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humannature posted:Does anyone run vindicators in 6th? If so, how are they doing for you? They're better now compared to 5th that they do full damage if the blast brushes a vehicle, and glancing hits don't render them useless, but are really only good in say, BA.
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Nephilm posted:They're better now compared to 5th that they do full damage if the blast brushes a vehicle, and glancing hits don't render them useless, but are really only good in say, BA. Interesting. What would you suggest taking instead of vindicators in a chaos space marine force? For a heavy support choice, obviously.
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Oct 27, 2012 06:19
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Nephilm posted:They're better now compared to 5th that they do full damage if the blast brushes a vehicle, and glancing hits don't render them useless, but are really only good in say, BA. Did you get a chance to look at the chaos dex yet? Any thoughts?
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Oct 27, 2012 06:24
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So looking at the cover of the new white dwarf I can safely say "there's my new khorne bikers" - with some conversions obviously
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Oct 27, 2012 06:30
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I haven't gotten my hammy fingers on the chaos dex yet; busy with other things.
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Asphyxious posted:Interesting. What would you suggest taking instead of vindicators in a chaos space marine force? For a heavy support choice, obviously. Autocannon havocs are probably the number 1 choice. Obliterators are still a pretty decent choice and they have an assault cannon option which adds further to their versatility.
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I'm currently running with a forgefiend, Vindicator and small Autocannon Havocs for my heavy support. All three of them are useful. The vindicator tends to get shot up a hell of a lot through.
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Hey, just played a 1k points game with a friend of mine. I proxied my CSM as thousand sons and a dark vengeance lord as ahriman to see how it worked out. Played against dark angels. My list: Ahriman 2x10 Thousand Sons (Including Sorceror) 3x1 Obliterators with Mark of Tzeentch His list: Company Master (I think, didn't really come into play) 2x5 Tactical Marines Devestator Squad with 3 Plasma cannons, 1 Missle Launcher 2 Deathwing Squads (Assault Cannon on one, Cyclone ML on the other) Razorback with twinlinked Heavy Bolters Mission was Crusade (3 Objectives) The thousand sons held their own really well and I got really good powers on ahriman, Doombolt on the mando tzeentch roll, got hemmorhage, life leech, and took the primaris power smite (Biomancy). The aspiring sorcerors both got breath of chaos which didn't see much use (Deepstriking termi squad denied the witch and nullified the one use I had for it all game). But, that drat black staff let me drop alot of firepower, I mean he was killing entire squads and he solo contested one of his objectives for the win. Infiltrate didn't work out with me, I should have outflanked instead and took my chances with the dice, I could have probably walked on the board and started slaughtering him without taking as many casualties but the job still got done. Thousand Sons: I feel even for the price, the AP 3 shooting and that +4 invul let me basically walk through fire. I was eating plasma cannon shots like it was nothing. He did a deathwing assault on one squad of tsons holding an objective, I basically about faced, set him up for a breath of chaos hit (Got denied but could have wiped out the entire unit), shredded most of the unit with fire from that squad + the 3 oblits. Then I assaulted them in the hopes of wiping them out with lucky rolls. Ended up locked in combat until turn 4 with only one of the two termis i assaulted dying before I had an oblit hop off a ruin to powerfist him. The squad was 10 man strong, down to 8 after the deathwing drop. During the assault phase, I did not lose a single thousand son to any of the guys powerfist attacks. As for ahriman's squad, they got chewed to pieces over the course of 5 turns and he rolled very lucky on his mysterious objective (scatterfield so +3 cover saves), but even so they were doing damage and were the goddamned walking dead. I'm suitably impressed enough to buy into thousand sons as a troop choice at least for casual gaming points cost be damned. Game ended with me holding one objective and having first blood, him holding one objective (second was contested) when turn 5 ended. All enemy terminators were dead thanks to the oblits, one tac squad dead (All ahriman and the thousand sons), devestator squad down to one guy (Thousand Sons), and I think his warlord was still alive and was due for dying if we had a turn 6. I lost 12 tsons (one full squad +2 casualties on squad 2), and one oblit overall. And the squad of tsons was eating devestator fire, the tactical squads fire, and the razorbacks fire. Towards the end they were eating deathwing fire as well and it still took 5 turns to whittle them down to nothing. To close up, here's the list I was thinking for 1500 points to build up to after this game. Comments would be appreciated. I'm thinking 23 scoring bodies is pretty decent (better than even chance both squads will be infiltrating/outflanking if needed), Predators bringing 6 lascannons with two of them twinlinked and helldrakes for airsupport and ground attack round it out well. Also Ahriman for dumping fucktons of biomancy related powers on people and the odd doombolt/breath of chaos/buffing himself with gifts depending on how that one roll works out. code:Viva Miriya fucked around with this message at 08:18 on Oct 27, 2012 |
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Cataphract posted:Autocannon havocs are probably the number 1 choice. Obliterators are still a pretty decent choice and they have an assault cannon option which adds further to their versatility. That's what I thought. I was hoping there would be something big, cool and tanky but I guess those are still the way to go.
