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bunnyofdoom posted:Um, isn't there only 2 books in the lost so far? Blood Pact and Salvation's reach? There has to be at least 1 more, if not 2 before the omnibus. The Lost is out in omnibus, that has Traitor General, Armour of Contempt, His Last Command and Only in Death, but you are right, the latest arc, The Victory does only have two on it. I'm wrong! So yeah more like four or five years, maybe more til that's in omnibus.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Um, isn't there only 2 books in the lost so far? Blood Pact and Salvation's reach? There has to be at least 1 more, if not 2 before the omnibus. I checked online and it's "The Lost (2009): Traitor General, His Last Command, The Armour of Contempt, and Only in Death." That leaves Iron Star, Blood Pact, Sabbat Worlds, and then Salvation as single novels. So I guess we'll see a new omnibus when Abnett finishes the new Heresy book that is coming before the new Gaunt and Pariah series book. God damnit man write faster.  -edit- efb.
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Trast posted:I checked online and it's "The Lost (2009): Traitor General, His Last Command, The Armour of Contempt, and Only in Death." That leaves Iron Star, Blood Pact, Sabbat Worlds, and then Salvation as single novels. So I guess we'll see a new omnibus when Abnett finishes the new Heresy book that is coming before the new Gaunt and Pariah series book. Iron Star is really a short story, and Sabbat worlds in a short story collection, and doesn't deal with the ghosts at al, so I would guess that neither would be in an omnibus for the Victory. However, I was wrong on the lost name for it.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Iron Star is really a short story, and Sabbat worlds in a short story collection, and doesn't deal with the ghosts at al, so I would guess that neither would be in an omnibus for the Victory. I always assumed they were full novels due to how they were listed in the wiki, my mistake.
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Azubah posted:Word of warning about Ciahphas Cain books, they very formulatic and usually take the piss out of the whole grim dark angle of the setting. I'm okay with that. I've been reading too much grimdark that I'd enjoy a 40k book that realizes how silly it is.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Iron Star is really a short story, and Sabbat worlds in a short story collection, and doesn't deal with the ghosts at al, so I would guess that neither would be in an omnibus for the Victory. But yeah, expect another 3-4 years wait depending on how fast he finishes the novels, with the last one hitting paperback within a year of the omnibus.
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Nov 5, 2012 00:50
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What's the deal with this word limit I keep hearing about anyway? The Black Library says you can't go over x length?
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VanSandman posted:What's the deal with this word limit I keep hearing about anyway? The Black Library says you can't go over x length? Well the way I see it is over the years the Black Library's page count has stayed consistent, but it's font size has not. It seems like it's publishing shorter books for more money.
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Mowglis Haircut posted:Well the way I see it is over the years the Black Library's page count has stayed consistent, but it's font size has not. It seems like it's publishing shorter books for more money. Now I don't know a massive amount about printing and publishing but I'm pretty sure that's not how it works, especially when the authors are being forced to cut down stuff they already have written to fit. On top of that Fear to Tread for a recent example has 200 pages more than Horus Rising and the exact same font size. The page length limit is stupid as hell but it's probably something to do with keeping books accessible to the kiddies.
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Fellblade posted:Now I don't know a massive amount about printing and publishing but I'm pretty sure that's not how it works, especially when the authors are being forced to cut down stuff they already have written to fit. Or just publishing costs. Here's a little informal discussion on book lengths: http://www.deanwesleysmith.com/?p=3412 http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2010/03/cmap-5-why-books-are-the-lengt.html quote:The rules differ somewhat for A-list titles (if you can order a big print run, economies of scale ensue) and Epic Fantasy, where bloat has been de rigeur ever since "The Lord of the Rings". But in general there's a harsh brake on the length of hardback SF, and it's imposed by the step-up in binding costs at one end, and the booksellers at the other. One of the large chains did a study in the early 2000s and determined that for every $1 increment above a cover price of $24, a book's sales volume fell by roughly 25%; price it at $26 and it would sell only around 60% as many copies as at the $24 price point. (The price elasticity of demand for hardback fiction falls off a cliff above the $24 point; alas, it doesn't work the other way!) For this reason, they issued a diktat: no hardcover novels would be bought at an SRP over $24 unless they were from a really big-name author. And so the publishers were caught between readers who for three decades had been trained to expect ever-longer books, and a bookseller-imposed guillotine on prices. Production costs for a book scale pretty differently based on length compared to the price per book based on length. People aren't willing to pay double for double the pages, even though it might actually cost twice as much to print, bind, and shipt it. So BL probably found (or thinks they found) some magic optimum length to maximize profits by optimizing for sales versus production costs at their desired price range. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Nov 5, 2012 |
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Just finished Path of the Renegade. It has some interesting concepts and fleshes out everyone's favorite porny space elves a bit more, but the main plot itself is a bit lacking. It also has a very weak conclusion> the books doesn't end as much as it...stops. The Night Lords books by Aaron-Dembski are a ton of fun, though. He perfectly balances rooting for the underdog, highlighting the utterly borked nature of the universe, cheering for the anti-heroes...and then blanching at the things they do all the same. The conclusion in Void Stalker is immensely satisfying. It's a pity that GW itself doesn't draw more on the fluff from BL into their gaming work.
