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It came from Facebook: My mom and dad know a lot of crazy Republicans, and I couldn't help posting this discussion. My dad works for the government and posted initially:   The last guy is my uncle who I've got into arguments before about how the pill is "unnatural and messes with a woman's cycle".
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Schmeichy posted:It came from Facebook: Lemon Grab is right on the money with this one with his signature catch phrase. Also, suggesting doctors chose their profession entirely because they get paid high salaries is awesome.
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Oct 26, 2012 22:24
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Parachute posted:Lemon Grab is right on the money with this one with his signature catch phrase. Also, suggesting doctors chose their profession entirely because they get paid high salaries is awesome. I couldn't even begin to respond to those commenters. What makes it worse is that I know all these people, and they all belong to the same church that my dad does. Yes, let's see... we've got gently caress the "poor", taking advantage of the dead, God apparently has a political agenda, Christians should stand by Israel, and doctors are moneygrubbers. What a fine example of Christian attitudes. The sad thing is, I know from experience that arguing by using facts is useless. The full post about doctors: "I don't need to vote against Obama for any reason but this: Obamacare will destroy healthcare in America. Why? Because doctors make money by making people better. Once they HAVE to do it, it will suck the life and inspiration out of them. America healthcare is sought after because of our FREE MARKET SOCIETY( don't call it capitalism unless your a communist!) Our current healthcare at it's worst will still provide for everyone, because someone out there who has the ability will care. Once we have to do it the doctors won't have the energy to care and only the politicians will get decent healthcare. I still need innovations in the medicine. Starting a health system that is known for its short comings is a very bad idea!" So much stupid in one post.
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Oct 26, 2012 22:35
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Schmeichy posted:FREE MARKET SOCIETY( don't call it capitalism unless your a communist!) What in the world? "Capitalism" isn't even, like, Marxist prose. It's a term everyone from every political party uses.
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Oct 26, 2012 22:44
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When all you see is House, it's not really surprising that you think that doctors need a flash of inspiration to help people, instead of just doing rote procedures
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Oct 26, 2012 22:47
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God I can't think of anything worse than a 'creative' doctor. "Hey man we're gonna try this rando treatment on you, no one's tested it yet but trust me, I've been struck by inspiration."
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Oct 26, 2012 22:48
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Countblanc posted:What in the world? "Capitalism" isn't even, like, Marxist prose. It's a term everyone from every political party uses. UGH. I think it's part of the re-branding using different language that the Republican Party likes to do? Or just stupidity. Probably stupidity. muike posted:When all you see is House, it's not really surprising that you think that doctors need a flash of inspiration to help people, instead of just doing rote procedures What's worse is that my aunt (his wife) works in healthcare.
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Oct 26, 2012 22:50
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Schmeichy posted:The full post about doctors:  But of course, that post was utterly lacking in any specifics about what's so horrible about the ACA in the first place.
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Oct 26, 2012 22:53
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Guilty Spork posted:There are just so many people our health care system has completely failed, leaving them bankrupt or just dead. I'm lucky to have a job that provides a decent health plan; when I tried to get insurance while I was freelancing it started at around $200 a month and kept rocketing up from there. American healthcare is awesome if you have unlimited funds to pay for treatment, but since I have a preexisting condition they weren't interested in getting my business at any price a normal human being can afford. The free market at work! I re-posted something from the D&D heathcare thread on Facebook, about how children already have to lawyer up to get treatment, and that less money for medicaid would lead to more sick kids. He replied something to the effect of "my wife works in a hospital and no one would refuse treatment to a kid. That wouldn't happen in the real world." Man is deluded.
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Oct 26, 2012 22:56
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Schmeichy posted:UGH. I think it's part of the re-branding using different language that the Republican Party likes to do? Or just stupidity. Probably stupidity. No, it's a rebranding thing. From Frank Luntz personally. Apparently, people respond better to "Free Market" than "Capitalism".
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Oct 27, 2012 02:16
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Sarion posted:No, it's a rebranding thing. From Frank Luntz personally. Apparently, people respond better to "Free Market" than "Capitalism". It has "free" in it, it has to be good!