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Manifest posted:What mark is the marine? Are you making fun of my entire army?  They might be shorter but they are a lot heavier.
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Oct 27, 2012 09:55
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Asphyxious posted:That's what I thought. I was hoping there would be something big, cool and tanky but I guess those are still the way to go. Predators are very cheap these days, worth a look.
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Oct 27, 2012 10:47
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Lungboy posted:Predators are very cheap these days, worth a look. Especially since they've fixed the cost of lasboat predators. Good for getting a tonne of S9 shots on the table for not a massive amount of points.
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Oct 27, 2012 10:48
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Lungboy posted:Predators are very cheap these days, worth a look. Oh hey! Predators are cool! Probably more what I'm after.
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Oct 27, 2012 11:27
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That Heldrake conversion is pretty badass Cataphract. Where'd you dig it up?
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The Gate posted:That Heldrake conversion is pretty badass Cataphract. Where'd you dig it up? I saw it at wargamerau, I think. I haven't been a fan of the model and I was searching for conversion ideas and alternatives. There was a pretty good night lords helbat I found as well. 
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Asphyxious posted:Interesting. What would you suggest taking instead of vindicators in a chaos space marine force? For a heavy support choice, obviously. Mutilators.
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Okay battlescribe dudes! I finally figured out to make a Repository, so now you can get my updates automatically without needing me to post about it each time! Add this as a Repository URL in the Manage Data button: https://dl.dropbox.com/sh/4mml9qkk21doopy/tlUHMZ662H/index.xml?dl=1 I'm trying to get the catalogue added to the randomhit main index, but we'll see if that happens.
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:Mutilators. Mutilators are elites.
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:Mutilators. Are you sure you don't mean Obliterators?
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I'm sure I meant Maulerfiends.
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Maulerfiends, mutilators, obliterators, whats the difference?
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Oct 27, 2012 16:31
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quote:Hi Rich, What type of spoiled baby needs a pram anyway right?
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Asphyxious posted:That's what I thought. I was hoping there would be something big, cool and tanky but I guess those are still the way to go. Forgefiends with hades ACs are big, cool and tanky and give you tons of S8 shots.
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:Okay battlescribe dudes! I finally figured out to make a Repository, so now you can get my updates automatically without needing me to post about it each time! I'm getting an error when I try to add this to Battlescribe mobile. Android, Battlescribe v. 1.13.00b. I just copy/ pasted your link to my 'manage data' screen just like I do with randomhit, which works. It tells me that 'there was an error' without being very helpful...
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So I built my Forgefiend last night. Still need to take pictures when I'm not prepping for this stupid omegastorm we're supposed to have, but I assembled it as a bipedal creature walking on the hind legs. Holy poo poo does it look like some horrible minigun-toting iron godzilla.  Much cooler than the centaur thing I think.....also if you turn it around you can transform it into a horrible metallic Cthulhoid beast. I'll work on that conversion for a Daemon Prince or a Defiler.
