would have been defeated by the Iron Warriors fleet because of his impetuousness, it can also be said that if it were Sigismund there in command, he probably would have stayed to finish the fight instead of withdrawing immediately as Pollux does, since it's clear that Sigismund is more independent and less blindly obedient than the junior commander. Additionally, the reason Sigismund gives is basically that he didn't go as he was commanded to because he thinks he'll die out there as a historical footnote and selfishly wants to be by Dorn's side to the glorious end. Even though, in hindsight, his presence and ignominious death in deep space may actually have saved much more of the fleet. And he makes this decision based on basically magic. Keep in mind that the warp is not at all trustworthy, and it's the home of the gods of chaos. The Primarchs do seem to know that the warp is home to alien and hostile intelligences. Which makes basically any suggestions from the warp untrustworthy at best. Add in the whole "imperial truth" they've been sworn to fight for and it's understandable why Dorn is angry. Not only was his son one of the first to abandon the Imperial Truth, but then the decision he makes based on the info he gains is for basically vain and selfish reasons instead of putting the good of the Imperium first. That's the whole thing about that story - at first, you're led to think that Pollux going instead of Sigismund will save the fleet, but then, as the story progresses, you realize that it may be the other way around, and Sigismund's presence might have been what was needed to save the fleet and/or successfully strike a massive victory against the rebels by crippling or killing a traitor primarch. But this outcome is derailed because of Sigismund's vanity, because although he doesn't fear death, he can't stand the thought of being blown up in a fleet action in the middle of nowhere at the start of the war instead of dying gloriously by his primarch's side at the end of the war, even though, on the long run, that fleet action might end up being strategically much more important. Dorn knew that he would need his most brilliant, experienced, and independent commanders out there handling things because they could easily be cut off from communications and left to make decisions for themselves without his guidance. He can handle poo poo on earth, and he doesn't need great commanders at home since he's there to coordinate everything. Sigismund refusing to go out even though he could do more for the war effort out there instead of by Dorn's side stuck on earth is really selfish. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Oct 25, 2012 |
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Dorn is a massive shithead. I'm really glad he dies horribly later on. It's funny, there are times when Dorn seems the most reasonable of the Primarchs, insofar as any of them are reasonable, and then he's just a complete dick for no reason to somebody. So gently caress Dorn.
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Cream_Filling posted:Withdrawing the fleet was Pollux's decision, not Dorn's. All Dorn did was tell Pollux to get his rear end back home ASAP. In wartime, it's always up to commanders to interpret the orders given by their superiors. It wasn't a two-way message, and Dorn had no idea of the specifics of the situation. While it's implied that Sigismund would have been defeated by the Iron Warriors fleet because of his impetuousness, it can also be said that if it were Sigismund there in command, he probably would have stayed to finish the fight instead of withdrawing immediately as Pollux does, since it's clear that Sigismund is more independent and less blindly obedient than the junior commander. Thanks for the response. He seems a lot more reasonable the way you tell it. I thought that the way Sigismund told Dorn about Keeler should have at least engendered *some* curiosity or investigation, though. I mean, if your favored "son" told you something like that after being solid like a rock for years and years, wouldn't someone reasonable at least wonder if there might be something going on? It's certainly Dorn's prerogative to chalk it up to selfishness/glory-hunting, but he's supposed to be super intelligent, as well as one of the more reasonable primarchs. He reaction seemed completely instinctual and off the cuff, if that makes sense. There wasn't even a moment of contemplation, or "that almost makes sense". Theoretically, he would be aware of high-level psyker abilities, which he could have assumed Keeler was using. He could have at least investigated, or had someone do it for him, while placing Sigismund on probation pending the outcome.
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Shroud posted:Thanks for the response. He seems a lot more reasonable the way you tell it. Yeah, but the key infraction here is not the source of Sigismund's information, but rather the choice he makes, based on those beliefs, to place his feelings before his duty. Note that Dorn doesn't publicly censure Sigismund in any way. All he says is that he's secretly super-disappointed. Dorn's whole credo is about total commitment and loyalty at any cost. Sigismund loves his father and just wants to stay by his side until the end. But all Dorn can see is that Sigismund is placing his love for his father before his duty to the Imperium, and Dorn is heartbroken that his son doesn't understand this when it's at the core of who Dorn is and why he does the things that he does. Despite his reputation as a blunt dickhead, Dorn is portrayed to have a rather sensitive heart - he has strong sentimental attachments to things like his foster father's old fur robe (he literally sleeps with it every night like Linus and his blanket) or the artistic masterpieces of the imperial palace - but, despite this sensitivity, his loyalty and love for his own father is so great that he is willing to sacrifice anything and everything in order to uphold his duty. Moreover, to Dorn, Sigismund's failing is rendered worse because choosing loyalty to Primarch over loyalty to the Imperium is basically what the rest of the Traitor legions have done. Clearly, this was inevitable, but the realization that his own sons are subject to this same weakness is also part of the reason for the strength of Dorn's reaction. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Oct 26, 2012 |
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Dude you're getting literature in my bolter porn. I'm not sure how this makes me feel.
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Arquinsiel posted:Dude you're getting literature in my bolter porn. I'm not sure how this makes me feel. Whaaat? How can it not give you a space boner?
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Hey, some people like their (bolter) porn with a decent narrative or story.
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I didn't realize how far behind I'd fallen with the Gaunt's Ghosts series. Grabbed the last omnibus and am devouring it now. I enjoy Abnett's descriptions of Chaos characters, and the creeping corruption that comes with it.
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Waroduce posted:I did notice it, but it didn't really do anything for me. Oh she runs into Ravenor, touches the chair, and than runs through some small little alley he can't follow. That doesn't do anything for me. It was disappointing. I'm going to finish reading it later tonight or tomorrow, I just can't shake this feeling of disappointment. I really hope he doesn't messily whip out every character from the past books in the last 30/40 pages in order to attempt to salvage this. It would make a good stand alone story, but it's not Ravenor vs Eisenhorn. poo poo, neither of these guys is more than a cameo after thought for 75% of the book. I pretty much totally agree with this. I realize it's a case of having years to anticipate something and building up an expectation, only to be disappointed when I didn't get it, but a book that's titled RAVENOR VS EISENHORN should probably have them as speaking characters in more than the last 25 or so pages of the book. If I didn't know better I'd be accusing Abnett/BL of adding that as a subtitle just to sell copies. I'm looking forward to the next one, but who knows when that'll be. I'm also glad you mentioned you found it short, I was wondering if it was just me. It felt a lot shorter than any of the volumes from Eisenhorn or Ravenor. I finished it in about a day.
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Nephilm posted:The book is titled Pariah and is part one of the Bequin trilogy. I see nothing about Ravenor vs Eisenhorn on the cover. I don't agree with Wesley Walker but to be fair... 
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