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Oct 27, 2012 03:07
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Schmeichy posted:It came from Facebook: The third guy must not know that federal employees can transfer pretty easily between federal jobs for which they are qualified. Veterans get preference, and current federal employees get preference AND advance notice of new positions or even new positions created for them. That said, I doubt I'll ever apply for another federal job. My last one was the most soul-destroying poo poo carnival I've ever experienced.
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Oct 27, 2012 06:21
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VideoTapir posted:That said, I doubt I'll ever apply for another federal job. My last one was the most soul-destroying poo poo carnival I've ever experienced. My fiance has been applying for federal jobs for a year now and can't get in due to hiring constraints.
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Oct 27, 2012 06:38
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VideoTapir posted:The third guy must not know that federal employees can transfer pretty easily between federal jobs for which they are qualified. Veterans get preference, and current federal employees get preference AND advance notice of new positions or even new positions created for them. I laughed at that one. It's especially stupid if you know that my Dad was affected by the FAA furlough last year and seriously worried about losing the job he's done for almost 20 years. Mentioning downsizing is still a sore subject.
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Oct 27, 2012 07:00
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Schmeichy posted:The last guy is my uncle who I've got into arguments before about how the pill is "unnatural and messes with a woman's cycle". Well, those are both things that are literally true about the majority of hormonal contraceptives. Mostly cause it gets really expensive to extract the required compounds from horse urine, and if it didn't mess with her cycle it wouldn't work, but hey.
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Oct 27, 2012 07:13
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Sagebrush posted:Well, those are both things that are literally true about the majority of hormonal contraceptives. Mostly cause it gets really expensive to extract the required compounds from horse urine, and if it didn't mess with her cycle it wouldn't work, but hey. I looked back on Facebook, and in response to an extremely long "pro-life means you should care about the already alive" post that I made, here's the reply: "No hospitals would turn anyone away! They have charity cases they write off daily. That was part of Jessi's job for a while. And the lawyers would sue them if they didn't care for them! What we need and need to keep in this country is doctors that have the time to do research, instead of running around doing whatever the government tells them to do, because when the money runs short or the government doesn't want to deal with it no voter is going to save a life! Planned Parenthood only has one purpose. That purpose is what most doctors won't do, abortion! Womens health is not being threatened by Republicans, it's more in danger by organizations performing dangerous procedures like abortions, birth control(which messes with the natural cycle of a woman) and telling them they can do whatever they want in a disease ridden planet. Republicans say this stuff is dangerous(which it is) and they are villified!" I responded to him using a source or two, and he responded again: "You do not know that hospitals refuse patients...do you know what HIPA is? Planned Parenthood has no existence without abortion. The other services would be done by doctors who would gladly go without pay as long as they are moral. I know enough of them that would. Doctors do something unfathomable by some, and that is work more than 40 hours a week, spending more time than they have keeping people not only alive but healthy! Again, I know this personally. Another thing, I've heard lawyers say more than once 'if the jury doesn't feel sympathy for the case it won't win.' So, what I like to do is trust God and what I know to be true. Not what someone says and not what someone writes in an article(I've learned people can write about anything they want in an article, because their sources won't disagree with a story that makes them look good.) I'm glad you are using your brain. I just know too many of your comments are wrong."
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Oct 27, 2012 07:41
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At that point you just tell them to die in a car fire because nothing in the world except "what he knows to be true" will ever matter. He is the worst type of person.
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Oct 27, 2012 14:57
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I'm all for not writing someone off and arguing that you can change people's minds. But when they straight up say "I don't trust facts, because of personal experience." drop it. There's no convincing them at all.
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Oct 27, 2012 14:58
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XyloJW posted:I'm all for not writing someone off and arguing that you can change people's minds. I always let people know exactly this when I'm dropping out of similar discussions. Mainly because they definitely don't give you the same courtesy, and will often abandon the argument once they feel they are backed in to a corner. Of course, "feeling like they are backed in to a corner" is pretty much the entire issue in a nutshell - there is no corner, they just refuse to acknowledge the facts in their face.