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Nephilm posted:They're better now compared to 5th that they do full damage if the blast brushes a vehicle, and glancing hits don't render them useless, but are really only good in say, BA. What about BT POMS Vindicators? A lot of points but a huge threat. Also can someone explain to me why a base chaos marine isn't more powerful (and more costly) than a base loyalist marine? Shouldn't they be getting some benefit from the power of chaos?
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So I had a game with a bunch of my friends last night, 750 points apiece, 4 players per side, for three thousand points per side total. We're slowly escalating the points as we play - we have a bunch of newer guys - and are looking into a second table to squeeze into my tiny living room, so we don't have to have so many dudes on one table. This week, I told everyone they could bring the vehicles they left at home, and this led to trouble. Per side, it broke down like this (ignoring transports, since they were all basic things like Trukks and stock Rhinos) : Side One - Ork Dreadnought, Necron Doomsday Ark, Baal Predator, SM Dreadnought, Skyray Gunship Side Two - Defiler, Helbrute, Forgefiend, Razorwing Side two was my team, and it had two Chaos players - hence the heavy focus on Chaos vehicles. Side two's Ork player didn't even bring a vehicle besides a Trukk, since he has most infantry. When I looked at the lists, I thought it was a fair setup - side one had more vehicles (and heavier ground weapons in the form of Plasma Cannons, Crisis Suits, and a Shock Attack Gun) but side two had far more boots on the ground. Side two won pretty heavily, which led to a pair of players from side one complaining that the Razorwing was 'completely OP.' Now, that Razorwing just cut through everything, man. The DE was hot with the dice tonight and every missile fired landed on target. This is a nice change for the DE player, of course, since last week his Archon took two rounds to kill a single Necron Warrior in CC, his dice were so bad. And the Necron player, this round? Failed every save, stood no one back up, and generally got pounded. I argued that the drat flyer wasn't that strong, the dice just favored us this evening, and really, it's not the strongest thing in the game. They conceded on the end of turn 4 because we were really up on kill points, but I pointed out that it would have either flown off the board or had nothing to shoot at on turn 5, because of how it flew. They argued that it was the worst loving thing ever because they couldn't shoot it down (those Plasma Cannons couldn't hit, of course, and the Necron Warriors that could have volleyed down the fighter were on the wrong side of the board) and my suggestion to, and I quote, 'ignore the loving thing and try to wipe out my last two Chaos Marines that are pinned in the middle of a goddamn field to try and catch up on kill points' was completely impossible. It was unfair, because they had no easy way to shoot it down, and only if they had flyers, would it be fair. Am I right, that that flyers are, as a rule, not that powerful, and my friend was hosed over by unfriendly dice, or did I make a mistake with adding what looked to be an entirely friendly model? TL;DR - Are flyers super OP, or what? (Errata - One of my friends on the other team - and one of the ones complaining - asked if he should bring his Stormraven, and I told him 'No, that thing is like 250 points with they way you upgrade it, there is no way in hell it is making back its points unless you get super lucky. Bring some smaller, lighter vehicles, because that would work much better than one point sink.' Now he suspects I purposely hosed him over, and not that he should have shot his Dreadnought's TL Lascannon at my Defiler with a single hull point and not the flyer.)
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Smegmalicious posted:What about BT POMS Vindicators? A lot of points but a huge threat.