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I've been waiting for the omnibus of Night Lords for what feels like forever now. Come on, Black Library! 
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Sephyr posted:Just finished Path of the Renegade. It has some interesting concepts and fleshes out everyone's favorite porny space elves a bit more, but the main plot itself is a bit lacking. It also has a very weak conclusion> the books doesn't end as much as it...stops. Can't wait for the second book!
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Sephyr posted:It's a pity that GW itself doesn't draw more on the fluff from BL into their gaming work.
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Finally picked up Pariah last night, only read the first 2 chapters to start with and currently really disorientated, it doesnt give a clear time-frame on where this is relative to the Eisenhorn/Ravenor books until the end of the second chapter when it references the 'cuff'. The fluff and character normally associated with DA are all there, hoping it smoothes out over the next couple of chapters into the usual :immersion:
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Emnity posted:Finally picked up Pariah last night, only read the first 2 chapters to start with and currently really disorientated, it doesnt give a clear time-frame on where this is relative to the Eisenhorn/Ravenor books until the end of the second chapter when it references the 'cuff'. Be patient. It's setting up things and gets pretty awesome.
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Arquinsiel posted:People say this, but then I suspect they haven't played much GW stuff. I actually used Gotrek and Felix back when I played Fantasy, and they were distinctly dissapointing compared to the flavour of the month. I think they just have a hard time trying to find the balance between what the character can do in the book and what the character can do in the game. Felix and Grotrek took down everything from a goblin to a Bloodthirster, it's hard to translate that into tabletop rules without the characters being overpowered or overcosted. I managed to read Pariah and I have to say I didn't enjoy it as much as I thought I would. It was a very average Abnett book but kind of disappointing as a Eisenhorn v Ravenor story. Seeing characters such as Nayl, Kara, Medea and even Alpharius were great but I went into the book expecting Eisenhorn or Ravenor as main characters Did anyone pony enough cash to read Angel Exterminatus?
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Trast posted:Be patient. It's setting up things and gets pretty awesome. To be honest, he's probably going to be disappointed just like I and several other posters were once he hits the meat of the text. I, as well as numerous others, went in expecting Ravenor and Eisenhorn, and didn't get either.
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Yea I too am extremely disappointing I didn't get to read 300 pages of Eisonhorn and Ravenor shooting at each other.
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To anyone with an Ebook copy of Angel Exterminatus: is your copy full of formatting errors? I'm only a few pages in and I'm seeing all sorts of garbled junk.
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berzerkmonkey posted:To anyone with an Ebook copy of Angel Exterminatus: is your copy full of formatting errors? I'm only a few pages in and I'm seeing all sorts of garbled junk. Everything was formatted fine on the .mobi version; I'm using a Kindle Fire.
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Polpoto posted:Everything was formatted fine on the .mobi version; I'm using a Kindle Fire.
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Mikojan posted:Yea I too am extremely disappointing I didn't get to read 300 pages of Eisonhorn and Ravenor shooting at each other. But there is no bolter porn like Inquisitor bolter porn. 
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The OP says I should read the first three Horus Heresy books, but is the op is written with someone who isn't familiar with 40k in mind, or because you have to read those books to understand what's happening in Legion or A Thousand Sons? I ask because I'm having a hell of a time staying interested in the first book, and if I can just jump to the books by the authors I like, or about the chapters I'm interested in I will. I'm pretty steeped in 40k nonsense, as I've been playing on and off since the early 90s so I know a bunch about the heresy already if that matters.
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The first three books are sequels to one another, the rest of the series is all over the place, so if you know the major plot points from the horus heresy you'll be fine. Legion is completely self contained as far as I can remember, as for a thousand sons it is twinned with prospero burns. I think PB came out first but it's the same story from either side, I'd read prospero burns first myself but I can't think of anything within the two books that makes one a sequel to the other.
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rocket_Magnet posted:The first three books are sequels to one another, the rest of the series is all over the place, so if you know the major plot points from the horus heresy you'll be fine. Legion is completely self contained as far as I can remember, as for a thousand sons it is twinned with prospero burns. I think PB came out first but it's the same story from either side, I'd read prospero burns first myself but I can't think of anything within the two books that makes one a sequel to the other. hi5 bro, I'm off to read Legion.
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The first three HH books do the bulk of the scene setting for the series. If you have a good grasp on WH40k lore you can skip them, but there's a few books that are best read in sequence. A Thousand Sons -> Prospero Burns Legion -> Know No Fear The First Heretic -> Know No Fear The First Heretic -> Aurelian Also, I don't know how ADB's take on Angron will be for Betrayer, but the short story After De'shea on Tales of Heresy (alongside Blood Games by Dan Abnett) is pretty good.
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Surely it should be Legion -> Deliberance lost? Does Know no Fear tie in to Legion in some way I havent picked up thats totally awesome? Or am I just an idiot for not picking up on something obvious?