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Oct 27, 2012 15:03
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Schmeichy posted:I looked back on Facebook, and in response to an extremely long "pro-life means you should care about the already alive" post that I made, here's the reply: Isn't this the same person who earlier said this? Schmeichy posted:I couldn't even begin to respond to those commenters. What makes it worse is that I know all these people, and they all belong to the same church that my dad does. Yes, let's see... we've got gently caress the "poor", taking advantage of the dead, God apparently has a political agenda, Christians should stand by Israel, and doctors are moneygrubbers. What a fine example of Christian attitudes. The sad thing is, I know from experience that arguing by using facts is useless. Doctors would gladly go without pay as long as they're doing the right thing! But also, they're only in it for the money.
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Oct 27, 2012 15:03
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Schmeichy posted:I looked back on Facebook, and in response to an extremely long "pro-life means you should care about the already alive" post that I made, here's the reply: Ask him how he decides "what he knows to be true"? How does he know? Did he learn it from someone else? Did he read about it? Did he eat a bowl of A-Z spaghettios and they spelled it out to him in a message from God? It's pretty obvious he is willfully ignorant and trying to paint your evidence as irrelevant. Saying "No it's not" isn't going to get you far, but if you can lead him along until he admits he uses the same sources of information as everyone else, then he'll either accept that he is being closed minded to protect his own personal beliefs that are factually wrong or he won't. I'd bank on the latter though, yeesh.
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Oct 27, 2012 15:12
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Yeah, that last exchange from the previous conversation was when I stopped responding. I got pretty offended by the "good job using your brain". Another guy in the conversation said something like that too. I got either an anti-intellectual or a misogynist vibe from it, and I knew that I was going to start posting more angrily, which I prefer not to do on Facebook or with relatives. I debated whether or not I should try to get the last word in, but I opted not to.
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Oct 27, 2012 16:52
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I found my dad watching this video, laughing up a storm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSxDE1QCHA4 I angrily pointed out how misogynistic the video was, and of course he defended it: why shouldn't someone make fun of a woman for acting a certain way? Also, he pointed out that Lena Dunham has the same last name as Obama's mom!  I just can't understand how a man who married a second-wave feminist and raised a daughter with her could be such a chauvinist. I'd say more, but I'm super-angry about it all. E: Sorry, wrong link Pththya-lyi fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Oct 27, 2012 |
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Oct 27, 2012 19:59
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Pththya-lyi posted:I found my dad watching this video, laughing up a storm: Sponge Bob is misogynistic?
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Oct 27, 2012 20:08
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Pththya-lyi posted:I found my dad watching this video, laughing up a storm: e:f;b
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Oct 27, 2012 20:08
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Sorry, that link was WAY the gently caress off. Here's the correct one again, just to make sure you don't miss the suck:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSxDE1QCHA4
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Oct 27, 2012 20:15
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Honestly not sure where to post about this, since it could probably just as easily be in the "Dittoheads" thread. On the way back from the store a little while ago, I switched over to the local right-wing station, where some guy was talking about the tax plans of Romney v. Obama. If I didn't already know which way he leaned, it became fairly obvious when he introduced a segment that he claimed had been "written by an economics professor," and then launched into the "ten men drinking beer together" FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD story. I couldn't even get through thirty seconds before I had to switch channels.
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Oct 27, 2012 20:41
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Guilty Spork posted:The people who utterly despise Obama with a side of racist kindling, aren't very subtle about it. They emphasize his middle name as though it meant something bad, or call him BHO, or get into idiotic poo poo like "Obummer." Some left-wingers call him "Obomba". Because he's bombing all those people in the Middle East and South Asia!  I try to avoid being childish in my criticism of people. There's this left-wing blogger who constantly does this, but I doubt it would be very interesting for you guys, since it's all in Hebrew. Walter posted:Honestly not sure where to post about this, since it could probably just as easily be in the "Dittoheads" thread. I was once forced to listen to right-wing talk radio when I was at a laundromat. I don't understand why more right-winged seniors don't just die of high blood pressure due to constant exposure to this angertainment.