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Von Humboldt posted:So I had a game with a bunch of my friends last night, 750 points apiece, 4 players per side, for three thousand points per side total. We're slowly escalating the points as we play - we have a bunch of newer guys - and are looking into a second table to squeeze into my tiny living room, so we don't have to have so many dudes on one table. This week, I told everyone they could bring the vehicles they left at home, and this led to trouble. Per side, it broke down like this (ignoring transports, since they were all basic things like Trukks and stock Rhinos) : My razorwing doesn't do anything except make his jink saves  If your army is set up in such a way that a single unit from the other side can completely wreck your poo poo, I'd be more inclined to think that the list was poo poo for not being flexible enough. Even if I don't take my 2 hydras in my IG army, I still have 2 autocannon squads, a heavy bolter squad, 2 veteran squads with 3x plasma each, and if poo poo is just going terribly wrong a grenade launcher in every normal squad (which i take at least 5 of). There's enough volume of fire that if a flyer is making me nervous or killing things, I have some options. That's not even getting into issuing orders ("Fire on my target" for twin-linked against any vehicle or monstrous creature? yes please), which can make an autocannon squad into a threat to anything airborne. I might have a different thought process though, I like to throw my whole army against smaller units and destroy them outright rather than spreading it out across the enemy and leaving survivors.
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Smegmalicious posted:What about BT POMS Vindicators? A lot of points but a huge threat. As Von Humbolt said, the power of Chaos is represented by all the available upgrades. The basic 13 point CSM is just a marine who has lost faith with the Emperor (and maybe swapped his bolter for a chainsword). Von Humboldt posted:TL;DR - Are flyers super OP, or what? Nah, you guys just got lucky, and you gave your friend some well-meaning but poor advice. The presence of that Storm Raven would have changed things greatly; in the best case, it would have dicked about and demonstrated that flyers aren't broken; in the worst case, it would have shot down the razorwing and put a dent in the rest of your vehicles. E: FWIW, my razorwing is pretty drat effective and usually survives the battle, but it usually only gets two turns of quality shooting.
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Any chaos players have some extra Forgefiend bits? Looking for the Ectoplasma cannons and the tendrils from the Maulerfiend side of the kit as well. If you're not using them and feel like parting them out please shoot me a PM here or email jcontention at gmail dot com. Thanks!
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:Okay battlescribe dudes! I finally figured out to make a Repository, so now you can get my updates automatically without needing me to post about it each time! So, is battle scribe kinda like Army bodger, but with more updates?
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Can you fire an emplaced weapon belonging to the enemy? Provided of course it's your own shooting phase and you are the only with models in b2b.
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I haven't got as much room to store as many little plastic soldiers as I used to, so I'm offloading some stuff on eBay. Here is the shameless plug for some Chaos stuff I'm selling: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110969799763?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110969804423?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110969815369?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110969810197?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Any goons interested? Also, thanks for the 6th ed CSM Battlescribe catalogue mate! You have really done a good job!
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azwethinkweizm posted:I haven't got as much room to store as many little plastic soldiers as I used to, so I'm offloading some stuff on eBay. Here is the shameless plug for some Chaos stuff I'm selling: Wow, this stuff is bananas.
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richyp posted:What type of spoiled baby needs a pram anyway right? So what'd you get? 
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:Okay battlescribe dudes! I finally figured out to make a Repository, so now you can get my updates automatically without needing me to post about it each time! Getting an error too. Here's what it throws at me: quote:Errors occurred updating data files from repositories e: This is with BattleScribe v1.13.00b adamantium|wang fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Oct 28, 2012 |
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Oct 28, 2012 00:29
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Exinos posted:Any chaos players have some extra Forgefiend bits? Looking for the Ectoplasma cannons and the tendrils from the Maulerfiend side of the kit as well. If you're not using them and feel like parting them out please shoot me a PM here or email jcontention at gmail dot com. Thanks! I'm after the ectoplasma head from a Fiend if anyone in the UK has one spare.
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I'll post a link to the actual catalogue file again when i get home, and like i said earlier, I'm trying to get this included in the official randomhit repository then the fact that i can't figure out dropbox won't matter
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Cataphract posted:I, like many people here, am not a fan of the heldrake model. But this conversion is stunning. And, a heldrake modeled like this, is something I could learn to love. I hate the Heldrake but this is rad as hell.
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