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lenoon posted:Surely it should be Legion -> Deliberance lost? Ollanus Pious, the farmer guy, is the same type of immortal psyker that John Grammaticus is in Legion, as well as belonging to The Cabal. In fact, he even talks about knowing John Grammaticus.
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Mowglis Haircut posted:Ollanus Pious, the farmer guy, is the same type of immortal psyker that John Grammaticus is in Legion, as well as belonging to The Cabal. In fact, he even talks about knowing John Grammaticus. It's a bit more than that, they've known each other for a long, long time. The book ends with Grammaticus sending him on a mission which he reluctantly accepts. Also, Pius is the name of the terminator/marine/guardsman/whatever whose death galvanizes the Emperor into obliterating Horus.
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lenoon posted:Surely it should be Legion -> Deliberance lost? I'd never ask anyone to read a Gav Thorpe book.
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Manifest posted:The OP says I should read the first three Horus Heresy books, but is the op is written with someone who isn't familiar with 40k in mind, or because you have to read those books to understand what's happening in Legion or A Thousand Sons? If you can't stay interested in an Abnett book then good luck sticking with any of the others.
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Mowglis Haircut posted:Ollanus Pious, the farmer guy, is the same type of immortal psyker that John Grammaticus is in Legion, as well as belonging to The Cabal. In fact, he even talks about knowing John Grammaticus. Ok so legion->know no fear/deliverance lost. It's not that bad. Not great but not terrible either
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Dear Black Library Audio Division, Please inform your actors that Space Marines shouldn't sound like decrepit old British men (re: Maloghurst in Horus Rising) or generic British dock-workers (re: Tycho in Bloodspire "Roit. O'll take care uv dis!") Thank you. Sincerely, Everyone
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The only BL audiobook I've listened to was Salvation's Reach, and it has the exact amount of cheese a 40k book should have while still taking itself seriously  E: I did hope that Merrt would get killed halfway through the book because of his VA. Cat Planet fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Nov 9, 2012 |
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berzerkmonkey posted:Dear Black Library Audio Division, Maloghurst sounded like he was about to keel over and die from space asthma at all times. At least half the character voices used in the audio version were really off putting. The Eisenhorn audio short stories were a lot better for having different characters and voice actors... however I would imagine producing six hours of audio with multiple actors would be beyond what a reasonable price could cover for Horus Rising.
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It occurs to me, on reading the Horus Heresy books, that even though the Emperor is almost 40,000 years old during the Heresy, older than the Chaos Gods (is that still canon?), has seen the entirety of human existence from birth to death, again and again, even, in spite of all of this, he was a REALLY bad dad. A little bit of compassion and a hug now and again would have meant that the Heresy never happened, even if he wasn't around when his sons were growing up. Maybe it's like when you get old and you think that you're right all the time, I suppose he'd be insufferable in that regard. Or maybe it's just that hugs aren't 40k.
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Elrond Hubbard posted:It occurs to me, on reading the Horus Heresy books, that even though the Emperor is almost 40,000 years old during the Heresy, older than the Chaos Gods (is that still canon?), has seen the entirety of human existence from birth to death, again and again, even, in spite of all of this, he was a REALLY bad dad. A little bit of compassion and a hug now and again would have meant that the Heresy never happened, even if he wasn't around when his sons were growing up. No according to the Chaos gods, it was all part of the plan to enable him to ascend to godhood. See the False Gods book. That book really fascinated me, because I got the impression that the chaos gods turned Horus by showing him the real future, but left out the part where its his doing. And so Horus betrays the Emperor to prevent it, the Cabal tells Alpharius/Omegon that the gods are showing Horus "truth cloaked in falsehoods".
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Demiurge4 posted:No according to the Chaos gods, it was all part of the plan to enable him to ascend to godhood. See the False Gods book. I felt that was a very clever twist as well, a decent take on the whole "bring about the prophecy you fear" theme otherwise known as the Anakin-Padmé Gambit.  It also implies that the utterly borked but still IoM-dominated state of the 40K universe was their end goal all along, though that's probably reading way too much into it.
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Elrond Hubbard posted:It occurs to me, on reading the Horus Heresy books, that even though the Emperor is almost 40,000 years old during the Heresy, older than the Chaos Gods (is that still canon?), has seen the entirety of human existence from birth to death, again and again, even, in spite of all of this, he was a REALLY bad dad. A little bit of compassion and a hug now and again would have meant that the Heresy never happened, even if he wasn't around when his sons were growing up. The Emperor isn't just a bad dad, he's a really bad savior, too. His grand master plan to keep humanity from falling under the sway of Chaos seems to have amounted to 'prohibition, ignorance, and xenophobia' which even I, with the benefit of about 28 fewer millennia of human history to look back on, could have told you was a horrible idea. He's a very Old Testament sort of leader, which actually makes sense given the (if it's still canon) story of his origin as the product of prehistoric tribal shamans. Still doesn't explain why he didn't learn anything since then though. JerryLee fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Nov 11, 2012 |
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