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Oct 27, 2012 21:24
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http://www.ijreview.com/2012/10/20206-must-watch-video/ Has been doing the rounds for me. Hits all the good points. "TOO MUCH GOLF, DEFICIT, COMMUNISM, MARX, FREEDOM" Thentrots out Limbaugh and Hannity as voices of reason in a troubled world.
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Oct 27, 2012 22:37
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I got this great wall of text from a friend on Facebook:quote:From a former military friend on FB: I have a few friends who are actually smart people. They are a lot older than I am so I guess that may be why they're Republicans. Regardless, the story seems legit, but am I wrong to think that it's not the job of the Obama administration to report the news on this? Is he taking credit where it isn't due? Is he somehow taking credit for what these guys did? This just seems like some story being twisted up until it becomes more anti-Obama bullshit.
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Oct 28, 2012 18:20
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ElmerTheWasabi posted:I got this great wall of text from a friend on Facebook: I don't get the anti-Obama invective in this at all. So they weren't actually stationed there as guards? How does that hurt the administration? It sounds like he is looking for reasons to be offended by the President. Additionally your friends' retelling is also somewhat inaccurate in it's depiction. When he says this: quote:Their heroism is incredible when you consider what they were facing. Doherty and Woods reached the main compound of the Consulate and evacuated approximately 20 employees. Unfortunately, Ambassador Steven’s aide Sean Smith was already dead when they arrived. Woods and Doherty fought through the firefight, and took the consulate employees back to the annex building where again they came under another wave of attacks. It makes it sound like two men held off 200 by themselves for two hours. There's no mention of the ~60 Libyan militiamen that had helped in the rescue, or the other security personnel at the compound they were evacuated to. What about their bravery? What about the bravery of Libyan citizens who tried to rescue the Ambassador and brought him to a doctor to try and save his life? Don't all these heroes deserve to be recognized? Why is he intentionally skewing what happened to dismiss their heroic actions? Mo_Steel fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Oct 28, 2012 |
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Oct 28, 2012 18:50
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I'm very confused. Nowhere in that quote did Obama say they were part of the Ambassador's personal security. But presumably they were there as part of the security for the consulate, right? It almost sounds like the email is suggesting they were just in Libya together on vacation, and were out having a good time when poo poo went down across the street from where they were hanging out, and so they charged in to save the day since the Libyan guards were too busy pissing their pants to do anything. Maybe they really weren't supposed to be there? If so, why were they there? 
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Oct 28, 2012 20:59
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Sarion posted:I'm very confused. Nowhere in that quote did Obama say they were part of the Ambassador's personal security. But presumably they were there as part of the security for the consulate, right? It almost sounds like the email is suggesting they were just in Libya together on vacation, and were out having a good time when poo poo went down across the street from where they were hanging out, and so they charged in to save the day since the Libyan guards were too busy pissing their pants to do anything. The article states that they were both in Libya with the CIA to track down missing MANPADs. Even if that was true, I suspect a FWD:FWD:FWD email wouldn't know about it.
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Oct 28, 2012 21:24
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Oct 28, 2012 21:33
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What the hell is that supposed to even imply? Is this an MRA thing? Men with the flu have it worse than women with breast cancer?
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Oct 28, 2012 21:34
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Tigntink posted:What the hell is that supposed to even imply? Is this an MRA thing? I think it's "Women get poo poo done, men are whiny babies."
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Oct 28, 2012 21:37
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Dr Christmas posted:I think it's "Women get poo poo done, men are whiny babies." Still bad, but not as bad as I thought.
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Oct 28, 2012 21:41
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Yeah, it was posted by a Jordanian female friend of mine with the comment "Women rock!" and someone else popping in with a bizarre "Men are so whiny!" I couldn't even begin to formulate a response.
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Oct 28, 2012 21:45
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Perhaps it's a regional thing, but I thought "men get overly dramatic and whiny when they get sick" his a pretty common (old, even) joke? I've lost count of how often I've heard it in some stand-up routines.
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Sarion posted:
Maybe God told them they would be needed.   I'm confused as to why everyone thinks Obama wants to confiscate their guns.
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